PullTheGoalie
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I'm liking the idea of a Cav/JD/Ayers staff. Any other tandem ideas?
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Boston College hockey 2021-2022
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Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
No chance it'll ever happen. Putting aside my own personal feelings, any one of these three guys would want the top job to themselves, and each has an argument that favors them for the job. Forrest has advanced the furthest of the bunch, Ayers is arguably the top choice from the leftover York staff, and Luce is already running a D-1 program. If Ayers (least probable top HC candidate) were selected, why do the other two come to work under him? If Forrest gets the job, why would Luce leave to assist him? And should Luce get the nod, why does Forrest want to take a step down AND a pay cut? The only guy who might choose to stay is Ayers, who would presumably be status quo. Luce probably wouldn't want to bring in either of those two on his staff, were he allowed the choice, but I suspect Luce would accept any terms BC insisted upon just to get the job, even if it meant that he'd have to hire Jack Parker and Mike Eruzione as his assistants. #desperatetimes
I don't think Forrest would go from HC in AHL to assistant at BC. If he's coming back it would be for the HC position.
Ok but then do you pay each guy the same? Doubt any program would do that and there has to be someone who makes final decisions unless they do rock, paper, scissors behind the bench.
BCeagle
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Have you been to Yost ? That hasn't hurt Michigan's recruiting over the years and they came back strong this year and how do you explain them getting Berniers ? Though I admit it's by accident when HU decided to have no hockey due to the pandemic
Split-N
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Your friends over on Huntington Ave. have an almost identical situation with Matthews although women's hoops doesn't play many games there. NU has done a nice job over the years modernizing Matthews but there's only so far you can go with a 103-yo facility. There's been talk about expanding the building footprint to include space for hockey and hoops practice facilities plus some creature comforts but the city hasn't exactly been accommodating and that's before the historic preservation people get involved.
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I seriously doubt a school like BC would be the first to do it but maybe it would be a good experiment at a lower level program perhaps in the AHC. If it works there it could expand.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Someone has to have the final say, so ultimately it's unworkable. If you have two guys in charge ... well, it's like the saying in the NFL, if you have two starting QB's, then you have no starting QB. Think about it ... if your two guys disagree during the flow of the game, how do you hash that out in real time? If the two HC's disagree about program-wide issues, yeah, maybe the AD can become your tiebreaker, but that's going to get really old, really quickly for the AD. Also ... why would someone who aspires to be an HC ever want to share that role in the first place?
I can see some small-time program trying something like this out in a unique situation with two rising AC's, but why would an elite program like BC even consider it?
There are lots of reasons this hasn't been tried - often, if at all - at high level competitive sports.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Sounds like why with gay couples, one is always the pitcher and one is always the catcher…. Though both love to get a bj
Thanks. And even then BC is a P5 school so not exactly the same situation as NU but I can certainly understand NU looking to improve facilities.
Retirement press conference at 11. Being carried by NESN and streamed on BC hockey twitter. The national coaches convention is this week. One thing I don't have a great handle on is what programs do if hiring someone from USHL/AHL as those seasons are still going on. If that's a hurdle and you want someone in place I suppose that increases the chances that it's going to be Cav. I'm guessing the party line from York today will be that it's Kraft's decision and he's just there to offer an opinion if Kraft wants it (which he obviously should).
Maybe a BU fan recalls how this went down when they hired Quinn.
Maybe a BU fan recalls how this went down when they hired Quinn.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
I never cease to be amazed at the accrued knowledge on this board. And on a York/BC thread yet.
I'll just have to take your word for it ...
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
UNH got more than "just here to offer an opinion" from Umile, and look where they are now as a result. UMaine did it the right way. York is a great coach who knew enough to stay in his lane, and let others do their jobs. If your AD wants to use him as a resource on how things used to work with Luce, then no harm there. Somehow, I doubt York would want to choose between his various assistants over the years, even if asked. You guys certainly don't need a reminder what happened when the last retiring long-term BC Hockey coach had some say over his replacement ...
theprofromdover
The Original Dope Detector
They’re not interviewing anyone until after the meetings.
Yep. What a stiff (yes I know he's a man of the cloth). Jack Dunn said "on behalf of Fr. Leahy". Thankfully Fr. Leahy was not at BC when York was hired and Fr. Monan finally decided to pull the trigger on Jerry.
theprofromdover
The Original Dope Detector
Leahy didn’t show for the jerry’s 1,000 win either. I haven’t made a contribution since.
York mentioned he was approached two times about coaching in NHL. Both times were when guys he coached were in mgmt positions. Dave Taylor with the Kings and George McPhee with the Capitals. Taylor was hired in '97 and the coaching vacancy didn't come until '99. I have to believe that was the timing on that one. Before he even won his first title at BC. York stayed at BC and Andy Murray got the job in LA.
McPhee was also in charge of the Capitals in '97. They went to Cup finals that year under Ron Wilson. The job didn't open till 2002 where the job went to Bruce Cassidy (York tried to recruit him to Bowling Green) who only lasted over a year. The Caps had a few openings during McPhee's tenure but 2002 would have been first time McPhee would have approached York about the job. McPhee was in charge till 2014 and they went through 5 coaches in his tenure.
With that and the Mike Milbury fiasco, oh how things could have ended so differently.
McPhee was also in charge of the Capitals in '97. They went to Cup finals that year under Ron Wilson. The job didn't open till 2002 where the job went to Bruce Cassidy (York tried to recruit him to Bowling Green) who only lasted over a year. The Caps had a few openings during McPhee's tenure but 2002 would have been first time McPhee would have approached York about the job. McPhee was in charge till 2014 and they went through 5 coaches in his tenure.
With that and the Mike Milbury fiasco, oh how things could have ended so differently.