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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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St. Clown said:
If The Government is the supreme authority on all things, no part of it can be shown to have failed in any manner and maintain their cloak of perfection and absolute authority. So in short, what Fade said.
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Right, but that's not Eastern face, it's Primate totalitarianism.
 
I think we need to make one very important differentiation. The report released this weekend suggested that the origins of Covid were 100% natural (in fact, they go on to say there is zero evidence whatsoever suggesting gain of function research was happening, or that the virus itself was actively modified), but that it was collected and then, due to incompetence, poor safety protocols or poor adherence, it got out. It's even less likely that they knew what it was and purposefully released it, because why would they release that right at home when they could just bring it to NYC and release it?


Anyway, I fully expect that distinction - which is incredibly important - to be ignored by a large percentage of our population.
 
Yeah, as an epi person that distinction drives me nuts. People think lab leak means engineered. It means leak.

The Chinese labs are known to have researched coronaviruses, esp post SARS. A leak doesn’t mean malicious intent
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Yeah, as an epi person that distinction drives me nuts. People think lab leak means engineered. It means leak.

The Chinese labs are known to have researched coronaviruses, esp post SARS. A leak doesn’t mean malicious intent
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If your life has been impacted by COVID do you really care that much whether it was malice or incompetence? I do feel for Biden on this one as it puts him in a tough spot.
 
Also, some other things to note. The report specifically calls out its own low confidence in the findings and cites several other conflicting reports. This was basically a report saying "yeah, we'll never really know. Here's one possibility that's as likely as all these others".


And keep in mind that any time a virus is allowed to grow and reproduce, it can mutate. Whether that is in a damn petri dish, a wet market area, or, ya know, an out of control pandemic. This is kind of that observers paradox in a way. But that doesn't mean we're actively aiding the mutation.
 
Drew S. said:
I mean you are highly educated and work in the medical field. I’m talking the ‘average person.’
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It's not about education, it's about perspective and state of mind.


Would you be more or less mad if a family member was murdered in a targeted way or if they were wiped out by a car in an accident?
 
Swansong said:
It's not about education, it's about perspective and state of mind.


Would you be more or less mad if a family member was murdered in a targeted way or if they were wiped out by a car in an accident?
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I assume if they were murdered in a targeted way they wronged someone in some way whereas if it was an ‘accident’ someone was being careless or reckless. I think for me the murder would be easier but it would depend on the exact circumstances.
 
I assume their goal is to "prove" it came from a lab. Which seems like a self-own in the making considering how many times Trump praised China for its handling of the virus.
 
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Drew S. said:
I assume if they were murdered in a targeted way they wronged someone in some way whereas if it was an ‘accident’ someone was being careless or reckless. I think for me the murder would be easier but it would depend on the exact circumstances.
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Drew as usual bringing both barrels of stupid, starting with, “If your life has been impacted….” Name one person whose life has not been impacted.

Forget targeted killing - would you be more angry if a loved one were randomly killed by a serial killer or in a car accident? How about a drunk driver vs someone who hydroplaned? A distracted driver vs a driver who swerved to avoid running over a small child?

intent always matters. Pretending that it doesn’t in this one narrow situation is dumber than my 3 year old telling me that she’s not pretending to be Elsa, that she’s Elsa “for real.” Sure, kid. Sure, Drew.
 
It’s been over a year since I’ve lost partial sense of smell from this ****ing virus. Fortunately(?) I can still smell most noxious things, so safety is less compromised. Still, I’d tend to think that an ability to smell more scents is better than my overly heightened ability to smell the gasoline in my snowblower.
 
Nate Silver has become unbearable the last two days. I thought it was bad when he decided to become an epidemiologist because he decided since he knows political statistics he could also be an expert in public health, but he’s broken the scales on comparison to that.

Despite a low confidence rating from the Energy Drpartment and four other agencies saying they believe it was zoonotic (also with low confidence), he’s gone on what can be best described as a 48 hour binge to “own the libs.” It’s astounding what data he’s willing to ignore to try to argue that others are ignoring data.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
Nate Silver has become unbearable the last two days. I thought it was bad when he decided to become an epidemiologist because he decided since he knows political statistics he could also be an expert in public health, but he’s broken the scales on comparison to that.

Despite a low confidence rating from the Energy Drpartment and four other agencies saying they believe it was zoonotic (also with low confidence), he’s gone on what can be best described as a 48 hour binge to “own the libs.” It’s astounding what data he’s willing to ignore to try to argue that others are ignoring data.
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Isn't his beef this: Early in 2020 all these top scientists signed onto an article that basically said, with a high degree of confidence, that the virus likely originated in the natural world as opposed to a lab. Using that article, the media labeled all lab origination claims as conspiracies. Now, it's discovered that the scientists who signed onto the article were, at the time, themselves concerned about the possibility that it originated in a lab? Isn't that basically what he is complaining about?
 
Do you understand the meaning of the word "likely"?

And, by the way, the conspiracies are that it was being manipulated in a lab to use as a biological weapon, and escaped.

I don't think anyone has ever dismissed outright that it could have been of natural origin, being researched in a lab, and somehow contaminated or otherwise made it's way outside the lab.

But you do you.
 
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