Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[Jimjamesak]

Anchorage finally has a mask mandate after two weeks of public testimony (mostly driven by a qtard Facebook group trying to basically filibuster the mandate) involving plenty of controversy, a 9-2 vote, a veto by our new Mayor (whose election was driven by said qtard Facebook group), and a 9-2 override of said veto.

 

[rufus]

... they'd be required to be vaccinated for that job too

Yeah, but you don't get to shoot ni&&ers there.

Well, not as often, anyway.

 

[leswp1]

Dude, I'm not pro-homeschooling. The kids I've met who are homeschooled are fish out of water in social situations, and social situations are how you get through life ... or at least that's how it used to be.

INteresting- have dealt with homeschooled individuals as patients, as athletes (Middle, high school and college) and as a Uni Professor. For the most part they are above average in being able to critically think, be self sufficient, consider consequences, work without direction and get along with their peers when compared in those groups. Not all (of course) but most. And many times I wouldn't have known they were homeschooled until it came up in conversation.

If I see one more meme from a jackwad complaining nurses are being fired because they won't get vaccinated I may take their eyes out with a dull butter knife.

I may no longer have an electrician. We use a young guy who went to school with my kid. He is posting all sorts of sh1t about people can use a dressing room but not go to the Dr office (false dilemma BS). His mum is a nurse who has long covid for a yr and still is miserable with it. I lost my mind. Posted 90% of nurses are vaxed and it is a slap in the face for him to be posting BS while there are Nurses who have died and are still suffering. And then asked where his moral and ethical principles were (they are VERY Christian) that they were able to forget that it was important to love thy neighbor ... T

The only good thing about this is it will kill off a lot of stupid people and cleanse the gene pool a bit. The bad thing is the collateral damage to get that

I keep seeing all the job shortages blamed on mandates. Bullfeathers. This is capitalism, people. The workers are not willing to work for less dollars when they can go somewhere else (healthcare workers are going agency) and make decent money. Supply and demand.

Folks love to whine about Socializm!!!1!!!!1!!1!! but when capitalism works they whine and carry on about how dare people should want more $$. And how dare they charge more when the overhead is increasing. Okie dokie. There is a new addiction in this country- Outrage. The way to get a fix is to believe the contradictory narratives are logical and can coexist

What I am fascinated by is no one seems to have a problem with all the CEOs making bank- they are paid way more than they are worth and if they really wanted the company to succeed they would use some of that $$ to offer more for quality workers.

 

[The Sicatoka]

INteresting- have dealt with homeschooled individuals as patients, as athletes and as a Uni Professor. For the most part they are above average in being able to critically think, be self sufficient, consider consequences, work without direction and get along with their peers when compared in those groups. Not all (of course) but most. And many times I wouldn't have known they were homeschooled until it came up in conversation.

You're seeing them after they've left home. I know some folks who do home school. Their kids won't look at you much less look you in the eye. It's sad. Here's hoping they become what you've encountered.

 

[The Sicatoka]

What I am fascinated by is no one seems to have a problem with all the CEOs making bank- they are paid way more than they are worth and if they really wanted the company to succeed they would use some of that $$ to offer more for quality workers.

Shhh ... Bezos, Zuckerberg, and Musk can hear you.

 

[Jeb2020]

If you need three shots within a year...

You still get and spread COVID...

How is this a vaccine?

 

[dxmnkd316]

So is one of the dumb right wing talking points, at the intersection of covid and jobs, claiming that the reason companies are having a hard time hiring is that people are quitting over vaccine mandates? My dad was claiming that the other night.

Sure, maybe in some small areas that has a meaningful impact on hiring, but we here in MA are at 68% full and 78% (of everyone, including kids who aren't yet eligible) with one dose and we can't hire either, so no I don't believe that has any real effect on hiring.



and then, yet again, facts are pretty irrelevant.

I can't remember if it was here or somewhere else (might have been AOC who said it) but there is an interesting theory I read that with the cost of health care and the risk with COVID, a decent number of people may have said fuck it if they were a two income family and one made significantly less. The cost of child care is so insane, you almost need to work full time to pay for it. So why work when you can maybe make a little less a year but have one of the parents stay home and raise the child. One of the many, many factors I'm sure.

Back to the talking point, it's one where it's thoroughly obvious that it hasn't been thought out given the tiny fraction of employees who have quit over this. As I'm sure we're all very aware, it's because of the extreme upward pressure on salaries. Several of us have posted comments about our employers hiring at huge premiums right now. My company even announced a new program to push ALL salaries upwards across the board, moving the market points, uncapping ranges, and automatically bringing people up to some minimum relative to market. They're desperately trying to retain existing employees and trying to hire new.

It's not like we lost a massive fraction of the job market to COVID (even using 800,000, that's about 0.5% of the workforce). So I'm still a little confused where this pressure is coming from compared to October 2019. Could the stimulus from COVID be supercharging this? The child tax credit? This is the one thing I just don't quite understand. Because if this is transient due to the economy starting back up, we could see a pretty hard return to the norm over the next 12 months.

 

[The Sicatoka]

It's not like we lost a massive fraction of the job market to COVID (even using 800,000, that's about 0.5% of the workforce).

This says working age deaths (18 to 64) is more like ~170k.

 

[French Rage]

BTW, IMHO, it's a fair assumption that the anti-vaxxor cops are also the ones who should not be cops anyway, based on their biases. So if the Chicago PD loses some of these guys, it would be a net positive.

Given that Covid has been the #1 killer of police in the last year plus, they should be fired for not supporting the thin blue line.

 

[dxmnkd316]

This says working age deaths (18 to 64) is more like ~170k.

Not if Republicans had all the say. Work till you die bitch. You're lucky we're even allowing you to have a job.








but point taken. Even further strengthens that aspect of my point.

 

[MichVandal]

Not if Republicans had all the say. Work till you die *****. You're lucky we're even allowing you to have a job.








but point taken. Even further strengthens that aspect of my point.

Communism to support the rich.

 

[Swansong]

INteresting- have dealt with homeschooled individuals as patients, as athletes (Middle, high school and college) and as a Uni Professor. For the most part they are above average in being able to critically think, be self sufficient, consider consequences, work without direction and get along with their peers when compared in those groups. Not all (of course) but most. And many times I wouldn't have known they were homeschooled until it came up in conversation.

If I see one more meme from a jackwad complaining nurses are being fired because they won't get vaccinated I may take their eyes out with a dull butter knife.

I may no longer have an electrician. We use a young guy who went to school with my kid. He is posting all sorts of sh1t about people can use a dressing room but not go to the Dr office (false dilemma BS). His mum is a nurse who has long covid for a yr and still is miserable with it. I lost my mind. Posted 90% of nurses are vaxed and it is a slap in the face for him to be posting BS while there are Nurses who have died and are still suffering. And then asked where his moral and ethical principles were (they are VERY Christian) that they were able to forget that it was important to love thy neighbor ... T

The only good thing about this is it will kill off a lot of stupid people and cleanse the gene pool a bit. The bad thing is the collateral damage to get that

I keep seeing all the job shortages blamed on mandates. Bullfeathers. This is capitalism, people. The workers are not willing to work for less dollars when they can go somewhere else (healthcare workers are going agency) and make decent money. Supply and demand.

Folks love to whine about Socializm!!!1!!!!1!!1!! but when capitalism works they whine and carry on about how dare people should want more $$. And how dare they charge more when the overhead is increasing. Okie dokie. There is a new addiction in this country- Outrage. The way to get a fix is to believe the contradictory narratives are logical and can coexist

What I am fascinated by is no one seems to have a problem with all the CEOs making bank- they are paid way more than they are worth and if they really wanted the company to succeed they would use some of that $$ to offer more for quality workers.

I'd like to take this post to dinner and make sweet, sweet love to it.

 

[The Sicatoka]

but point taken. Even further strengthens that aspect of my point.

Correct: It's not Covid deaths per se affecting but Covid second-order impacts.

 

[Swansong]

I can't remember if it was here or somewhere else (might have been AOC who said it) but there is an interesting theory I read that with the cost of health care and the risk with COVID, a decent number of people may have said fuck it if they were a two income family and one made significantly less. The cost of child care is so insane, you almost need to work full time to pay for it. So why work when you can maybe make a little less a year but have one of the parents stay home and raise the child. One of the many, many factors I'm sure.

Child care has been a huge factor.

Article on participation:
https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-i...at-show-covid-19s-impact-on-womens-employment

On child care:
https://www.americanprogress.org/is...d-19-sent-womens-workforce-progress-backward/

Back to the talking point, it's one where it's thoroughly obvious that it hasn't been thought out given the tiny fraction of employees who have quit over this. As I'm sure we're all very aware, it's because of the extreme upward pressure on salaries. Several of us have posted comments about our employers hiring at huge premiums right now. My company even announced a new program to push ALL salaries upwards across the board, moving the market points, uncapping ranges, and automatically bringing people up to some minimum relative to market. They're desperately trying to retain existing employees and trying to hire new.

It's not like we lost a massive fraction of the job market to COVID (even using 800,000, that's about 0.5% of the workforce). So I'm still a little confused where this pressure is coming from compared to October 2019. Could the stimulus from COVID be supercharging this? The child tax credit? This is the one thing I just don't quite understand. Because if this is transient due to the economy starting back up, we could see a pretty hard return to the norm over the next 12 months.

I've said it before, but you do not make more money on unemployment than you would working my job, but we're barely getting any resumes for our open positions. We are fully remote healthcare IT folks and we don't even necessarily require experience in that specific field (I had none when I started 4 1/2 years ago). Our issue is that we're a hospital; we're broke and we can't afford to pay people their worth.

 

[The Sicatoka]

I'd like to take this post to dinner and make sweet, sweet love to it.

Beware of paper cut ... or electrocution ... or ... something.

 

[RaceBoarder]

Have hiring practices changed at all?

For those that have not had to legit job search on your own in the past 5-6 years, the average online job application takes 60-120 minutes to complete. At many of these low paying jobs, I can see that being a deterrent as well (again, "not worth the effort").

 

[rufus]

This says working age deaths (18 to 64) is more like ~170k.

And, those who didn't die, how much work did they miss? Are they still out of work with long term effects? Are they back at restricted duty? What industries have seen their sector hit harder by Covid illnesses?

Jebbers, there's more impacts from Covid than just getting better or dying from it.

 

[Jeb2020]

And, those who didn't die, how much work did they miss? Are they still out of work with long term effects? Are they back at restricted duty? What industries have seen their sector hit harder by Covid illnesses?

Jebbers, there's more impacts from Covid than just getting better or dying from it.

Covid is a cold aka the sniffles for anyone under 65 and even remotely healthy. And for vast many it is nothing at all.

#Covidian

 

[Swansong]

And, those who didn't die, how much work did they miss? Are they still out of work with long term effects? Are they back at restricted duty? What industries have seen their sector hit harder by Covid illnesses?

Jebbers, there's more impacts from Covid than just getting better or dying from it.

This has always bothered the crap out of me. There are a lot more impacts than just to those who die. The second and third order impacts of death are vast. And that, as you point out, is only regarding the 700,000+ who've so-far died. It says nothing about those suffering long Covid, or who might have medium-long term effects.


Covid deniers are flat earthers at this point, and deserve nothing but mockery. You aren't serious people and don't deserve to be treated as such.

 

[Jeb2020]

This has always bothered the crap out of me. There are a lot more impacts than just to those who die. The second and third order impacts of death are vast. And that, as you point out, is only regarding the 700,000+ who've so-far died. It says nothing about those suffering long Covid, or who might have medium-long term effects.


Covid deniers are flat earthers at this point, and deserve nothing but mockery. You aren't serious people and don't deserve to be treated as such.

You aren't a serious person and by the very definition to the letter, are a Fascist.


This is a fact and backed up statistically.

Covid is a cold aka the sniffles for anyone under 65 and even remotely healthy. And for vast many it is nothing at all.



And natural immunity is far superior to the booster subscription shots.

Pfizer currently has 92 lobbyists in Washington,
D.C. Johnson & Johnson has 67
Merck has 53 Gilead has 46
Natural immunity has zero.