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117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

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dxmnkd316 said:
It'll be curious to see how that would work. Especially for drivers who cross state lines frequently. Or infrequently for that matter. I suppose it would be no different than income taxes. Report how much time you spent in the various states just like income.

Eh. We've got time
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Some states are kicking around mileage based taxes in lieu of gas taxes. I believe Oregon and Colorado have pilot programs and Illinois floated the idea before it got shot down faster than a frat boy in Wigleyville.

If I remember correctly, all the plans adopted a flat "here's the yearly fee, unless you can prove with receipts and mileage that you didn't travel that far," with some trialing a GPS for exact mileage and use.


Interstate travel will be the second biggest hangup, not that people didn't buy gas in cheaper states if they lived nearby already. The first biggest trick will be getting people to accept having GPS tattle-tales that log their mileage.



Realistically, raising the yearly license plate registration fees will likely be the first step. ICE vehicles could become 400, 500, or more per year. Electric would follow suit (with a slight "savings" for those who adopt Electric over ICE).

But then we'll hear foul from those who feel that a yearly "tax" on the poor is over the incremental costs that the current fuel tax is.

Maybe we just need to go to a quarterly or monthly payment plan for vehicles?
 
I want to enjoy my paid off Subaru for a few years while I wait for more choices. I’d go with a Tesla but curious to see what Volvo, etc continue to develop over next few years
 
aparch said:
Some states are kicking around mileage based taxes in lieu of gas taxes. I believe Oregon and Colorado have pilot programs and Illinois floated the idea before it got shot down faster than a frat boy in Wigleyville.

If I remember correctly, all the plans adopted a flat "here's the yearly fee, unless you can prove with receipts and mileage that you didn't travel that far," with some trialing a GPS for exact mileage and use.


Interstate travel will be the second biggest hangup, not that people didn't buy gas in cheaper states if they lived nearby already. The first biggest trick will be getting people to accept having GPS tattle-tales that log their mileage.



Realistically, raising the yearly license plate registration fees will likely be the first step. ICE vehicles could become 400, 500, or more per year. Electric would follow suit (with a slight "savings" for those who adopt Electric over ICE).

But then we'll hear foul from those who feel that a yearly "tax" on the poor is over the incremental costs that the current fuel tax is.

Maybe we just need to go to a quarterly or monthly payment plan for vehicles?
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I think taxing the electricity would make a lot more sense. It’s easier to administer and you wouldn’t have the privacy concerns.
 
Handyman said:
Well unless I am reading it wrong Fade's comment seems to track with the idea that we will hit that percentage earlier than 2035 which is exactly what Sicatoka is betting when he bets the "under".

FWIW I would HAMMER the under. Hell I got like 5 Tesla's in my neighborhood alone and we are not a very affluent suburb. (we might have a couple Volts too) Hell if COVID hadn't hit I was well on my way to purchasing one this year and I aint exactly chilling in Edina ;^) The cost is dropping and barring long road trips I don't need massive mileage capacity anyways. Even the "cheap" end Tesla's have more than enough battery capacity for me.
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Ah, I read it as taking the under on 10%. My mistake.
 
aparch said:
Some states are kicking around mileage based taxes in lieu of gas taxes. I believe Oregon and Colorado have pilot programs and Illinois floated the idea before it got shot down faster than a frat boy in Wigleyville.

If I remember correctly, all the plans adopted a flat "here's the yearly fee, unless you can prove with receipts and mileage that you didn't travel that far," with some trialing a GPS for exact mileage and use.


Interstate travel will be the second biggest hangup, not that people didn't buy gas in cheaper states if they lived nearby already. The first biggest trick will be getting people to accept having GPS tattle-tales that log their mileage.



Realistically, raising the yearly license plate registration fees will likely be the first step. ICE vehicles could become 400, 500, or more per year. Electric would follow suit (with a slight "savings" for those who adopt Electric over ICE).

But then we'll hear foul from those who feel that a yearly "tax" on the poor is over the incremental costs that the current fuel tax is.

Maybe we just need to go to a quarterly or monthly payment plan for vehicles?
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The other, probably better, option I hadn't thought of was just ignoring out of state travel. Simpler for sure. Just tax accordingly.

I don't feel like the rigmarole of calculating and reporting state-based mileage is worth it. Too complex, prone to errors and fraud. I also hate the idea of gps and do t think that would fly.

Either tax mileage based primary residence or factor it based on state tax returns. If you're so inclined to keep the usage model.

because of course, the far superior model is to just tax income and not usage. Just because worker bee drives his car on the road doesn't mean Queen Beezos doesn't make money on that usage as well.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
The other, probably better, option I hadn't thought of was just ignoring out of state travel. Simpler for sure. Just tax accordingly.

I don't feel like the rigmarole of calculating and reporting state-based mileage is worth it. Too complex, prone to errors and fraud. I also hate the idea of gps and do t think that would fly.

Either tax mileage based primary residence or factor it based on state tax returns. If you're so inclined to keep the usage model.

because of course, the far superior model is to just tax income and not usage. Just because worker bee drives his car on the road doesn't mean Queen Beezos doesn't make money on that usage as well.
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There's something to be said for sin taxes and user fees just to reduce tragedy of the commons problems. Yes, those are regressive in nature but I can't say I'm 100% against them at all times and at all levels.
 
Manchin just announced that he'll break filibuster and allow discussion on voting rights bill.

No word on *actually* busting the filibuster though.

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Kepler said:
"When you shut off every non-violent form of change, the only thing left is violence."

If the Nazis manage to destroy democracy and end legitimate elections the response is going to make these look like summer camp.

The poor will of course lose in the long run, but in the sort run they might actually murder most of the rich. All they really need is every gas station. Then -- no escape, and they can take their time and enjoy it.
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If I remember correctly, the French Revolution didn't last very long because Robespierre was kind of a dick, and the surviving wealthy got help from their friends in neighboring countries. And the Counter Revolution was hella brutal and severe, leading to Robespierre's execution.
 
Speaking of Collins, maybe Drew can explain to us why she is in favor of restrictive voting practices, given it was just filibustered 50-50 on party lines.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
Speaking of Collins, maybe Drew can explain to us why she is in favor of restrictive voting practices, given it was just filibustered 50-50 on party lines.
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It’s a state’s rights issue. The states are the ones spending the money to hold elections and they should have control over them.
 
Drew S. said:
It’s a state’s rights issue. The states are the ones spending the money to hold elections and they should have control over them.
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What if a state said 6-year-olds should vote? Or 90-year-olds shouldn't?

Ok, now what if they said they were only going to put one polling place per square mile? And that voting could only take place from noon until 2 pm? And only in person?
 
The Federal Government has the right to set standards for all the states they do it on all sorts of issues. She would have no issue if Mitch puts forth stuff that is Federally based.

She is a fucking fraud.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
What if a state said 6-year-olds should vote? Or 90-year-olds shouldn't?
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The former is constitutional, the latter is not.

You can always expand voting beyond what the Constitution requires, you just can't restrict it further. It's the floor, not the ceiling.
 
unofan said:
The former is constitutional, the latter is not.

You can always expand voting beyond what the Constitution requires, you just can't restrict it further. It's the floor, not the ceiling.
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I knew I shouldn't have included this part. I should have just left the second half that wasn't quoted. Oh well.


(though interesting that restricting age is possible.)
 
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