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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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SJHovey said:
I do remember my friend asking me that, but I don't remember my specific post about it. I assume you or rufus have it saved somewhere and are ready to trot it out at a moments notice.

What was my number? I don't think it was the 20,000 figure because I think that was my guess on the deaths.

I have just always thought that the media, and a lot of people here, lose track of scale.

What if CNN each night started with, "OMG, 8000 people died in the US again today. What is that, 12,000 days in a row?"

I think I remember reading somewhere that something like 60 million people die each year in the world. My response was something like, "***, 60 million people?!?!" It's an incomprehensible number.

1800 people died of heart disease in the US yesterday. And the day before. And the day before that, and so on.

Yeah, it's all tragic when people die. It sucks when it's a loved one or a friend. But a little perspective is useful, too. I don't suggest that we all go cower in Trump's bunker because death is stalking us.
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Nah, I don’t have it. I called you out once, and provided evidence. It changed nothing, and that’s okay. It’s a message board. Since you explicitly call out Democrats on here as hypocritical, I figured you’d change your tone on the coronavirus, since you clearly underestimated it early on. But, you haven’t. Alas, you’re a hypocrite, just like the rest of us.
http://i.bittwiddlers.org/b/Lli

Anyways, Governor Beshear was on CNN again this morning. He makes me proud to be a Kentuckian. He’s done an excellent job, and he’s deft at dodging questions about Trump’s incompetence, since challenging Trump in a +30 Trump state is political suicide. He hugs the administration whenever he can, and credits them for ideas to keep the viral spread manageable.
 
alfablue said:
For pretty much every single way people die, there's a TON of research and prevention that goes on.

Thanks to lung cancer deaths, there are some pretty draconian tobacco laws and taxes. Thanks to car crashes, there are massive amounts of laws and regulations making cars safer. Thanks to other sicknesses, there are laws regulating air and water quality.

You pretend that deaths just happen and that we do nothing about them, when, in fact, there TONS of things going on to reduce those kinds of deaths. We have tons of work and laws around cancer, we have laws making it illegal to shoot another person... Some countries have even banned guns. We even have laws that prevent just INJURY- have you seen the OSHA rules that make your workplace safer??? We have laws that make electronics safer- and they are even rated. Not just for electrocution, but for radiation, too. How many people get electrocuted every year? Thanks to GFI outlets, that handful of people are now close to none.

The only death that we have no answer for is old age.

I can go on, but the idea that we don't care is very much not true. And that there's more than enough laws and regulations to save lives to justify some temporary ones for COVID-19. We spend trillions of dollars to keep people safe and alive.
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Ok, let me try this with something at least remotely similar to Covid.

I think everyone agrees that what, maybe 60,000 people die of the flu each year in this country alone. To combat this, we recommend flu shots, certainly for people of a certain age. We recommend covering your mouth when you sneeze, washing hands, etc...

60,000 deaths are a lot of people, just standing alone, right? Aren't those deaths tragic in their own right? Don't those deaths disproportionately hit at risk categories, like the aged.

Do we lock up nursing homes in response? Do we deny the elderly the chance to see their families? Do we lock up businesses and demand that everyone stay at home during flu season?

As someone pointed out, Covid gets into nursing homes by someone bringing it in. Isn't it the same with the flu? Might it not be an employee out at the bars trying to get laid? Shouldn't we lock down the bars and restaurants to prevent those tragic deaths?

We don't because as a society we've made the decision it isn't worth the cost. It's not that we want people to die of the flu. But we can't just shut down the country for 6 months a year and make everyone stay at home so that no one gets it.
 
psych said:
Nah, I don’t have it. I called you out once, and provided evidence. It changed nothing, and that’s okay. It’s a message board. Since you explicitly call out Democrats on here as hypocritical, I figured you’d change your tone on the coronavirus, since you clearly underestimated it early on. But, you haven’t. Alas, you’re a hypocrite, just like the rest of us.
http://i.bittwiddlers.org/b/Lli

Anyways, Governor Beshear was on CNN again this morning. He makes me proud to be a Kentuckian. He’s done an excellent job, and he’s deft at dodging questions about Trump’s incompetence, since challenging Trump in a +30 Trump state is political suicide. He hugs the administration whenever he can, and credits them for ideas to keep the viral spread manageable.
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How exactly did you "call me out," or am I a hypocrite?

Back in March someone asked me to guess how many deaths and I said 20,000. I've never denied that. If making a wrong guess or prediction about Covid back in March of this year makes one a hypocrite, well then I guess I'm a hypocrite, with a lot of company. Seems like an odd definition though.
 
SJHovey said:
How exactly did you "call me out," or am I a hypocrite?

Back in March someone asked me to guess how many deaths and I said 20,000. I've never denied that. If making a wrong guess or prediction about Covid back in March of this year makes one a hypocrite, well then I guess I'm a hypocrite, with a lot of company. Seems like an odd definition though.
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You claimed you didn’t say something. I showed you did. Right after I did it, I realized what a waste of time it was. I mean, like I said about Trump moving the Election Day, who cares?
You’re a hypocrite because you don’t admit when you’re wrong about something, yet you explicitly call people out on here for doing the same. It’s whatever man. I mean, that all said, I still appreciate a lot of your posts. I actually find myself agreeing with some of them, something I didn’t think I’d say. You’ll continue to post, I’ll continue to post, and life will go on.
 
SJHovey said:
Ok, let me try this with something at least remotely similar to Covid.

I think everyone agrees that what, maybe 60,000 people die of the flu each year in this country alone. To combat this, we recommend flu shots, certainly for people of a certain age. We recommend covering your mouth when you sneeze, washing hands, etc...

60,000 deaths are a lot of people, just standing alone, right? Aren't those deaths tragic in their own right? Don't those deaths disproportionately hit at risk categories, like the aged.

Do we lock up nursing homes in response? Do we deny the elderly the chance to see their families? Do we lock up businesses and demand that everyone stay at home during flu season?

As someone pointed out, Covid gets into nursing homes by someone bringing it in. Isn't it the same with the flu? Might it not be an employee out at the bars trying to get laid? Shouldn't we lock down the bars and restaurants to prevent those tragic deaths?

We don't because as a society we've made the decision it isn't worth the cost. It's not that we want people to die of the flu. But we can't just shut down the country for 6 months a year and make everyone stay at home so that no one gets it.
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And maybe in the future we can do that with this disease as well. Right now we cant because we don't know as much about it as we do the flu. Every time we pretend we do know something we find out something that completely contradicts what we thought we knew. Remember when the summer was supposed to be slower? That is why shutting down (which we never really did anyways) is the right decision. That is why the nations that did that have a much better grasp on the disease than we do. I mean you can't deny that at this point can you? Why are we so different from them? (outside of our off the charts selfishness and greed) We have seen a road map to how to manage this but we just ignore it because we think we are better. Well many of them have it licked and we havent even ended our first wave yet.

You keep conflating things that seem to be the same but ignoring the differences. I dont think you are doing it out of dishonesty but it is still there. It is the same game the deniers were playing early on where the compared the end results of other diseases to the beginning results of COVID. We arent in a position yet to have a more laissez faire attitude with this disease.
 
In a year, Ghoul Hovey. And as you at least mentioned, we do make efforts to keep that number low.

We've had two and a half times that number in five months.

And you don't believe anyone has any responsibility in trying to mitigate those numbers.

Sociopathic fuck.
 
Kepler said:
In all candor I would have a lot of trepidation getting a vaccine approved by this administration. The combination of ineptitude and political horror exceeds my tolerance levels.

Obviously once the adults are back in charge, and have done real science, I would have no issues.
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Agree with this. Anything they put out is going to be tainted by their ineptitude. The level of distrust (well earned) regarding they are doing is going to hamper legitimate efforts. I would be extremely leery to believe them. If I can stay inside my container to be safe this long I can wait longer to make sure I am not wasting the effort
 
Kepler said:
Hopefully, every Republican in this country gets COVID.
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Fvck that, COVID doesn't kill everybody.

Oh, and Board, despite dozens of new posts over the last two days, leswp1's post from 11;24 today was the first time in two days this thread showed up to me as containing new posts. Your upgrades are awful, but what is worse is your response to the many complaints has been virtually non-existent. It's my understanding you still have paying customers/posters on USCHO. You owe them something, at the very least. (And that was just me venting, because really, what is the likelihood anyone who can do anything about it is even bothering to check in?)
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
Fvck that, COVID doesn't kill everybody.

Oh, and Board, despite dozens of new posts over the last two days, leswp1's post from 11;24 today was the first time in two days this thread showed up to me as containing new posts. Your upgrades are awful, but what is worse is your response to the many complaints has been virtually non-existent. It's my understanding you still have paying customers/posters on USCHO. You owe them something, at the very least. (And that was just me venting, because really, what is the likelihood anyone who can do anything about it is even bothering to check in?)
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FWIW, no one has been charged for Extra in years, so none of us are paying customers anymore.
 
alfablue said:
It will move to the top of the list every time someone posts something new, even if it does not show it.

But the next problems is the farthest you can go is the last post that you see- which can be 2-3 pages behind where the actual conversation is.

This new board sucks pretty badly. Until it's fixed, there's no way I'm turning off the ad blocker.
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Actually mine does that when it is a poster I have blocked. The thread showed the last post was early yesterday by a poster I most certainly do not have blocked, and it hovered around the middle and bottom of the page until I noticed that a new post had been added at 11:24. And Fade, someone did comment about being a paying customer on the "this forum blows cheese" thread. I was never a paying customer so not sure when or what changed.
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
Actually mine does that when it is a poster I have blocked. The thread showed the last post was early yesterday by a poster I most certainly do not have blocked, and it hovered around the middle and bottom of the page until I noticed that a new post had been added at 11:24. And Fade, someone did comment about being a paying customer on the "this forum blows cheese" thread. I was never a paying customer so not sure when or what changed.
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I look up under notifications- it will tell me if anyone has posted but if it is someone I have blocked it tells me I don't have access and I have to jump thru hoops to find it
 
When I post I always refresh to bring mine to the top because I have ADD. In doing so they all reorder. Since I started doing this (on day 2) I have had zero problems with posts not appearing.

I am only talking about PC. I do not look at sites on phone as I have graduated elementary school and not been involved in a cognitively debilitating accident with farm equipment.
 
Kepler said:
When I post I always refresh to bring mine to the top because I have ADD. In doing so they all reorder. Since I started doing this (on day 2) I have had zero problems with posts not appearing.

I am only talking about PC. I do not look at sites on phone as I have graduated elementary school and not been involved in a cognitively debilitating accident with farm equipment.
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