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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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Drew S. said:
I don’t think anyone who has any sort of understanding of logistics thought this was likely. To get one million people vaccinated a day we would need to have 100 sites vaccinating 100 people, not easy at all.
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You mean 1000 sites vaccinating 1000 people a day. And while it may not be easy, it's still possible. 1000 sites are 20 per state- which can't be that hard. 10,000 sites would be 200/state on average. There are 3006 counties in the US- is that's JUST 3 per county.

Up that to average 10 sites per county, that's 30,000 sites.

Lets say that one at a time means one vaccine per 5 min, or 12 per hour. Over an 8 hour day, that's 108 per site.

108 x 30,000 sites is over 3,000,000 per day.

I can't see that as nearly impossible.

I see that one site can support at least 3 people at a time, every 5 min, and that they would probably want to go the distance and do 12 hours per day (in shifts), so that one site can do 432/day. So even IF we were restricted to 5 sites per county, that would be almost 6.5M vaccinations per day.
 
Drew S. said:
I don’t think anyone who has any sort of understanding of logistics thought this was likely. To get one million people vaccinated a day we would need to have 100 sites vaccinating 100 people, not easy at all.
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People know how to do this. It’s complicated but there are those of us who do this type of planning and organization for a living.

I agree that states should administer it to a level- but the feds have to lay the groundwork, work out supply chain, etc
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
People know how to do this. It’s complicated but there are those of us who do this type of planning and organization for a living.

I agree that states should administer it to a level- but the feds have to lay the groundwork, work out supply chain, etc
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I definitely think it’s possible, but it will take significant resources and planning. Hopefully sometime in Q1 we get there.
 
The Old United States would have gotten it done. The New United States run by the backwater states of Kentucky and Florida will never get it done.
 
MichVandal said:
You mean 1000 sites vaccinating 1000 people a day. And while it may not be easy, it's still possible. 1000 sites are 20 per state- which can't be that hard. 10,000 sites would be 200/state on average. There are 3006 counties in the US- is that's JUST 3 per county.

Up that to average 10 sites per county, that's 30,000 sites.

Lets say that one at a time means one vaccine per 5 min, or 12 per hour. Over an 8 hour day, that's 108 per site.

108 x 30,000 sites is over 3,000,000 per day.

I can't see that as nearly impossible.

I see that one site can support at least 3 people at a time, every 5 min, and that they would probably want to go the distance and do 12 hours per day (in shifts), so that one site can do 432/day. So even IF we were restricted to 5 sites per county, that would be almost 6.5M vaccinations per day.
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I agree with your numbers. I do see some potential problems though, particularly as it relates to rural areas/counties:

(1) There aren't necessarily even 15 people (or 5 sites) in every county capable of providing the vaccines in rural areas. We would need to have a lot of people traveling to rural counties to provides the vaccinations. Doable, but it may not make the most sense.
(2) There are a lot of really large (and really rural) counties, and to vaccinate everyone within the county would require some significant travel. I'm not saying it is not worth it, but some people may not be willing to travel very far to get the vaccine.
(3) Even if we were able to vaccinate at the rates you are talking about (essentially, 2,160 vaccinations/day/county), there would be a lot of counties that would be done within a day or two.

If it were me, I would focus on the most populated areas in the state, and have limited sites in the rural areas. You probably don't get to 6.5M vaccinations per day, but you can probably get 1-2M/day.
 
Well they should have been planning this out when Pfizer started leaking out the info on their virus. Hell they should have had a group within the WH Task Force (or Warp Speed) who was working out the details of this. I mean an hour after the excitement died down that a vaccine was close everyone was saying "we still need to get it to the people!" but apparently no one listened.

Ultimately that is everything Trump did in office. He figured if he just said the thing it would magically appear like this is a movie or sitcom where you don't see behind the scenes. They never put in any actual work to do anything. Hell Kushner had unpaid interns (basically) doing a lot of the work. The first thing I would do is call every logistics expert I can find and along with health care experts and have them come up with a plan. Of course if he does that he has to share credit...

edit: I agree at this point you start with the population centers and go outward. Get as many vaccinated as you can and then start sending people to the lesser populated areas.
 
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I wonder if employers will hold vaccination events. Right now hospitals are vaccinating their employees.
If essential workers are part of the next batch, do some of those employers contract an event to have their people that want to participate get vaccinated?
I work for a very large manufacturing company that stayed open throughout various shutdowns by saying we are essential for agriculture and infrastructure (our products are used in these industries). The site for our plant has about 200 employees. We had a flu shot clinic in November, with minimal participation.
 
wolverineTrumpet said:
I wonder if employers will hold vaccination events. Right now hospitals are vaccinating their employees.
If essential workers are part of the next batch, do some of those employers contract an event to have their people that want to participate get vaccinated?
I work for a very large manufacturing company that stayed open throughout various shutdowns by saying we are essential for agriculture and infrastructure (our products are used in these industries). The site for our plant has about 200 employees. We had a flu shot clinic in November, with minimal participation.
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My company offers flu vaccines in the office and plants to anyone who works on site regardless of their employer or insurance. Thry have an appointment system and everything. They have the infrastructure.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
My company offers flu vaccines in the office and plants to anyone who works on site regardless of their employer or insurance. Thry have an appointment system and everything. They have the infrastructure.
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Mine does too, and would certainly reduce the burden on primary care providers
 
My employer is already doing onsite testing for the pilots. I imagine doing vaccinations wouldn’t be much of a stretch.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
My company offers flu vaccines in the office and plants to anyone who works on site regardless of their employer or insurance. Thry have an appointment system and everything. They have the infrastructure.
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I think if companies will start the vaccination process, they will wait for a vaccine that doesn't require the super cold storage. Limiting failures due to process and human error as much as possible would be best. Those failure points skyrocket once you introduce additional transit stretches into the distribution process.
 
wolverineTrumpet said:
I wonder if employers will hold vaccination events. Right now hospitals are vaccinating their employees.
If essential workers are part of the next batch, do some of those employers contract an event to have their people that want to participate get vaccinated?
I work for a very large manufacturing company that stayed open throughout various shutdowns by saying we are essential for agriculture and infrastructure (our products are used in these industries). The site for our plant has about 200 employees. We had a flu shot clinic in November, with minimal participation.
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My employer told us we are on our own for getting the vaccine. We have flu shots given on site and I was surprised they weren’t going to do the same with Covid vaccine.

Agree with Handyman that we should get as many shots out as quickly as possible and not worry too much who gets them.
 
Handyman said:
Well they should have been planning this out when Pfizer started leaking out the info on their virus. Hell they should have had a group within the WH Task Force (or Warp Speed) who was working out the details of this.
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Umm, I think they did. And that's the problem. Trumpie's administration was in charge of it.

I remember reading something in the weeks after Biden got elected, either he or someone from his future admin or transition team, said the feds had no plan for distributing the vaccine. And of course, Azar or Giroir or one of the other lackeys was immediately in the media disputing it "Nope, we got it covered. Fake news"

Just one more example of why Trumpie will go down in history as the worst president ever. The man can't open a Ziploc bag, let alone develop a process to vaccinate 300 million people.
 
wolverineTrumpet said:
I wonder if employers will hold vaccination events. Right now hospitals are vaccinating their employees.
If essential workers are part of the next batch, do some of those employers contract an event to have their people that want to participate get vaccinated?
I work for a very large manufacturing company that stayed open throughout various shutdowns by saying we are essential for agriculture and infrastructure (our products are used in these industries). The site for our plant has about 200 employees. We had a flu shot clinic in November, with minimal participation.
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We had an article in the local paper today, first responders like police, fire, and ambulance are starting to get vaccinated. IF THEY WANT TO.

What??? I'm sorry, you work in those areas, you get vaccinated, end of story. Condition of your employment. You don't like it, fine, you can go work at Wal-Mart. You don't need to be continued to be employed by the town.
 
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