Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[SJHovey]

Well maybe if your moron Governor hadnt waited to act until it was too late you wouldn't be in this position. That is what leadership is. But no the Governors of the Dakotas talked about how people "know to do the right thing" and let it be the Wild West. (as did many of the other states that are now being screwed without lube and have small populations) Anyone with an IQ over 12 knows Americans never "do the right thing" until it suits them. One side turned the whole thing into a political game and now all people are losing. Their fake mask mandates now are like the Titanic avoiding further iceburgs as it is sinking.

Literally everyone here was saying we would be in this exact spot at almost this exact time. Did we all just get extraordinarily lucky? No, unlike a certain segment of the population we actually know how to do math and understand science. We err on the side of caution, they err on the side of "It doesnt matter what happens to you as long as it doesnt happen to me"!

For all the flack Walz got he actually tried to take control. Then he "re-opened" and the morons (i.e. the Republican Party) basically spent months demonizing him and telling people to do whatever the fcuk they like.

So what exactly is your biatch with Burgum? That he didn't order everyone in ND to wear a mask?

Look, I think mask mandates are fine. I've worn one ever since Walz mandated it back in July. It's no big deal.

But let's not kid one another. It's not the great panacea everyone plays it up to be. We were doing maybe 700 cases a day in Minnesota when Walz put it in place, it's never been revoked, and now we're doing 7000 cases a day. Would it have been 17,000 cases a day without a mask mandate here in Minnesota? Maybe. Who knows. But it's not like we put on our masks in July here in Minnesota and this thing went away.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

The governors of the dakotas rejected restrictions and pushed the liberty angle over public health and safety. It set a tone for their residents and healthcare workers.

and again- masks are not the reason MN spiked. We’re spiking because everyone takes masks off at home amd is gathering with people in different households.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Just enforce labor laws. Especially by putting tyson officials in jail for hiring anyone that is not legal to work.

When politicians say we need more cops on the street, I say I'm fine with it, if the cops on the street are the ones who will enforce the various workplace and labor laws. You are more likely in this country to be a victim of wage theft or suffer some other illegal act by your employer than you are to be raped, robbed, assaulted, battered, burgled, had your property vandalized or any of the other things we usually think about when we consider people victims of crimes. If we rigorously enforced workplace safety laws, wage and hour laws and all of the rights enumerated in the National Labor Relations and Railway Labor acts, we would improve the lives of people in this country more than most realize is possible.

 

[SJHovey]

The governors of the dakotas rejected restrictions and pushed the liberty angle over public health and safety. It set a tone for their residents and healthcare workers.

and again- masks are not the reason MN spiked. We’re spiking because everyone takes masks off at home amd is gathering with people in different households.

The Governor of North Dakota knows his audience. He didn't have to push anything. You are not going to tell a housewife in Kenmare, ND she needs to wear a mask to go to the grocery store when she knows there is about a 35% chance that the only person she'll see or come across on that trip is the person at the checkout station.

 

[Handyman]

My bich with him is that he isnt smart enough to understand human nature when I know 5 year olds who get it. His job is to lead and protect the people of his state. He was completely derelict in his duties to an almost criminal level. He, like all of the Upper Midwest GOP Governors ignored the doctors, ignored the science and made it about personal liberty. They took their cues from a moron President who can barely do math.

It isnt like this is May...it isnt like the virus is new. Every model showed this. He could have spent the lead time preparing. He could have been getting the NoDakers to take precautions before it was too late. He didnt. And he never pushed back against people who were downplaying. No...gotta make sure we talk about how people in the Midwest know what to do...except they dont. He is the fcuking Governor he should know better than that.

I guess the question is...why dont you have a bigger beef with the guy? It is morons (and yeah he is a moron) like him that have screwed this country over. It is morons like him and Kristi Noem in SoDak that have put pretty much everyone at risk. (yay Sturgis) It is morons like him that stood idly by as superspreader events happened all over. If I had any ties to NoDak at this point I would be demanding a recall.

 

[rufus]

What I'm reading is that people are not capable of doing the right thing, and the government needs to step in to save people's lives.

But we can't have government do that, cause government shouldn't be able to tell people what to do.

Freedums!!!!

 

[Handyman]

The Governor of North Dakota knows his audience. He didn't have to push anything. You are not going to tell a housewife in Kenmare, ND she needs to wear a mask to go to the grocery store when she knows there is about a 35% chance that the only person she'll see or come across on that trip is the person at the checkout station.

Well then no offense, but the people of NoDak are dumber than the fcuking President. And he (the Head NoDak Moron) is dumb because he doesnt get the job of the Executive.

Cool I want zero pushback now when I call out your state for being full of braindead morons.

 

[SJHovey]

Well maybe if your moron Governor hadnt waited to act

Also, he may be a moron, but he did figure out a way to grift $1.1 billion out of Microsoft for himself, so at least he's a comfortable moron.

 

[rufus]

Are your young people stupid or selfish? Or do they not care about people dying?

Hovey's not young. Why should they be any different than he, who says its not his responsibility to prevent other people from getting sick?

 

[dxmnkd316]

So what exactly is your biatch with Burgum? That he didn't order everyone in ND to wear a mask?

Look, I think mask mandates are fine. I've worn one ever since Walz mandated it back in July. It's no big deal.

But let's not kid one another. It's not the great panacea everyone plays it up to be. We were doing maybe 700 cases a day in Minnesota when Walz put it in place, it's never been revoked, and now we're doing 7000 cases a day. Would it have been 17,000 cases a day without a mask mandate here in Minnesota? Maybe. Who knows. But it's not like we put on our masks in July here in Minnesota and this thing went away.

Taiwan hasn't had a case in 200+ days. Something seems to work there.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Taiwan hasn't had a case in 200+ days. Something seems to work there.

Queue the "Taiwan is a small island" and "Asian countries have less freedumb" arguments.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Queue the "Taiwan is a small island" and "Asian countries have less freedumb" arguments.

Good thing they’re not densely populated or near China!

 

[Slap Shot]

Also, he may be a moron, but he did figure out a way to grift $1.1 billion out of Microsoft for himself, so at least he's a comfortable moron.

Weeeeeee!!!

 

[Swansong]

What is adherence like there? I'd wager not super high outside the cities. Saying masks don't work is silly when huge parts of the population refuse them.

 

[psych]

What is adherence like there? I'd wager not super high outside the cities. Saying masks don't work is silly when huge parts of the population refuse them.

For sure. As has been discussed ad nauseum on here, masks aren’t the only tool being deployed. Social distancing, limiting gatherings/indoor events, etc., also help. Closing bars/restaurants should help too. No one on here has said only masks are required to stop the spread. A huge factor? Absolutely. The only one? Nah.

 

[SJHovey]

Dude, Washington freaking DC has fewer COVID 19 deaths that either North or South Dakota.

So the idea that actions don't work within our very United States of America is totally false.

Oregon has 41 people/square mile, 4x that of ND, same number of deaths at 791 (today at least).
Delaware has 446 p/m^2, 742 deaths

Here's one that should get you- New York State has the most deaths per state (still) 33,607- the hot spots of hot spots. If you normalize that to the ENTIRE state density- of 421 people/square mile- that's 79.8 deaths/ (person per square mile). North Dakota is 791 deaths /9.7 people/sqmi- that's 81.5 deaths/(people/square mile).

Yes, normalized to population density, the deaths in ND exceed New York. Virtually all of them have happened recently, whereas virtually all of New York's deaths happened prior to the actions working, and while we were still learning to deal with this. And 24k of those deaths in New York happened in incredibly dense New York City.

Pretend all you want that actions don't work, but other states, countries, and even cities point out that they very, very much do.

The governor's lack of actions is killing people. Nobody cares. No, not that nobody cares, people are actively finding excuses to pretend that it was going to happen regardless, in spite of clear evidence that prevention actions work.

No question, on a per capita basis, ND is leading the race (or trailing it, however you want to look at it.) But you still have to look at it in real numbers. If one person dies in a ND car accident, that's like 27 dying in a NY car accident, on a per capita basis. But the ND accident is barely going to get noticed in ND, while the NY accident will be national news. Why? 27 people dying in a car accident is huge, compared with one person.

So yeah, on a "per capita" basis it looks bad in North Dakota. But until you tell people that there are no hospital beds in case they need one (for whatever reason), they aren't going to get too excited about it, and even then the excitement level is going to be pretty low.

 

[psych]

No question, on a per capita basis, ND is leading the race (or trailing it, however you want to look at it.) But you still have to look at it in real numbers. If one person dies in a ND car accident, that's like 27 dying in a NY car accident, on a per capita basis. But the ND accident is barely going to get noticed in ND, while the NY accident will be national news. Why? 27 people dying in a car accident is huge, compared with one person.

So yeah, on a "per capita" basis it looks bad in North Dakota. But until you tell people that there are no hospital beds in case they need one (for whatever reason), they aren't going to get too excited about it, and even then the excitement level is going to be pretty low.

So, before this pandemic got really bad, like early March, did you think North Dakotans would be this nonchalant in their response to Covid and measures to combat it?

 

[SJHovey]

So, before this pandemic got really bad, like early March, did you think North Dakotans would be this nonchalant in their response to Covid and measures to combat it?

Of course. I'm a North Dakotan. Who here is more nonchalant than me?

We tend not to get too worked up about things. I think most North Dakotans expected that at some point they'd get their turn as the hot spot. Like electricity and movies and everything else, things just take a little longer to get out there.

As soon as hospitalizations level off, I think you'll just see things go back to the way they were there.

 

[dxmnkd316]

What is adherence like there? I'd wager not super high outside the cities. Saying masks don't work is silly when huge parts of the population refuse them.

Not great, swan, not great

A Detailed Map of Who Is Wearing Masks in the U.S. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

 

[leswp1]

Skimmed. If the poster from NoDak here is representative then this explains why they are just like sheep to the slaughter. Was going to way cattle but they seem to have more brains to stay away from hazards.

It seems too bad that we can't lock the States up with the collectively stupid so they don't spread stupid other places. No wonder we are hearing so many of the older healthcare workers stepping away. Was teaching today and my students had a list of people in their lives who were getting out. As I said to them I love my profession but I am not willing to die for it. Apparently large numbers of others feel the same.