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Grand Unified Election Thread 2: What is the difference between Biden and Dump?

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The guy you elected hasn't even been sworn into office yet. Isn't it a tad early to be fretting over who might be his replacement?
 
Handyman said:
As much as I like Harris I hope she moves farther Left if she runs. They already label her a Socialist so she might as well lean in.

If the Dems have a better candidate though that is a very good sign for the future. Not as a knock on her, but because that means the bench is deep.
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We are in violent agreement.

When you say Drew is not Center-Left do you mean he is more Center-Right like psych? I guess that may be. I do remember he's a gun nut but IIRC he is just as repelled by the GOP as we are in contradistinction with Benighted Rights like Hovey. Then there is the Nazi Right who I have Ignored.

It seems to me there is an enormous glob of Center-Left here with you, uno, and dx and weirdly enough Miss T (join us, Miss T -- you belong on the fringe with me!) as the primary vocalists. Maybe Slap Shot too -- he always confuses me.

Then there's "True Left and Yet Emotionally Healthy" like DGF and LynahFan. And then there's "True Left with Obvious Crippling Personality Disorders" like Scooby and me.
 
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SJHovey said:
The guy you elected hasn't even been sworn into office yet. Isn't it a tad early to be fretting over who might be his replacement?
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Have you looked at him?

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Fig. 1 Not Jimmy Carter
 
Drew S. said:
I really, really, really hope the Dems don’t run Harris in four years. If they do we wind up with someone like Hawley as president. It’s completely horrible and an awful reflection on us as a country but that’s where we are right now.
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Concern troll is concerned.
 
SJHovey said:
The guy you elected hasn't even been sworn into office yet. Isn't it a tad early to be fretting over who might be his replacement?
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Drew brought it up and he is closer to you politically than us...

Should we run by every conversation we want to have with you first? We could email you or something. I mean we will ignore it but would it make you feel better?
 
Kepler said:
We are in violent agreement.

When you say Drew is not Center-Left do you mean he is more Center-Right like psych? I guess that may be. I do remember he's a gun nut but IIRC he is just as repelled by the GOP as we are in contradistinction with Benighted Rights like Hovey. Then there is the Nazi Right who I have Ignored.

It seems to me there is an enormous glob of Center-Left here with you, uno, and dx and weirdly enough Miss T (join us, Miss T -- you belong on the fringe with me!) as the primary vocalists. Maybe Slap Shot too -- he always confuses me.

Then there's "True Left and Yet Emotionally Healthy" like DGF and LynahFan. And then there's "True Left with Obvious Crippling Personality Disorders" like Scooby and me.
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Drew is Anti-Trump...beyond that he is nowhere near the center from anything I have seen.

I think you have psych misplaced as well to me he is a true Centrist.
 
Handyman said:
Drew is Anti-Trump...beyond that he is nowhere near the center from anything I have seen.

I think you have psych misplaced as well to me he is a true Centrist.
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Drew supports single payer, and I have never seen anything that makes me think he’s not lgbtq friendly.

but i think he’s right of center on most other things
 
Interesting...I guess I have never seen him speak on LGBTQ stuff and am being clouded by his devotion to guns. Mea culpa.
 
Handyman said:
Interesting...I guess I have never seen him speak on LGBTQ stuff and am being clouded by his devotion to guns. Mea culpa.
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I thought he was fairly socially liberal but I could be wrong. He’s def left on healthcare
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
How many vice presidents of failed one-term presidents ever go on to add to their political "career?"
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This is a good question.

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[B]Year President        Vice President      Highest Subsequent Political Achievement[/B]
1800 J. Adams         N/A
1828 J. Q. Adams      Richard Rush        Ambassador to France
1840 Van Buren        None (huh)
1892 B. Harrison      Whitelaw Reid       Ambassador to United Kingdom
1912 Taft             Nicholas M. Butler  President of the Carnegie Endowment, Nobel Peace Prize Winner
1932 Hoover           Charles Curtis      Remained an Injun
1976 Ford             Dole                GOP Nominee 1996
1980 Carter           Mondale             Dem Nominee 1984
1992 Bush             Quayle              Failed GOP Candidate 2000
2020 Dump             Pence               ?

My guess is Pence is Dan Quayle 2.0, right down to the state.
 
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Handyman said:
Drew is Anti-Trump...beyond that he is nowhere near the center from anything I have seen.

I think you have psych misplaced as well to me he is a true Centrist.
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Oh, if I’m a centrist, that’s good news for almost everyone on here. Center-right? Man, what does that make Hovey?
 
Kepler said:
This is a good question.

Code: 
[B]Year President Vice President Highest Subsequent Political Achievement[/B]
1800 J. Adams N/A
1828 J. Q. Adams Richard Rush Ambassador to France
1840 Van Buren None (huh)
1892 B. Harrison Whitelaw Reid Ambassador to United Kingdom
1912 Taft Nicholas M. Butler President of the Carnegie Endowment, Nobel Peace Prize Winner
1932 Hoover Charles Curtis Remained an Injun
1976 Ford Dole GOP Nominee 1996
1980 Carter Mondale Dem Nominee 1984
1992 Bush Quayle Failed GOP Candidate 2000
2020 Dump Pence ?

My guess is Pence is Dan Quayle 2.0, right down to the state.
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Your list is inaccurate. See my post from earlier today:

Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Yeah, one of the biggest problems is there aren't all that many "failed one-term presidents" (which I read to mean "lost their reelection bid"). Here is the list:

John Adams (Thomas Jefferson as VP - as you noted, a completely different situation that modern politics)
John Quincy Adams (John Calhoun as VP - might fit the bill, but again, not modern politics. He continued on as Jackson's VP before becoming a Senator and then Sec. of State)
Martin Van Buren (Richard Johnson as VP - never amounted to anything after being VP)
Franklin Pierce (William King as VP - died during Pierce's term)
Andrew Johnson (no VP)
Chester Arthur (no VP)
Grover Cleveland (1st term) (Thomas Hendricks as VP - died during Cleveland's first term)
Benjamin Harrison (Levi Morton as VP - was governor of New York after serving as VP, but never anything higher)
William Taft (James Sherman as VP - died during Taft's term)
Herbert Hoover (Charles Curtis as VP - retired from politics after serving as VP)
Gerald Ford (Nelson Rockefeller as VP - dropped from ticket in reelection bid)
Jimmy Carter (Walter Mondale as VP - won Democratic Nomination for President in 1984, but lost election)
George H.W. Bush (Dan Quayle - ran for Republican Nomination for President in 2000, but never came close)

So the three best examples are Thomas Jefferson (albeit under extremely different circumstances), John Calhoun (again very different circumstances), and Walter Mondale.
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psych said:
Oh, if I’m a centrist, that’s good news for almost everyone on here. Center-right? Man, what does that make Hovey?
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To be fair I count Hovey as Pre-Reconstruction Confederacy Right.

He wouldn't favor slavery but he'd be concerned about the economic effects of abolition and the government intrusion on free markets.
 
Kepler said:
To be fair I count Hovey as Pre-Reconstruction Confederacy Right.

He wouldn't favor slavery but he'd be concerned about the economic effects of abolition and the government intrusion on free markets.
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So can't risk the consequences, so better leave slavery as it is.
 
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