Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[Handyman]

91k new cases...1047 deaths. ROUNDING THE CORNER:

 

[rufus]

"Rounding the corner toward herd mentality" is what he meant.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

91k new cases...1047 deaths. ROUNDING THE CORNER:

That's an epic gif. Love it.

 

[Kepler]

Michael Bay can DIAF.

 

[Swansong]

that study is about cloth masks in a healthcare setting, where they are absolutely not appropriate.

Just ignore the trollbot.

We can safely say that he's at worst dangerously misleading and at best sorta adjacent to the truth. But never correct, never accurate.

 

[Kepler]

that study is about cloth masks in a healthcare setting, where they are absolutely not appropriate.

Please do not quote the derp.

 

[Kepler]

I was looking at the death numbers. In over ten states, one in a thousand people have died from covid in 7 months. In New Jersey they’re closing in on 1/500.

The early twin towers, NY and NJ, should get an asterisk. They were the first on the beach so their numbers are skewed insanely high. They were hit when we knew nothing and when the airwaves and interwebs had not been saturated with warnings. I think it is a much more fair comparison to start the clock on everybody in June, and from then on NY and NJ are on line with the other first world states.

The really scary places are those that have actually been rising as we learn more, which suggests some combination of local government malfeasance and anti-science in the population to the level of cult mass suicide proportions. So, ID, MT, ND, SD, WI, IA, NE, and especially FL are really bad.

 

[Kepler]

You be you, Prince Charming.

 

[SJHovey]

The early twin towers, NY and NJ, should get an asterisk. They were the first on the beach so their numbers are skewed insanely high. They were hit when we knew nothing and when the airwaves and interwebs had not been saturated with warnings. I think it is a much more fair comparison to start the clock on everybody in June, and from then on NY and NJ are on line with the other first world states.

The really scary places are those that have actually been rising as we learn more, which suggests some combination of local government malfeasance and anti-science in the population to the level of cult mass suicide proportions. So, ID, MT, ND, SD, WI, IA, NE, and especially FL are really bad.

I'm pretty sure I read around here that everyone knew or should have known back in February and March how dangerous this would be, and anyone with even a half a brain and willing to act could have prevented all but just a few deaths in this country.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I'm pretty sure I read around here that everyone knew or should have known back in February and March how dangerous this would be, and anyone with even a half a brain and willing to act could have prevented all but just a few deaths in this country.

Yes, that's true. There are many smart people working across the country that knew what a corona virus outbreak of this type was likely to do even before that. We didn't plan ahead. Instead we do what we always do. We built houses in flood plains in Houston where the water can't drain and we prayed the hurricane would never come.

This is why humans as a species are doomed and the United States as a country is on the brink.

 

[Kepler]

I'm pretty sure I read around here that everyone knew or should have known back in February and March how dangerous this would be, and anyone with even a half a brain and willing to act could have prevented all but just a few deaths in this country.

The doctors who had briefed Dump et al certainly knew. Dump and his cronies are apparently too craven to realize there is a difference between what they want and what reality is. Either that or they were busy doing market manipulation and didn't have time to warn people.

But hey, 4 more years, right?

You have a tough hand to play, my friend. I would sympathize if it weren't for, you know, all those deaths. Throwing that fit in 2016 sure showed us, eh?

 

[SJHovey]

And your point is what? Does that somehow excuse the more recent outbreaks and deaths when we know even more than we did in Feb and March?

Yea, we didn't do enough in Feb and March. Lots of people died. The fact that people are still getting sick and dying when we know more and have more actions is kind of bad, if you ask me.

My point is that Kep wants to give a pass to NY and NJ because they had their turn early on. They had their turn early on because they're the entry point for the world traveling to the US, and the world had it before us. But NY and NJ didn't handle this really any better than anyone else. They have a higher proportion of deaths only because the medical community has better figured out how to treat patients with the virus.

Everyone, sooner or later, was going to get their turn at this virus.

I was looking at this neat map that I'll link to below that showed the cases on a state or county basis since back at the beginning.

What is fun is to go back to say March 1, look at the map, then go to April 1, May 1, June 1, etc..., and watch the color patterns.

It starts in the Pacific Northwest. Next it's the Northeast.

By June the country settles way down, but then in July and August you see the entire southern 40% of the country bathed in dark colors.

From there it worked it's way into the midwest and upper midwest, where it's at now.

Yeah, if you're a state, you can take the edge off how hard it will hit you by requiring masks, reducing the number of people who are in businesses, etc..., but you're still going to get hit, and get hit hard.

Here is the link. https://covidcast.cmu.edu/?sensor=i...color&mode=overview&region=42003&signalR=true

 

[ScoobyDoo]

My point is that Kep wants to give a pass to NY and NJ because they had their turn early on. They had their turn early on because they're the entry point for the world traveling to the US, and the world had it before us. But NY and NJ didn't handle this really any better than anyone else. They have a higher proportion of deaths only because the medical community has better figured out how to treat patients with the virus.

Everyone, sooner or later, was going to get their turn at this virus.

I was looking at this neat map that I'll link to below that showed the cases on a state or county basis since back at the beginning.

What is fun is to go back to say March 1, look at the map, then go to April 1, May 1, June 1, etc..., and watch the color patterns.

It starts in the Pacific Northwest. Next it's the Northeast.

By June the country settles way down, but then in July and August you see the entire southern 40% of the country bathed in dark colors.

From there it worked it's way into the midwest and upper midwest, where it's at now.

Yeah, if you're a state, you can take the edge off how hard it will hit you by requiring masks, reducing the number of people who are in businesses, etc..., but you're still going to get hit, and get hit hard.

Here is the link. https://covidcast.cmu.edu/?sensor=i...color&mode=overview&region=42003&signalR=true

Thank you, Donald Trump Jr.

 

[Kepler]

My point is that Kep wants to give a pass to NY and NJ because they had their turn early on.

I did not say give a pass to, I said give them as asterisk. You can disagree. Bonds doesn't have an asterisk and I think he should. If you don't want to, so be it. The strongest argument is on your side: dead is dead.

Here are the state rankings for deaths and cases per capita, for the entire period:

Deaths:

[COLOR=#2980b9] 1. NY
 2. NJ
 3. MA
 4. CT[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#c0392b] 5. LA[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2980b9] 6. RI[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#c0392b] 7. MS[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2980b9] 8. DC[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#c0392b] 9. AZ[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2980b9]10. IL[/COLOR]

Cases:

[COLOR=#c0392b] 1. ND
 2. SD
 3. MS
 4. IA
 5. LA
 6. AL
 7. TN
 8. FL[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2980b9] 9. WI[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#c0392b]10. AR[/COLOR]

My contention is that the early states have high death per capita rates because doctors didn't have infrastructure up and running yet. OTOH, the dominance of red states among total cases tells me those are political decisions by their governments and people to flout mask and social distance requirements.

 

[Handyman]

"Rounding the corner toward herd mentality" is what he meant.

Whats sad is that is actually probably what he meant. there is a reason Dr. Birx is on the road giving advice, Fauci almost never talks to the President and Tony Atlas is always in Trump's ear.

And Hovey you knew what Kepler was saying. You cant hold NJ and NY to the same standards as we do Flo(R)ida or Texas and not because of political divide but because they had weeks of seeing what the disease could do AND what can be done to prevent it's spread and they chose not to do any of it with any sort of real effort. Then they stopped altogether and killed hundreds/thousands.

We screwed up in NY and NJ because we didn't do what truly must have been done and we didnt have the infrastructure in place to do it. (we can get into the "why" of that later) Now our infrastructure on testing and contact tracing still isnt anywhere close to where it should be but we know masks and social distancing and small gatherings are the best way to make it work. Meanwhile FL opened everything up and will hit over 800k cases rather soon and Texas will push a million soon. NY and NJ combined dont reach those numbers. California is in the same boat with the same criticisms.

 

[Swansong]

Having your first surge now, instead of early, is inexcusable to me. We don't know a lot about this virus, but we know a good deal about how it spreads and how to reduce that spread. There's no excuse for letting it go unchecked. None, whatsoever.

Also, death rate being lower now is wonderful news, and the places currently having issues can thank the earliest hit locations for learning how to treat COVID and passing along that information. We, as a country, are much better at preventing COVID deaths now than we were in March.

 

[Swansong]

Also, it's nonsense that there's nothing that can or could have been done to slow the spread. We're going to have vaccines (plural) within another couple of months. Public health measures like mask mandates and reduced occupancy go a long way in controlling the spread until we can vaccinate. The fact that the Administration got bored with it in April and decided, after the fact, that there was nothing to be done anyway doesn't change that.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Also, it's nonsense that there's nothing that can or could have been done to slow the spread. We're going to have vaccines (plural) within another couple of months. Public health measures like mask mandates and reduced occupancy go a long way in controlling the spread until we can vaccinate. The fact that the Administration got bored with it in April and decided, after the fact, that there was nothing to be done anyway doesn't change that.

And I think some of us with actual degrees and experience in epidemiology explained this back then too.

so sick of the bs that there wasn’t anything anyone could do to stop the spread. It’s as bad as pretending trickle down economics works

 

[SJHovey]

And I think some of us with actual degrees and experience in epidemiology explained this back then too.

so sick of the bs that there wasn’t anything anyone could do to stop the spread. It’s as bad as pretending trickle down economics works

Like we did here in Minnesota?

Look, I didn't object when Walz imposed his mask requirements, and I've dutifully worn my mask whenever I'm out. But what were we doing back when he implemented that ban, maybe 7-900 new cases per day? We're running what, maybe triple that right now?

Sure, if he hadn't implemented the ban there is a very good chance it would be even worse, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking we were going to stop this from spreading.

 

[Swansong]

It was never about stopping, it was about reduction and mitigation.

Also, to borrow a phrase from the right, laws are only as effective is peoples' willingness to follow them. If stores aren't requiring masks for customers or employees, no mandate will work.

COVID is one of those things where if we all worked together we could get through it relatively unscathed. Instead, we have 1/3 or more of the country that decided to be children.