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117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

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Drew S. said:
Why can’t we do both? I think the need is so much greater than we are led to believe and it’s not going to get easier or cheaper going forward.

Maybe this shouldn’t be the case other places but around Boston I would love to see the gas tax subsidize public transportation which would absolutely be a benefit to those not as well off.
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Tell you what.

When we start taxing the 1% at a rate they should be, when the minimum wage is at a rate it should be, when the social safety net programs are funded at the rate they should be, so the income and opportunity inequality gap shrinks to something more reasonable, then we can start talking about maybe increasing the gas tax.

Deal?
 
MissThundercat said:
I'm not a rural white; I live in an urban area. I work retail (6 days a week) and drive for Door Dash/Uber Eats as secondary work. A gas tax will punish your food delivery driver and your Shipt/Instacart person. And we're already struggling as it is with demand for our services declining.
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Not to mention the price increases for goods that are shipped via our highway system.

Meaning.......everything.
 
There's no way Dems are gonna raise the gas tax when it's now back over $3/gal. The disingenuous shrieking from Republicans about gas prices under Dump vs. Biden that has been going on for the past month would become an absolute field day. Never mind it's a sign that demand is up and the economy is poised for a boom cycle as the last of the COVID restrictions are lifted and people are ready for a long, hot summer of iniquity.
 
The Sicatoka said:
Going forward a gas tax to fund highways won't work. More and more usage of roadways will be by electric vehicles. How do we keep the roadways sound when the gas tax, even if increased, will produce less funding due to fewer ICE vehicles.
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Tax the fucking 1%.

Its not rocket surgery. Willie Sutton said it almost 100 years ago in response to the question, " why do you rob banks?"

Cause that's where the money is.
 
EVs are still less than 2% of the motor vehicle market share. A use tax based on annual miles driven will eventually be needed for electric vehicles, and will probably become a serious political issue once we start getting into the 10-15% range. Maybe 2035-ish?
 
rufus said:
Tell you what.

When we start taxing the 1% at a rate they should be, when the minimum wage is at a rate it should be, when the social safety net programs are funded at the rate they should be, so the income and opportunity inequality gap shrinks to something more reasonable, then we can start talking about maybe increasing the gas tax.

Deal?
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Would love that to happen. Just see it not happening and our infrastructure to continue going down the shitter.
 
Drew S. said:
Would love that to happen. Just see it not happening and our infrastructure to continue going down the ****ter.
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So, just easier to put it all on the poor. I mean, who's gonna complain, except for the poor, and who represents them anyway?
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
EVs are still less than 2% of the motor vehicle market share. A use tax based on annual miles driven will eventually be needed for electric vehicles, and will probably become a serious political issue once we start getting into the 10-15% range. Maybe 2035-ish?
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It'll be curious to see how that would work. Especially for drivers who cross state lines frequently. Or infrequently for that matter. I suppose it would be no different than income taxes. Report how much time you spent in the various states just like income.

Eh. We've got time
 
rufus said:
So, just easier to put it all on the poor. I mean, who's gonna complain, except for the poor, and who represents them anyway?
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As a retail/service person with grad student loans... a bunch of are going to skip complaining and go straight to the revolution part.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Wait what? This doesn't match what he posted, does it?
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Well unless I am reading it wrong Fade's comment seems to track with the idea that we will hit that percentage earlier than 2035 which is exactly what Sicatoka is betting when he bets the "under".

FWIW I would HAMMER the under. Hell I got like 5 Tesla's in my neighborhood alone and we are not a very affluent suburb. (we might have a couple Volts too) Hell if COVID hadn't hit I was well on my way to purchasing one this year and I aint exactly chilling in Edina ;^) The cost is dropping and barring long road trips I don't need massive mileage capacity anyways. Even the "cheap" end Tesla's have more than enough battery capacity for me.
 
10% is going to happen before the decade is up, and within the next 5 years in countries far more forward thinking than the U.S.
 
psych said:
Ending partisan gerrymandering would be huge. I’m sure Abrams would cede a lot more than just voter ID to make that happen. But, in the meantime, Democrats will give up the goods without question. I’m just certain Republicans will do the same.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/21/democrats-redistricting-wars-495303
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The only way for Dems to do this is to put non-partisan boards in place and not use them until everybody does.

Fight fire with fire, it's the only way to force the Nazis to the bargaining table.
 
MissThundercat said:
As a retail/service person with grad student loans... a bunch of are going to skip complaining and go straight to the revolution part.
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"When you shut off every non-violent form of change, the only thing left is violence."

If the Nazis manage to destroy democracy and end legitimate elections the response is going to make these look like summer camp.

The poor will of course lose in the long run, but in the short run they might actually murder most of the rich. All they really need is every gas station. Then -- no escape, and they can take their time and enjoy it.
 
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Handyman said:
Well unless I am reading it wrong Fade's comment seems to track with the idea that we will hit that percentage earlier than 2035 which is exactly what Sicatoka is betting when he bets the "under".

FWIW I would HAMMER the under. Hell I got like 5 Tesla's in my neighborhood alone and we are not a very affluent suburb. (we might have a couple Volts too) Hell if COVID hadn't hit I was well on my way to purchasing one this year and I aint exactly chilling in Edina ;^) The cost is dropping and barring long road trips I don't need massive mileage capacity anyways. Even the "cheap" end Tesla's have more than enough battery capacity for me.
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yeah, I see Teslas all the time now.

I'm really leaning towards a Model Y for our next car, just because the Tesla charging network is so much better than the alternatives right now. In 10 years, that won't matter though.

I can't get rid of my dinosaur guts burning Tacoma Truck for a while though -- we have a camp with no electricity and that's hundreds of miles from the nearest L2/L3 EV charging facility... but I'm sure some day I'll be exploring the backwoods in an EV.
 
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