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WCHA 2023-2024 Calamity Or Calmness?

Murphy was skating with her head down. Bowlby was rushing out to cover the d and it was kind of a random collision. I believe if Murphy has her head up she avoids the situation.

You are 100% wrong. Murphy was trying to control the puck. If we're going to make it so that doing so mitigates dirty play, then I'm no longer interested in watching hockey. And it was a dirty play. Bowlby was not just skating out to the defenseman. She alters her line in order to make contact, and throws her shoulder into Murphy's head.

That you are making excuses for this is disappointing.
 
FiveHole may be right that it's another teams strategy to take out the oppositions best player but would a WCHA coach really try to injure a player? I have serious doubts about that.

Well, we have the example of Eric Means, so it has definitely happened. That said, I don't think Brian Idalski ever said, "Hey, go out and hit Murphy in the head as hard as you can to injure her." But a lot of coaches around the WCHA, and this very much includes Nadine Muzerall, have told their teams to go out and hit Murphy in ways that violate the rules as written, as often as possible, confident that they won't get penalized enough for it not to help them win games. And if that's the way that teams consistently play against her, it's inevitable that the line will be crossed and she does get injured. That it was Idalski's team that finally did so doesn't surprise me, but this is the risk that all of them were taking.
 
You are 100% wrong. Murphy was trying to control the puck. If we're going to make it so that doing so mitigates dirty play, then I'm no longer interested in watching hockey. And it was a dirty play. Bowlby was not just skating out to the defenseman. She alters her line in order to make contact, and throws her shoulder into Murphy's head.

That you are making excuses for this is disappointing.

I only have 1 grainy view on the Tweeder to look while I was on the elliptical this am and have since looked at it several times more. You are probably correct that Murphy does not have complete control of the biscuit hence her head is down, so she really can't brace herself for the contact. I don't see Bowlby's direction change from the angle I saw, but Bowlby's head is up and she made no effort to avoid the collision. She does appear to push her right arm out as they disengage. I agree this kind of contact is really bad for the game and the 5 was warranted, with a loss of another game or 2. I hope Murphy is ok.

Her reputation does her no good sadly. I recall her getting hit in a game, going down like she was shot, then get up with a big grin on her face and skate to the bench like nothing ever happened.
 
I still don't think a coach would tell players to target and hit a particular play with intent to injure. The players who play aggressively get hit because opponent adapt to play against them the same way. A coach in that circumstance would say that's just hockey! Murphy has the appearance of being singled out but that may not really be the case because she's the most aggressive player on the roster and gets reciprocated. I've heard a number of people say Murphy plays dirty but you could also say she maximizes her game by playing more like the men do.
 
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#18 has been a topic of discussion between Gopher posters for a couple of years and not in a good way. Her play this year is still gritty and aggressive but to myself, and I think others have said the same, she has toned down some of the shenanigans. Regardless, no women's hockey player should be "targeted" just because they get under the skin of the opposing team. I don't watch women's hockey to see that $&#@. Get back at her by, first of all, beating the Gophers on the scoreboard and maybe as an alternative, assign your best defensive player or line to shadow her and her linemates and get them off their game by taking away time and space. Not easy to do within the rules and maybe it can only be done with teams that have a lot of depth but that is a way to frustrate them.
 
Congratulations, Greg Shepherd. You've been complicit in creating an environment in which it's open season on Abbey Murphy. You have refused to hold your referees accountable for not calling penalties committed against her. Yes, she commits a lot of penalties herself, and it's justified that they are called on her. But they have to be called both ways, and your employees have conspicuously failed to do so.

Tonight, it produced exactly the outcome anyone who was paying attention knew it would.

With five minutes left in regulation, Klara Hymlarova slew footed Murphy into the boards. It should have been a major penalty, but it ended up being coincidental minors, since Ella Huber picked up a penalty for coming to Murphy's defense. In fairness, Huber earned her two minutes, but if the referees would ever do their jobs, she wouldn't have had to.

With fifteen seconds left, C.C. Bowlby drove her shoulder through Murphy's head on a face off play. Finally, finally, the refs called a major penalty. But it's too late. Murphy likely has a concussion. This could have been prevented, if your operation wasn't grossly negligent.

I blame Hymlarova. I blame Bowlsby. I blame goon coaches like Brian Idalski. I blame Tyler Olsen and Glendon Seal. But, in the end, this is on you. You are the one who has the job of making sure that the rules are followed and that the game is as safe as hockey can be. You have manifestly failed to do your job.

This isn't new. It's been obvious for years that you instruct the officials you lead not to call the game as they have been instructed to do by the NCAA. That you think that this is what you should do is an indication that you are unfit to hold the position that you do. You are one of the most useless ************* in the entire sport of hockey. The WCHA needs to fire you and start over.
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This is effectively the opinion of one that has 'tunneler' vision. Murphy is a diving machine. I've watched dozens of games - half of those live - and if she wasn't a diver, I'd be a fan. The reality is she could play international men's soccer she's dives so well. She has truly earned Oscar's for her performances.

That being said.. if the officiating in the WCHA were truly doing their jobs, she would've collected a few unsportsmanlike conduct penalties earlier in her career and perhaps it would've taken away this part of her 'game'. That's just my opinion. And yes - she is an incredibly talented hockey player.
 
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To the "flipper" poster who has an obvious axe to grind. Those plays mentioned by Still Eyeore were not "flips".

And to add to Still Eyeore's correct assesement of what went down with some questions. Is this what fans want to happen in women's hockey? Men's hockey goonery? Take out the opposition's best player because she is frustrating to play against? I don't care how frustrating #18 is to play against. those two plays were uncalled for. Love her or hate her, she is one of these most talented players to watch and the women's game needs to have that kind of talent on display. Not being taken out by goon tactics of the opposition team.

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Watch the game again. Watch Murphy take her own cheap shots. I don't think there's anyone disputing her talent, and I don't think anyone would ever say the women's game should have that component of the men's game. But there is nastiness - and it's D1 players out there competing. The trash-talking, the pushing the envelope on contact, being chippy, cheap shots on goalies.. and yes - diving.

I for one don't believe Idalski (or any other coach in the league) would ever in any way infer to his/her team that an opposing player should be injured to help the cause. Just my opinion.
 
I for one don't believe Idalski (or any other coach in the league) would ever in any way infer to his/her team that an opposing player should be injured to help the cause. Just my opinion.

In assessing Brian Idalski's penchant for goon hockey, I have two words: "Sam LaShomb."
 
Also, we need to talk about the St Cloud play-by-play guy. I screwed up Madeline Wethington's name once. He found 4-5 different ways to mispronounce it in one game, including both "Witherspoon" and "Wetherspoon." I'm still trying to figure out who Peyton Kemp is.

Oddly, he did fine when he was talking about Audrey.
 
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Someone please explain to me how you can call a minor penalty on the ice, go to review to see if it should have been called a major, declare that there is no video of the play . . . and change it to a major.
 
Someone please explain to me how you can call a minor penalty on the ice, go to review to see if it should have been called a major, declare that there is no video of the play . . . and change it to a major.

My friend who is at the game texted me to ask how Murphy didn't get ejected for slashing Curl in the head behind the play, so (shrug)
 
I'm also pretty sure that they got the rule wrong, and that Wethington should have gotten out of the box when Wisconsin scored their 4-on-3 goal. The relevant bit of the rule book is:

16.2 Short-Handed - If the opposing team scores a goal while a team is shorthanded by one or more minor penalties, the short-handed team shall be permitted to replace immediately on the ice the player whose minor or bench minor penalty caused the team to be short-handed, except when a goal is scored on a penalty shot.

Note: Short-handed means that the team must be below the numerical strength of its opponent on the ice at the time the goal is scored. The minor penalty that terminates automatically is the one that causes the team scored against to be short-handed. A minor penalty shall not terminate as a result of a penalty-shot goal.

If a short-handed team is scored upon while serving a major and a noncoincidental minor penalty (two different players), the minor penalty shall terminate.

When the minor penalties of two players of the same team terminate at the same time, the captain of that team shall designate to the referee which of the players shall return to the ice first and the referee shall instruct the penalty timekeeper accordingly

I've quoted all of 16.2. I've bolded the relevant portion for this case. What's important is that they are not using "noncoincidental" to mean a minor penalty called on each team at the same time. By saying "two different players", it's clear that they mean that a major and minor were not called on a single player.

The last 1:05 of Wethington's penalty should have been wiped out.
 
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My friend who is at the game texted me to ask how Murphy didn't get ejected for slashing Curl in the head behind the play, so (shrug)

I didn't see it, so I couldn't say whether or not it was deserved. And Big Ten Plus never showed it at all, live or on replay. I'm just wondering how you can go to video review, and then change your call based upon no video.
 
I'm also pretty sure that they got the rule wrong, and that Wethington should have gotten out of the box when Wisconsin scored their 4-on-3 goal. The relevant bit of the rule book is:



I've quoted all of 16.2. Italics in the original. I've bolded the relevant portion for this case. What's important is that they are not using "noncoincidental" to mean a minor penalty called on each team at the same time. By saying "two different players", it's clear that they mean that a major and minor were not called on a single player.

The last 1:05 of Wethington's penalty should have been wiped out.

The Gophers weren't "short-handed by a minor penalty". Coincidental minors had it 4-on-4, and then the Gophers became shorthanded because of a major penalty.
 
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