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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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rufus said:
We had an article in the local paper today, first responders like police, fire, and ambulance are starting to get vaccinated. IF THEY WANT TO.

What??? I'm sorry, you work in those areas, you get vaccinated, end of story. Condition of your employment. You don't like it, fine, you can go work at Wal-Mart. You don't need to be continued to be employed by the town.
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I don't know how much it impacts society if they get vaccinated or not. Since they're likely to still be contagious, assuming they coming contact with the virus outside the vaccine. The vaccine will really just keep them out in public as another group of asymptomatic people spreading the thing to people who aren't within the Tier 1 list - people like you and me.
 
rufus said:
We had an article in the local paper today, first responders like police, fire, and ambulance are starting to get vaccinated. IF THEY WANT TO.
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It's to appease the dopes. Look at that list. The ambulance people will all get vaccinated gladly; they have some comprehension of science and medicine. The cops and fire are recruited from the dregs -- it's going to be a crapshoot. A lot of them will have idiocies running around in their brains from Dear Leader or their god myths or whatever.

I wonder if the military is mandating. On the one hand: the grunts have no rights and even if soldiers don't understand science the brass do. On the other hand: pervasive ashattery throughout the services.
 
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rufus said:
We had an article in the local paper today, first responders like police, fire, and ambulance are starting to get vaccinated. IF THEY WANT TO.

What??? I'm sorry, you work in those areas, you get vaccinated, end of story. Condition of your employment. You don't like it, fine, you can go work at Wal-Mart. You don't need to be continued to be employed by the town.
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A friend from high school (cow county, Maryland) is an EMT for Baltimore. She posted that her employer contacted her about getting the vaccine next week, she wrote, "I'm not sure how to feel". I interpret it as, she still lives in Trump-ville, surrounded by Fox News believing friends. Even first responders can fall victim to the cult.
 
St. Clown said:
I think if companies will start the vaccination process, they will wait for a vaccine that doesn't require the super cold storage. Limiting failures due to process and human error as much as possible would be best. Those failure points skyrocket once you introduce additional transit stretches into the distribution process.
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I don’t disagree. My poorly stated point was it’s not hard for a company the size of mine to offer vaccines, logistics, etc for all 100+ sites in the US (worldwide too maybe). Each site with an average population the size of a tiny rural farm community and a total worldwide population of less than a third that of Minneapolis. The records keeping and electronic logistics are easy enough to solve.

A county government should be able to figure this out; a state certainly should; and if the feds can’t, we’re all ****ed.

Anyways... a state should be able to figure out how to roll up a redundant pair of cold storage semis to a site no matter how rural the location and get people vaccinated. This isn’t hard. It’s just a malicious refusal of some localities to participate.

Exit: Actually, going back to the context, I realize my point was that a state could easily contract with companies and pharmacies to distribute to local communities once we get to a phase where we’re shipping millions of doses a week.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I agree with your numbers. I do see some potential problems though, particularly as it relates to rural areas/counties:

(1) There aren't necessarily even 15 people (or 5 sites) in every county capable of providing the vaccines in rural areas. We would need to have a lot of people traveling to rural counties to provides the vaccinations. Doable, but it may not make the most sense.
(2) There are a lot of really large (and really rural) counties, and to vaccinate everyone within the county would require some significant travel. I'm not saying it is not worth it, but some people may not be willing to travel very far to get the vaccine.
(3) Even if we were able to vaccinate at the rates you are talking about (essentially, 2,160 vaccinations/day/county), there would be a lot of counties that would be done within a day or two.

If it were me, I would focus on the most populated areas in the state, and have limited sites in the rural areas. You probably don't get to 6.5M vaccinations per day, but you can probably get 1-2M/day.
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I was kind of hinting toward an average. Like it would be pretty easy to find 20-30 sites in Wayne County (Metro Detroit) Michigan. And that would mean some remote county could deal with one. And another 20 in each touching county to that.

An obvious location to do this are at pharmacies- since they already to flu shots. And I know of 3 within a mile. Which makes the point about remote counties and people even more stark- it would take some work to find a central enough spot. But using pharmacies that most people have access to would pretty much cover enough people to get herd immunity.

Th greater point is that it's not that hard. Every single person and every single business in this country gets mail every day but Sunday. So to think we can't do multi-millions of things every day is not really correct.
 
MichVandal said:
I was kind of hinting toward an average. Like it would be pretty easy to find 20-30 sites in Wayne County (Metro Detroit) Michigan. And that would mean some remote county could deal with one. And another 20 in each touching county to that.

An obvious location to do this are at pharmacies- since they already to flu shots. And I know of 3 within a mile. Which makes the point about remote counties and people even more stark- it would take some work to find a central enough spot. But using pharmacies that most people have access to would pretty much cover enough people to get herd immunity.

Th greater point is that it's not that hard. Every single person and every single business in this country gets mail every day but Sunday. So to think we can't do multi-millions of things every day is not really correct.
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Furthermore, pharmacies would actually get it done. They love foot traffic. Nothing that Walgreens or CVS loves better than handing out free flu shots to the oldsters.

I would mandate that every person who walks into a hospital or clinic gets stuck. I don't care if they come in because they have a rash on their ballsack. Vaccinate them. Every single one. They have time to take my temperature and ask me a bunch of questions, they have time to stick me with a needle.
 
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Furthermore, pharmacies would actually get it done. They love foot traffic. Nothing that Walgreens or CVS loves better than handing out free flu shots to the oldsters.

I would mandate that every person who walks into a hospital or clinic gets stuck. I don't care if they come in because they have a rash on their ballsack. Vaccinate them. Every single one. They have time to take my temperature and ask me a bunch of questions, they have time to stick me with a needle.
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OK, sure. But they need a vaccine to stick you with. Whatcha gonna do about that?
 
rufus said:
OK, sure. But they need a vaccine to stick you with. Whatcha gonna do about that?
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Well, according to the CDC, 11 million doses or more have been distributed to the states, but maybe 2.1 million plus vaccinated? That suggests there are some doses somewhere.
 
Say that's true. I doubt it, but say it is. 11 million whole doses! For the entire country!!! For a vaccine that needs two doses/person. Wow.

Is that for this week? What about next week? The week after?

Gonna be a lot of sticking of folks just walking into the hospital.
 
So in reply to one post suggesting that vaccinating everyone is really hard, we came up with the obvious solution to cover everyone within a half a day. One that most people here could agree with. (not vaccinate everyone in a half day, but the potential workable solution)

The big issue now is to get coolers out to places, but those have been ordered for many places already- I had heard that my company bought a bunch. But that was just one of the vaccines.

In contrast, the "leadership" we have still have no idea to vaccinate 1M people a day. Who in the world is running this country?
 
Handyman said:
There is going to be a lot of people in 2 weeks asking for thoughts and prayers...
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Speaking of, Dump is having a New Years Party with 500 people at the Tyrant's Toilet in West Palm.

Maybe they'll all be dead by 1/20.
 
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Who in their right mind would even set foot in such a place at this time?

Are Americans really that fucking stupid? Spoiled? Entitled?
 
rufus said:
Who in their right mind would even set foot in such a place at this time?

Are Americans really that ****ing stupid? Spoiled? Entitled?
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According to google, there are 88,000 pharmacies in the US. So each would have to average 3,750 total vaccinations to get 330M people.

If each managed to do one every 10 min in a 12 hour day, that would 72 per day, or 52 days to do their allotment of 3750 people. Skip Sundays, that's just over 8 weeks.

Someone explain to me why pharmacies can't do that. Not counting the supply issue, that's the distribution, which is pretty easy to do.
 
MichVandal said:
According to google, there are 88,000 pharmacies in the US. So each would have to average 3,750 total vaccinations to get 330M people.

If each managed to do one every 10 min in a 12 hour day, that would 72 per day, or 52 days to do their allotment of 3750 people. Skip Sundays, that's just over 8 weeks.

Someone explain to me why pharmacies can't do that. Not counting the supply issue, that's the distribution, which is pretty easy to do.
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I didn't read the articles, but I saw some headlines regarding "pharmacy deserts." These, like "food deserts," are areas where they're >=X miles from a location that could provide distribution. The concern of the articles had to do with poor people who had no manner of getting to these pharmacies and being left behind by the various vaccination processes.
 
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