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US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

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But They're not refugees. They're just people who are afraid of having to fight in the war that they've been turning a blind eye to for months.

Like Republicans, they don't care about anything until it affects them personally.
 
rufus said:
But They're not refugees. They're just people who are afraid of having to fight in the war that they've been turning a blind eye to for months.

Like Republicans, they don't care about anything until it affects them personally.
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So you think they should shoot the guy on the trolley tracks, when that guy is them? I can't get on board with saying the standard to be eligible to receive empathy is a proven willingness to immolate yourself in the name of your cause. If that's where we are, then there a bunch of jihadists who we should be welcoming with open arms.
 
LynahFan said:
So you think they should shoot the guy on the trolley tracks, when that guy is them? I can't get on board with saying the standard to be eligible to receive empathy is a proven willingness to immolate yourself in the name of your cause. If that's where we are, then there a bunch of jihadists who we should be welcoming with open arms.
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You prioritize based on need and circumstance. Would they be leaving if they weren't being drafted? Would they even care? Why all of a sudden is it imperative they leave Russia?

They have had plenty of time to go...it wasn't like this wasn't predicted once it became clear Russia was having issues with the war...they procrastinated because they didnt care. They arent freedom fighters or refugees...they are just people who dont want to get shot fighting a war they tacitly supported a week ago.

What purpose would it serve any European Border Countries to open the borders and let them in? Why should they burn resources on people who openly hated them until they needed them?
 
I have not walked a mile in their shoes, so I won’t pretend that I can understand the individual motivations or timing of 10s of thousands of individuals’ decisions. I grant that it is very likely that there are some who are worried about just their own draft status - even then, I have a hard time ever thinking of someone’s self-preservation instinct as selfish.

Would you grant that there are probably some people now looking to emigrate who have been actively fighting against the war at great personal risk? Would you really deny them a chance to escape just because some others may not have pure motives? That’s like saying we should shut down SNAP because some people probably sell their food to buy drugs.

Finally, there is always a straw that breaks the camel’s back. What if, after the midterms, there is a red wave and the GQP gerrymanders the hell out of all the purple states and you decide it’s finally time to go. However, Canada tells you to fuck off because Trump was elected in 2016 so you’ve had plenty of time to get out before then and they assume you’ve been sitting around on your ass not fighting against the GQP?
 
I understand Handyman's point - the line for many of these people is when it finally affects them. But still. I'd "let them in" (whatever that means). It shows they have a line, somewhere, and thus aren't necessarily irredeemable.
 
LynahFan said:
I have not walked a mile in their shoes, so I won’t pretend that I can understand the individual motivations or timing of 10s of thousands of individuals’ decisions. I grant that it is very likely that there are some who are worried about just their own draft status - even then, I have a hard time ever thinking of someone’s self-preservation instinct as selfish.

Would you grant that there are probably some people now looking to emigrate who have been actively fighting against the war at great personal risk? Would you really deny them a chance to escape just because some others may not have pure motives? That’s like saying we should shut down SNAP because some people probably sell their food to buy drugs.

Finally, there is always a straw that breaks the camel’s back. What if, after the midterms, there is a red wave and the GQP gerrymanders the hell out of all the purple states and you decide it’s finally time to go. However, Canada tells you to fuck off because Trump was elected in 2016 so you’ve had plenty of time to get out before then and they assume you’ve been sitting around on your *** not fighting against the GQP?
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This is what I am saying.
 
LynahFan said:
I have not walked a mile in their shoes, so I won’t pretend that I can understand the individual motivations or timing of 10s of thousands of individuals’ decisions. I grant that it is very likely that there are some who are worried about just their own draft status - even then, I have a hard time ever thinking of someone’s self-preservation instinct as selfish.

Would you grant that there are probably some people now looking to emigrate who have been actively fighting against the war at great personal risk? Would you really deny them a chance to escape just because some others may not have pure motives? That’s like saying we should shut down SNAP because some people probably sell their food to buy drugs.

Finally, there is always a straw that breaks the camel’s back. What if, after the midterms, there is a red wave and the GQP gerrymanders the hell out of all the purple states and you decide it’s finally time to go. However, Canada tells you to fuck off because Trump was elected in 2016 so you’ve had plenty of time to get out before then and they assume you’ve been sitting around on your *** not fighting against the GQP?
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Bingo. I had been meaning to say I'm with Kepler on this one. Mainly because it's the right thing to do. But you said it better than I could.
 
Handyman said:
What purpose would it serve any European Border Countries to open the borders and let them in? Why should they burn resources on people who openly hated them until they needed them?
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These countries need people.
mookie let the boys know that they could go to school in Germany for free, only having to stay and work in Germany for 3 yrs after graduation when the where looking.
couldn’t get any interest, but sciences are taught in English there, the universal language.
people everywhere know English. Even if they deny it to you when you visit ;’j
 
ScoobyDoo said:
So, why did Putin invade Ukraine exactly? He's not stupid. He must have known all this would happen.
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Clearly he was liberating Europe from a nazi threat in the Ukrainian military. Geez it's like you don't even care about their propaganda. ;-) (I don't try to divine reasoning on blood thirsty dictators, but it probably is something something MOTHERLAND something wheat something USSR something.)
 
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