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Your 2012 Cycling Thread

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sagard said:
He could take down AC. Make the clen look like child's play I bet.
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No question. Generally I try to avoid the doping talk here because it's sort of like how the media only decides to get wound up about hockey when some idiot hacks someone, but this entire thing is downright fascinating. If everything spills the clen will look like it actually came from a steak, relatively. Wonderboy is a ticking timebomb. The big thing here is that what he has on the UCI could be downright ridiculous.

You watch...his justification is that he's going to try to save cycling by bringing the whole house down in order to save the sport that allowed him to fight cancer. The cancer shield is going to get thrown all over the place. Maybe not in this Oprah deal, but soon enough...

Edit: And I won't even get into the fraud that is Livestrong, but that's what he's going to do.
 
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XYZ said:
It's a big complicated mess, but the crux here is that Lance will never do anything other than what's best for Lance. It would take a very long essay to explain it all, but it's quite plausible that considering the point this has gotten to, blowing the whole works open now won't cost him any more in the long run than trying to keep the act up. His team of handlers and lawyers is no group of fools (look up Mark Fabiani). The guy might be a POS, but he's a smart one, and one thing he doesn't do is take action by accident.
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This. And as for my last post about "heroes," I mean, we all know the French hate Americans dominating their race (see: Greg LeMond), so for some of us, it DID seem like a witch hunt. And to add cancer to the mix? That's just storybook. Hindsight? Yes, we were fools. But it's no less disappointing and heartbreaking. Lance is looking out for Lance right now (well........especially right now), to save any kind of face he has left, which is none.
 
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Brenthoven said:
so for some of us, it DID seem like a witch hunt.
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Perhaps, but to be fair the information was all readily available by the time of L.A. Confidentiel at the latest. To also be fair, the fact the American media bought and sold the lie (sometimes knowingly) to the masses who don't follow the sport closely made it pretty tough for the average fan to realize all this.
 
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XYZ said:
Perhaps, but to be fair the information was all readily available by the time of L.A. Confidentiel at the latest. To also be fair, the fact the American media bought and sold the lie (sometimes knowingly) to the masses who don't follow the sport closely made it pretty tough for the average fan to realize all this.
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I will concede that, as an average fan.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I will concede that, as an average fan.
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Go google what he did to Filippo Simeoni. Had there ever been any doubt in anyone's mind it should have ended right there. Naturally, the slop-sucking American media paid it no mind.
 
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Pretty sure the French loved Lemond. Not when he was going head to head with Hinault, but overall as a person and rider, he was pretty popular with the French.
 
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XYZ said:
Also looks like he's going to testify against a variety of people. Going to take the whole UCI house down with him, which is needed anyway, but man, what a ****show this guy is...
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It occurs to me that Lance just might be a sociopath.

If you think about how he's reputed to relate to people, doesn't that make sense? (edit: I see later you agree with me.)

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Because he is incapable of being the pariah.
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One of the Houston newspaper sports guys wrote an article on it today, his thesis is that Lance defines himself through the competitions and can't live without them. The problem isn't being a pariah per se, it's that being a pariah locks him out of the triathlons.
 
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Craig P. said:
One of the Houston newspaper sports guys wrote an article on it today, his thesis is that Lance defines himself through the competitions and can't live without them. The problem isn't being a pariah per se, it's that being a pariah locks him out of the triathlons.
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No doubt he wants that as well, but he also feels he is the victim here and has been treated unfairly so he's going to torch the whole UCI barn to deflect attention and culpability now that, as of this Oprah interview, his PR bid for redemption is all systems go.


rufus said:
Pretty sure the French loved Lemond. Not when he was going head to head with Hinault, but overall as a person and rider, he was pretty popular with the French.
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Pretty sure this is correct.
 
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YES!

He's still a sociopath but at least he is admitting it.
Hope he apologizes to O'Reilly, the Andreus, the Lemonds, and all the others that he wronged.


ERRR... EDIT: Yeah, he's back to lying again. Didn't dope after '05, yeah, right.
 
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I think that the whole point of this interview is so that he can admit to doping until 2005 then accept a backdated suspension of 8 years that would expire in 2013.
 
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I didn't plan to watch the interview but it was fascinating. I was surprised just how much he did admit to.
 
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Titleist said:
I think that the whole point of this interview is so that he can admit to doping until 2005 then accept a backdated suspension of 8 years that would expire in 2013.
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Yup. The sad, pathetic redemption tour is on. An hour to go tomorrow...and she better the f ask him about LeMond.

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Didn't dope after '05, yeah, right.
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Another obvious mistake was the claim the UCI "donation" was requested by UCI after his retirement. Uh, no...that all started in 2001. Someone needs to tell him, Hein Verdruggen and Fat Pat to get the story straight because it's been all over the place the past month or so.

Overall, he was probably more forthcoming than the johnny-come-latelys might have expected, but that was littered with lies. If you watch the SCA deposition and now this, it's painfully clear that every time he prefaces a statement with "absolutely"...he's lying. Go check it out. Helps break through the chunder.

Quasi related: Today's news that Jim Ochowicz was running Verbruggen's investments for him is rather...I'm not sure what, but it ain't good.
 
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I thought another big error was when he said the "I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles" speech was forced on him by the ASO. As I recall, he asked for the mic that day.

Still the best line I saw of the night was an online poster who said something to the effect of: "I understand it now, he rode down Simeoni to tell him that he was his hero. It all makes sense now."

Well at least he didn't call Betsy Andreu fat.
 
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Haven't seen it yet(I set the DVR to record it, but for some reason, it didn't. Recording both tonight), but didn't he say something like he only doped for training, but raced clean?

So how'd his 1999 samples come up later to test positive?
 
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rufus said:
Haven't seen it yet(I set the DVR to record it, but for some reason, it didn't. Recording both tonight), but didn't he say something like he only doped for training, but raced clean?

So how'd his 1999 samples come up later to test positive?
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He did indeed say that. Not sure I have an explanation beyond the fact that he's full of it. Paired up with his claim that he didn't dope during the second comeback...it's laughable.

The facts say otherwise in rather resounding fashion. (Not in the mood to find the original which I recall from a month or two ago, but was aware that site re-posted it today)

Watching part II right now. Far more of a joke than Part I was.
 
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Ha, just named a bunch of people and said he owes them apologies..."when they're ready." Pretty sure it's not on them, buddy. What are we at, 11 years now since LeMond expressed disappointment upon learning that Wonderboy was working with Ferrari?
 
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