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Grand Unified Election Thread 2: What is the difference between Biden and Dump?

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More the superstore setup. When I was younger we never went to Meijer because it was very far from where I lived. Once I went to WMU (late 90s), I grew to appreciate Meijer more. Now there is a Meijer is most decent sized towns (county seat or bigger) in Michigan. I still consider Meijer far superior to Walmart and preferable to Kroger or Target.

Post covid start, we converted from Kroger to Meijer. Kroger played the headlines to make people panic, Meijer stocked- constantly.

BTW, the Fred Meyer connection is pretty close- we have those in Idaho. But much more stuff in Meijer.
 
Cross posted but Murkowski is a yes.

Murkowski stopped short of definitively saying that she would vote to convict the president after a Senate trial, but only because she would need to listen to the president’s defense team. If this was a criminal trial, she said that she would not be seated as a juror because she has shown her bias.

“I will do what I am required and entrusted to do as a senator, as effectively listening to that trial and that proceeding, and I will make that determination at that time,” Murkowski said. “But what I will tell you is that what I believe is that this president has committed an impeachable offense through his words on the sixth of January, and leading up to the sixth of January, when he was not honest to the American about the election and the election results.”
 
Post covid start, we converted from Kroger to Meijer. Kroger played the headlines to make people panic, Meijer stocked- constantly.

BTW, the Fred Meyer connection is pretty close- we have those in Idaho. But much more stuff in Meijer.

Isn't Fred Meyer just Kroger now, but they kept the name in the states Fred Meyer operated?
 
I heard the same thing back when the tea party was just starting.

The Tea Party is different. That was an outside force that got co-opted. (and then took foothold) This is two factions within the same party with diametrically different feelings of what the heck is going on. Mitch couldn't even stop his own caucus from trying to de-certifying an election and electors. Even when everything and everyone told them not to pursue it cause it would cost them the Senate they did it gleefully.

What we are seeing is what Politico tries to pretend is going on with Dems. The Plutes are being overrun by the Fascists. Mitch doesn't even have the power to whip whiny powerwhores like Lindsay Graham anymore. (which is why Graham is flip flopping...he is the tell) The Fascists don't care about the money or serving their corporate overlords like Mitch and the normal GOP (or even the Tea Party and the Fredumbers) they serve the mob. They are acting like the House GOP...running their mouth and flying off the rails. That isn't how the Senate plays games like this, and it certainly isn't how Mitch would if he had what he wanted.

Put it another way...there is an insurrection in the Senate GOP. If Mitch had the votes and was only doing this as a stall tactic so Schumer would be majority leader when it happened his tone would be different, his answers would different...he would be different. That is why yesterday he sounded like he was all for this and today he doesn't know how he will vote. Mitch isn't pragmatic, he doesn't care if people like him or hate him or know the games he is playing. (he usually admits it outright like with Obama or with judges or the first impeachment) He is acting defeated and my guess is by the midterms someone like Cruz will be the defacto leader of the Senate GOP.

Honestly...the only way I see the GOP coming out of this in a decent position is if somehow the America First Party becomes a real thing. That will lead to defections of Trumpers...mostly in the House but I would guess clowns like Hawley and Cruz would consider it as well. That party is going to be a Trump Party through and through...

The House is an even worse fight. When clowns like Gym Jordan and Marjorie Qtard Greene have voices louder than Cheney and Kevin McCarthy...yikes. Of course stuff like that happens in the House.

I am not making guarantees because all it takes one bad act to happen for everything to change. But if you think Mitch isn't sweating this we will just have to agree to disagree.
 
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Thinking there will be some lasting fissure in the republican party is a pipe dream. The system favors to an insane level the party mechanisms of the Democratic party and the Republican party. Republicans are not going to commit ritual suicide. 95% of their party just voted NOT to impeach the president. The Fred Upton's of the world will not win Michigan's 6th District without support from virtually every MAGAt that votes. The Fred Upton's of the world -- and the rest of the republicans -- need the MAGAts a lot more than the MAGAts need them. The MAGAts ARE the republican party. Hell, they might just as well kick out the 10 who voted to impeach anyway. Most of them are in districts trump won anyway aren't they?
 
Thinking there will be some lasting fissure in the republican party is a pipe dream. The system favors to an insane level the party mechanisms of the Democratic party and the Republican party. Republicans are not going to commit ritual suicide. 95% of their party just voted NOT to impeach the president. The Fred Upton's of the world will not win Michigan's 6th District without support from virtually every MAGAt that votes. The Fred Upton's of the world -- and the rest of the republicans -- need the MAGAts a lot more than the MAGAts need them. The MAGAts ARE the republican party. Hell, they might just as well kick out the 10 who voted to impeach anyway. Most of them are in districts trump won anyway aren't they?

agree.

The senate is going to get worse over time too. I’ve got to think Tester and Manchin will eventually get replaced by someone closer to Cruz than Murkowsky
 
Thinking there will be some lasting fissure in the republican party is a pipe dream. The system favors to an insane level the party mechanisms of the Democratic party and the Republican party. Republicans are not going to commit ritual suicide. 95% of their party just voted NOT to impeach the president. The Fred Upton's of the world will not win Michigan's 6th District without support from virtually every MAGAt that votes. The Fred Upton's of the world -- and the rest of the republicans -- need the MAGAts a lot more than the MAGAts need them. The MAGAts ARE the republican party. Hell, they might just as well kick out the 10 who voted to impeach anyway. Most of them are in districts trump won anyway aren't they?

I don't think you realize you are making my point for me. Plenty will buckle under because they are spineless and need the Trumpers...the Trumpers don't need them and won't budge. That is why Mitch is losing control because they don't fear repercussions from an old guard corporate shill like him. Their votes are locked. The fascists are going to win the Party it is why I said the only way the GOP as we know it survives is if they form their own. (which will only happen if Trump backs it)

The Plutes will buckle under or leave. They will lose the internal fight. Make no mistake though the fight will happen and if it isn't settled by the midterms it is going to be costly for them in the House. (the Senate they will lose the same seats they likely already would have) After that though whatever the new version of the GOP is will be united under clowns like Gym Jordan and Matt Gaetz. The Cheney's and Mitch's are not long unless they sell out their corporate masters. (Mitch is just a Senate example he will likely retire anyways after this term)

I am not saying the GOP will disappear...I am saying there is a real chance of a blood feud unless Mitch steps on some throats and fast. He wants Donald out for a reason and it isnt because it is the right thing to do. He wants Trump to have zero influence going forward because Trump has stronger loyalty these days than Mitch.
 
Thinking there will be some lasting fissure in the republican party is a pipe dream. The system favors to an insane level the party mechanisms of the Democratic party and the Republican party. Republicans are not going to commit ritual suicide. 95% of their party just voted NOT to impeach the president. The Fred Upton's of the world will not win Michigan's 6th District without support from virtually every MAGAt that votes. The Fred Upton's of the world -- and the rest of the republicans -- need the MAGAts a lot more than the MAGAts need them. The MAGAts ARE the republican party. Hell, they might just as well kick out the 10 who voted to impeach anyway. Most of them are in districts trump won anyway aren't they?

Upton is probably leaving soon and Michigan is redistricting for 2022, so it's tough to say what the fallout will be for Upton and Meijer. Michigan is also likely losing a congressional seat, so someone in the state won't be having a seat to defend.
 
agree.

The senate is going to get worse over time too. I’ve got to think Tester and Manchin will eventually get replaced by someone closer to Cruz than Murkowsky

I thought Manchin was a huge name in WV which is why he is always safe despite being a Dem. It isnt like he will vote for anything controversial anyways the guy is a less annoying version of Susan Collins.

Tester has 4 more years...lord knows where we will be by then. Today is only the 13th day of 2021 and we already have had Trump try to extort votes, a dual runoff election that flipped the Senate, an attempted coup at the capitol and an Impeachment. 4 years from now we might all be living on Jupiter!
 
Upton is probably leaving soon and Michigan is redistricting for 2022, so it's tough to say what the fallout will be for Upton and Meijer. Michigan is also likely losing a congressional seat, so someone in the state won't be having a seat to defend.

Is Michigan doing the non-partisan redistricting so there wont be gerrymandering?
 
Is Michigan doing the non-partisan redistricting so there wont be gerrymandering?

Yup. Voted in 2018 as an amendment to the constitution. Districts were also supposed to be redrawn for the 2020 elections due to gerrymandering, separate from the 2018 vote, but SCOTUS stopped that.
 
Sure sure.

Quality reference.

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Yup. Voted in 2018 as an amendment to the constitution. Districts were also supposed to be redrawn for the 2020 elections due to gerrymandering, separate from the 2018 vote, but SCOTUS stopped that.

If anyone outside of Michigan cares- https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127-1633_91141---,00.html

We should have new districts by the end of this year- public hearings now until June- remapping from June until Sept 17 (with specific iterations in there).

I have a lot of hope thing will change a lot in 2022. Knowing how racist the representation north of here is, but seeing so many more Biden-Harris signs makes me hope that more northern seats will be changed.
 
I thought Manchin was a huge name in WV which is why he is always safe despite being a Dem. It isnt like he will vote for anything controversial anyways the guy is a less annoying version of Susan Collins.

Tester has 4 more years...lord knows where we will be by then. Today is only the 13th day of 2021 and we already have had Trump try to extort votes, a dual runoff election that flipped the Senate, an attempted coup at the capitol and an Impeachment. 4 years from now we might all be living on Jupiter!

Manchin looks like he only won in 2018 with only 49.5% vs. getting 61% in 2012 and he's up in 2024. Being a presidential election year...I think this may be his last term.
 
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