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Yale - The best team in the country?

Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

That's pretty much what you're saying, yes. The only argument against Yale that I've seen here is that "they play an easy schedule" and the rational thought train stops right there without any additional critical thinking - especially from you.

You could try to focus on WHAT is said and stop focusing so much on what was pretty much said. Their SOS argument is valid. THey are a top 10 team, they maybe the best team but until the play a few of the stronger teams I'm not ready to crown them #1 just yet. If you want to schedule some exhibitions against UMD, BC, DU, and BU over the X-mas break we can take this up again in Jan. Otherwise go toke your peace pipe and fade back into that hazed induced delusional world where wins over teams ranked 40 or below indicate you are the best team in the country.
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Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

You seem to talk about "butthurt" an awful lot. Did you do time in the big house or something? Or is experiencing butthurt and becoming a subject matter expert one of your hobbies?

No, just that you and your kind seem to be exhibiting quite a bit of it. Just attack me. That's proving your point extra well.
 
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

You could try to focus on WHAT is said and stop focusing so much on what was pretty much said. Their SOS argument is valid. THey are a top 10 team, they maybe the best team but until the play a few of the stronger teams I'm not ready to crown them #1 just yet.

OK, sorry. You aren't just pretty much using that as your only crutch, you ARE using that as your only crutch. Feel better? Plenty of computer rankings out there already factor SOS into their calculations and still peg Yale as the best in the nation. Your argument is extremely thin, yet you cite it over and over again with nothing else to go on.

If you want to schedule some exhibitions against UMD, BC, DU, and BU over the X-mas break we can take this up again in Jan.

First he complains about strawman arguments, then he makes one himself. Brilliant! I love you, jcarter. Don't ever change.
 
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...almost every Yale fan on here is acting like a ****ing moron.

Lighten up, my friend. You are coming on pretty strong. I was just having a little fun with the comparative scores ...

I want also to acknowledge that the title of this thread, while obviously provocative, is more than a little annoying. Of course it can't be "proven" that Yale is better than any top team it hasn't played, or vice versa, and it can't be "proved" that Yale is the best team in the country. But I don't think any Yale fan on this board (including the poor guy who started the thread) thinks Yale is or will be the best team in the ECAC or in the East or in the country until they prove it on the ice in March and April. Frankly, some of us Yale fans are simply grateful that we still have a program and we're not getting blown out in our own league. There is plenty more hockey to be played and the only result that matters is the one on the ice.

Of course comparative scores don't prove anything. I guess I was trying to get a rise and I guess I might have succeeded...But neither do your arguments that although UMD, for example, lost one game to an opponent, it won another, so the loss doesn't count. A loss is a loss.

The fact remains that Yale has beaten teams that have beaten UMD and other perennially strong (or recently strong) western programs.

At the end of the day having a stronger ECACH (with improved programs not only at Yale, but at Rensselear, Union and Dartmouth, all of whom were ranked last week) can only be good for our great sport. It will create more interest in intersectional games and perhaps more surprising results. In particular, perhaps more tickets will be sold for the NCAA regionals (especially here in the East) which could lead to more and better media and television coverage. My hope is that the more broadly popular the game becomes, the more talented kids will decide to go the college route (and forgo juniors and minor pro) and the better the game will be...for all of us.

We're just proud of our guys and proud of the amazing progress that Keith and the coaches and the athletic administration have made in our program. And the team is really fun to watch. They play a very up tempo skilled game and there are a bunch of skilled guys who are pretty magical around the net. (Our team has weaknesses, too, no question.) I'm looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.
 
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Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

No, just that you and your kind seem to be exhibiting quite a bit of it. Just attack me. That's proving your point extra well.

I think you are misguided at best if you think people are "butthurt" about anything college hockey related in freaking early December. The point remains, Yale has played no one and hasn't proven themselves.

Yale supporters and even some resident ECAC tards say, "Yale has not proven they are UNworthy of being the top team."

Everyone else is saying, "Beat someone that is a legitimate team to show you ARE worthy." (Note: big problem here is when some tard goes... "Yea but they beat nationally ranked Union" and then everyone with a brain that follows a real league shakes their head)

It's as simple as that. Glass half-full vs. glass half-empty. Boise State of college hockey. I'll take the SEC team that goes 11-1 over an undefeated Boise any day as would anyone outside of Idaho. You see what I'm saying here?
 
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

I want also to acknowledge that the title of this thread, while obviously provocative, is more than a little annoying. Of course it can't be "proven" that Yale is better than any top team it hasn't played, or vice versa, and it can't be "proved" that Yale is the best team in the country. But I don't think any Yale fan on this board (including the poor guy who started the thread) thinks Yale is or will be the best team in the ECAC or in the East or in the country until they prove it on the ice in March and April.
Glad to hear that. Personally Yale should win out.

Of course comparative scores don't prove anything.
thankyou, I'll remember you said that.

The fact remains that Yale has beaten teams that have beaten UMD and other perennially strong (or recently strong) western programs.

Brilliant observation.

My hope is that the more broadly popular the game becomes, the more talented kids will decide to go the college route (and forgo juniors) and the better the game will be...for all of us.
Agreed.

We're just proud of our guys and proud of the amazing progress that Keith and the coaches and the athletic administration have made in our program. And the team is really fun to watch. They play a very up tempo skilled game and there are a bunch of skilled guys who are pretty magical around the net. (Our team has weaknesses, too, no question.) I'm looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.

Undoubtedly Yale has a lot of skill guys who can skate and are good around the net. The thing is having a weak schedule is a detriment down the road. Most of the other top teams, even in the east play other top teams regularly. Look at Maine's schedule and contrast it with yours. There are a lot more opportunities to lose there. You will most likely get the top seed in the east and be in a pool with Denver, Miami and BU. Good luck then.
 
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Why, certainly!

HEAL, developed by Wayne T. Smith, takes into account not only how many games a team has won, but which opponents they have beaten (you know, kind of like factoring in strength of schedule).

CHODR (College Hockey Offensive/Defensive Rankings) was developed by Dr. Robin Lock at St. Lawrence University. It takes into account the actual score of each game as well as home-ice advantage. The product of Team A's offensive rating and Team B's defensive rating estimates the number of goals Team A will score on Team B.

CCHP, developed by Eric Carlson at the University of Alaska-Fairbanks, uses a similar approach to CHODR, but applies an additive model rather than a multiplicative model.

There are a couple of rankings actually used by the NCAA in tournament placement. It's a little early for them to be firm determinations of who's in the tournament and who's not, but here they are as they currently exist - the Ratings Percentage Index (RPI) and the PairWise Rankings.

And finally, KRACH is considered one of the most objective rankings out there. It uses the Bradley-Terry method (logistic regression). It means that KRACH, unlike many ratings (including RPI), cannot easily be distorted by teams with strong records against weak opposition.

(KRACH can also be adjusted for home-ice advantage, known as KASA.)

Whoops, that was more than three. My bad.


Oh, I'm going to love to see you point out where I've attacked anyone. Using facts and logic doesn't count, junior.

I think you are misguided at best if you think people are "butthurt" about anything college hockey related in freaking early December.

I make the comment only based on my observations. Plenty of people, including yourself, seem very stirred up over this.

The point remains, Yale has played no one and hasn't proven themselves.

Subjective argument. If you were to make this into an objective argument, you'd just be coming right back to the strength of schedule point that has already been made and refuted.

Yale supporters and even some resident ECAC tards say, "Yale has not proven they are UNworthy of being the top team."

Cute, using an epithet to cast doubt on the veracity of the statement. Very interesting literary device you use there.

Everyone else is saying, "Beat someone that is a legitimate team to show you ARE worthy." (Note: big problem here is when some tard goes... "Yea but they beat nationally ranked Union" and then everyone with a brain that follows a real league shakes their head)

Again, the use of putdowns to try to make a point that, if it could be made, would be better made using objective language. I'm sorry that Union isn't BU and/or doesn't play in Hockey East. It doesn't mean they can't potentially be considered a very solid program, as most objective observers are already saying.

It's as simple as that. Glass half-full vs. glass half-empty. Boise State of college hockey. I'll take the SEC team that goes 11-1 over an undefeated Boise any day as would anyone outside of Idaho. You see what I'm saying here?

No, I don't, because A) there are plenty of people outside of Idaho that felt the Broncos, when they were undefeated, were the best team in college football, and B) the comparison to Boise State is difficult to make because Boise wasn't popping up at the top of any objective ranking system at any time.
 
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

The fact remains that Yale has beaten teams that have beaten UMD and other perennially strong (or recently strong) western programs.

This is wrong. UMD has lost to North Dakota and Denver. Yale has not beaten either of those teams this season.

Like I said in a previous post, and has been said quite a bit in this thread, Yale has to "earn" their respect in March and April. They earned some last year, but not until they win the title this April will people actually think they are the best team in the country. Saying that, Yale will win a bunch of games and rack up the scores in the next few months, so enjoy the ride.
 
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This is wrong. UMD has lost to North Dakota and Denver. Yale has not beaten either of those teams this season.

FS23: You're right! I guess I should have said (as I did in my earlier post) that Yale has beaten teams that have beaten teams that have beaten UMD. No matter. My point was that...oh well, you know my point!

Red Cloud: Wow! I know, having followed the Yale program for 15 years, where we have been and how far we've come. I have been out to Ingalls and seen them close up three times this season and I have been impressed. And when we rolled over CC a few days after CC whomped DU, I knew we could compete with anyone, but a small part of me also knows that our SOS is not as strong as others. So I am pretty surprised that every one of the computer models ranks Yale #1, taking SOS into account. I guess we will see how important SOS is as the season unfolds. I am curious, if you know, how much SOS has correlated with national championships and Frozen Four appearances the past few years? For example, if you take the rankings including SOS at the end of the regular season, before the playoffs, and then look at who goes to the FF and who wins, can you draw any conclusions about SOS?
 
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

Undoubtedly Yale has a lot of skill guys who can skate and are good around the net. The thing is having a weak schedule is a detriment down the road. Most of the other top teams, even in the east play other top teams regularly. Look at Maine's schedule and contrast it with yours. There are a lot more opportunities to lose there. You will most likely get the top seed in the east and be in a pool with Denver, Miami and BU. Good luck then.

BLASTHEMY! (i admittedly don't know if i spelled that right, so...chirp away)

EVERYONE knows only UND gets the regional of DEATH every year. :rolleyes::D
 
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

You will most likely get the top seed in the east and be in a pool with Denver, Miami and BU. Good luck then.

Right now they are the #1 overall seed and are paired with the AHA Champ, UNO and Union in Bridgeport.
 
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