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Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread

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On this one I would really have to take you to task. If you think getting more tough practices is better than winning this series and going into the NCAA's with a first round loss under your belt then I think you better think again. There is NO tough practice that is going to do more for your team than coming back and winning this series and going into the NCAA tournament with momentum and good feelings.

On this I completely agree. A loss in this series would be just shy of devastating. I think the thought may be that the same thing happened last year and look what we did in the NCAA's. But this team has been saying all year that there is unfinished business. That unfinished business includes winning the ECAC tournament.

As far as the game is concerned last night it's true that Yale had the territorial advantage for most of the game, but championship teams finish other teams off when they have them down. SLU stepped up their game in the 3rd and Yale didn't respond. So all of that good work in periods 1 and 2 was negated by 12 minutes or so of unfocused hockey in the 3rd.

SLU is a good skating team. Teams that skate well tend to give Yale trouble because skating is usually a significant advantage for Yale against any other team. No disrespect to SLU, but if Yale skates for 60 minutes they should win in this matchup. We will see if they are up to the task tonight.
 
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SLU is a good skating team. Teams that skate well tend to give Yale trouble because skating is usually a significant advantage for Yale against any other team. No disrespect to SLU, but if Yale skates for 60 minutes they should win in this matchup. We will see if they are up to the task tonight.

I fully agree, Yale is, talent-wise, head and shoulders above SLU. However, as is almost the story in every ECAC game, hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. SLU was able to hang around just long enough to get to OT, where anything can (and did) happen. Looking forward to tonight's game again, and honestly fully expecting to be coming up there Sunday as well.
 
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Let's be fair--Yale didn't deserve to lose this game, nor did St. Lawrence deserve to win. It was a fluky game and a lot of things had to happen for Yale to lose. Now Yale didn't do everything it could to avoid the loss: sitting on its heels in the third, not finishing on two breakaways. And the Saints helped themselves by never giving up and putting pucks on net.

I don't mean to say that St. Lawrence shouldn't've won or won't win again. I just think if last night's performances were extrapolated to nine or ten periods I would expect Yale to win at least twice.

It's going to be an exciting game tonight.
 
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On this I completely agree. A loss in this series would be just shy of devastating. I think the thought may be that the same thing happened last year and look what we did in the NCAA's. But this team has been saying all year that there is unfinished business. That unfinished business includes winning the ECAC tournament.



SLU is a good skating team. Teams that skate well tend to give Yale trouble because skating is usually a significant advantage for Yale against any other team. No disrespect to SLU, but if Yale skates for 60 minutes they should win in this matchup. We will see if they are up to the task tonight.

I expect us to be under seige tonight and as hot as Weninger was last night he cannot keep that pace up with all those quality chances. Last night we got some bounces and a couple of softies. Read Greg Carey's quote on the ECAC summary where he says something to the effect were it not for Wenny Ylae could have been up 6-1 or 7-1 before Bogosian scored the second goal.

I am not going to quote the entire thread above, even though Yale had it's share of PP goals I feel at least one serious penalty against LSU went unserved. When Agostino was hit in the head so hard that he basically ran off the ice without his equipment, also the hooking penalty on O'Neill which was caused by the LSU player holding O'Neiils stick. Overall the officiating was mediocre, just what we are to expect in this league.

Honestly everyone in our section didn't see the hit on Agostino. We just saw the end result. With two officials one would think if it was something egregious they would have called something. You saw it.....we didn't see the hit. I think Tim is spot on.......there were several calls missed both ways.
I can only hope they call it the same way tonight because if it turns into a march to the penalty box........SLU will lose and lose badly.
I don't want to quote the officials names but I have seen quite a few games called where one of those on ice referee's always seems to be the "dominant" official of the duo. I saw a couple of games up in Canton where his officiating partner called next to nothing........and the other guy called everything. Why that is perplexes me.

We all went out to Archie Moore's for a bite and a brew after the game and we saw the officiating crew in there. We all practiced amazing restraint in not walking over to their table and offering our glasses to read the menu. :) Or, in making any other comments.

The only way we can hang with your team is if we stay out of the box. A lot of that falls on us.......but a ton of it depends on how they call the game. If they call every little ticky tack thing, it will be a long couple of nights for us. We HAVE TO stay out of the box.
 
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I thought Broc actually played his best game in awhile, even back checked alittle.

Lots of missed penalties, especially the elbow to Cahills head right before the end of the 2nd.
The OT goal was almost a repeat of Colgate's tying goal 2 weeks ago. Only it was Trentowski getting burned this time instead of Matczak.
It also seems we need our skates sharpened alittle better, lots of guys losing edges last night.
 
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Listened to the game last night, B2 screwed me again , took my money, than when I clicked on to view, they told me my account wasn't for that event ???? So I ended up listening to Greg and Wally. Did watch the replay video on the winning goal about a dozen times and couldn't believe that your wing just took a leisurely skate behind Carey as he took off for the net. Both - D - covered Kyle F. and Carey was home free.In a situation like that you'd better backcheck . Just my simple opinion.Yale has got a very good team and should win the next two with no trouble but this is playoff hockey and SLU is hungry-----
 
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Another good game by Little tonight, he seems to be rerieving his scoring touch at just the right time. Yale only really broke down for a few minutes in the second period, Rondeau played well and the second goal was very fluky on a fluttering deflection, the forechecking was the game changer tonight, Yales tenacity obviously frustrated slu which led to a bunch of stupid penalties by the saints. VERY chippy game with a lot of head shots by slu, that said two slu players were injurted and had to leave the game due to hard hits. Should be a rough one on Synday.
 
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The game was far rougher than it needed to be because the pathetic officiating crew completely ignored a number of borderline to clear penalties, particularly in the 2nd period. From my perspective, SLU got chippy when the game started to get out of hand, then Yale retaliated, in a if you can't beat em, join em mindset. Yale is not generally a physical team, but you could see their frustration with the lack of calls leading to big hits by Cahill, Ziegler, Bourbonais, and Martin. The injury to SLU's defenseman in the second was truly scary, and I'm not sure if the hit was a penalty, but I am quite sure that wouldn't have happened if the crew, particularly Ritchie, had called a few of the obvious elbowing and boarding penalties that happened earlier in the 2nd period. I'm not really sure what game Ritchie in particular was watching. He had to see the penalties that were occurring, but he swallowed his whistle for the entire game. It's hard to believe that these guys even get paid. It looked like they weren't even trying to call the game properly. This is no knock on SLU by the way. I thought they played well, and given their ability to counterpunch, I only felt comfortable after Broc's goal made it 5-2. Not sure what led to Broc getting the 10 minute misconduct. He was getting mugged all night and his pushing back after that play ended was justified, in my opinion.

I do not expect Yale to have an easy time of it tomorrow. They will need to play with this same level of intensity tomorrow night to win the series.

And to all the ECAC pot shot artists, who love to make fun of fans of ECAC teams calling the league a meatgrinder, all four Qfinal series are headed to a 3rd game. There is no other league in college hockey that has this level of parity.
 
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Watched on the internet, CGYF. The hit on Baker looked clean to me. The problem was that he didn't see it coming because he was engaged with another player. Litlle got the 10 minute for mouthing off to the the official from the penalty box right after he went in. That was clear. I agree from my fuzzy view that it just looked like a game that got out of hand on both sides. But when two pretty nonphysical teams start getting chippy, they just don't have the bulk to really carry it off. Well, that's how it looked at the Lo-Res computer level anyway. Hope to see everybody tomorrow. I'll be the one in the Y78 cap.
 
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And to all the ECAC pot shot artists, who love to make fun of fans of ECAC teams calling the league a meatgrinder, all four Qfinal series are headed to a 3rd game. There is no other league in college hockey that has this level of parity.

Well, that's just silly, you're not the only ones who have all terrible teams in your conference, so does AHA.
 
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Another good game by Little tonight, he seems to be rerieving his scoring touch at just the right time. Yale only really broke down for a few minutes in the second period, Rondeau played well and the second goal was very fluky on a fluttering deflection, the forechecking was the game changer tonight, Yales tenacity obviously frustrated slu which led to a bunch of stupid penalties by the saints. VERY chippy game with a lot of head shots by slu, that said two slu players were injurted and had to leave the game due to hard hits. Should be a rough one on Synday.

For the last two years I have sung the praises of the Ylae hockey team....raved about their skill, passing, offense and although an SLU fan I have cheered for them when not playing us and in particular cheered for them when they have played out of conference and in the NCAA Tournament. I will not cheer for them again.

I have played nice on this thread and I do not care what you say, how you respond, what name calling you resort to, or what arguments you might pose......but by your above post you have proven you know little to nothing about the sport of hockey. You have perhaps one fact correct in that Yale's forecheck and tenacity made a difference. The rest of your post is poppycock and totally inaccurate.
Ylae's tenacity did not frustrate the Saints. What frustrated the Saints was one of the worst officiating jobs I have seen. Whittemore and Ritchey let the game get totally out of control. Whittemore in particular is incompetent and shouldn't be allowed to referee a Squirts game let alone an ECAC Playoff game.

He let call after call slide........he missed a call on us when we hit a Ylae player on an icing who was no where near the puck. The first "Interference" call he makes on us Child has his back to a Ylae player who runs up his back and Child gets called for Interference. With the score 2-1....a Ylae player pitchforked our D-Man in the corner who had the puck, he calls nothing and on the same play Ylae scores to go up 3-1 when instead they should have been down a man.
The most egregious non call was the hit on Justin Baker. Baker should have had his head up but he was engaged/tangled with a Ylae player and in comes in another Ylae player (might have been Ziegler) with a vicsious knee on knee hit sent Baker to the hospital with what is likely a broken fibula. What should have been a major penalty of 5 minutes and nothing is called. (Hard hit my as_, try dirty hit)

As to the game, Ylae buried their chances tonight and when they had the opportunities they capitalized. On the other hand unlike last night (although the scoreboard didn't reflect it) I felt the play was much more even.

As to what REALLY happened at the game. SLU knows that Ylae is more talented and although we can skate with them, in order for us to have a chance we have to take Ylae off their game, play physical, check like crazy and hope for a few breaks. What happened is that Ylae does not like to be hit and they (like any team should or would) responded in kind and Whittemore did nothing to control the play.
What I did not care for was the constant "yapping" and complaining by Ylae's players......the worst of which were Little, Martin and Allain. Kearney was diving so much Whittemore should be equipped with cards to rate them..........say 9.5!!!! I have never seen such poor sportsmanship and such whining and complaining as shown by Ylae tonight. Tonight I lost all respect for the Ylae team.

We all see what we want to see and we all are partisan.....me for SLU and you for Ylae......but your post bears no resemblance to the veracity of what transpired tonight. Was SLU guiltless?? Of course not but just because SLU played physical does not mean they played dirty.

And lastly I am rapidly losing respect for Allain. Besides his screaming at the officials and his coaches yapping all night long, now after both games..........our coach who is literally hobbling around in pain walked out on the ice towards the Ylae bench to shake hands.......for two nights in a row.....Allain acknowledges with a nod or a wave and leaves the bench to the locker room. It is no wonder Allain is quickly approaching Pecknold status in his likeability factor and sportsmanship.
 
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From my perspective, SLU got chippy when the game started to get out of hand, then Yale retaliated, in a if you can't beat em, join em mindset. Y Not sure what led to Broc getting the 10 minute misconduct. He was getting mugged all night and his pushing back after that play ended was justified, in my opinion.

I agree with your post and you make excellent points (unlike the other poster I just commented about). I didn't think SLU got chippy after we fell behind. We have players like Wick, Essery, Mobley, Armstrong and Dyer who are going to hit anything that moves. We lack the "skill" level your team has and frankly several of our players can only do what they can do and that is check and play physical. (Essery and Wick are not in that category and Essery although only a freshman will be a huge asset in the three years to come). Wick just flat out likes to hit people and 95% of the time they are clean checks.

As to why Little got the misconduct.......you could clearly see him yapping at the referee and he (like the rest of us SLU fans) were certainly tired of his complaining all night long. Sorry to be blunt but that's why he got the misconduct and he along with way too many Ylae players were yapping, jawing and complaining the entire game.

Again........I agree with your post and you make valid points about the referee's. I commented to some Ylae fans I saw after the game that I have seen these two in action before and for some reason Whittemore is always the "dominant" referee. He calls the majority of all the penalties and it seems Ritchey is along for the ride.
 
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For the last two years I have sung the praises of the Ylae hockey team....raved about their skill, passing, offense and although an SLU fan I have cheered for them when not playing us and in particular cheered for them when they have played out of conference and in the NCAA Tournament. I will not cheer for them again.....

As to what REALLY happened at the game. SLU knows that Ylae is more talented and although we can skate with them, in order for us to have a chance we have to take Ylae off their game, play physical, check like crazy and hope for a few breaks.

Crit, sorry you won't be cheering for us, but I think we can survive that. Having watched Yale all year, I agree with some of your comments, and it was clear to me that SLU came out trying to send a message and intimidate. To do so, there was loads of extra hits many of which including leading with high elboys, grabbing, and even extra pucnhes to the head during scrums. This was successful and resulted in Yale players complaining to the refs. When this had no effects and SLU continued, then Yale complained a little more, and when nothing changed they got ****ed off. As a result a Yale team that usually doesn't focus on finishing off hard checks, or giving that extra shot when available, decided that they were going to do that and then do it again, and then do it some more.

I hate to see anyone get hurt, an no one should be happy with that, but if you are going to set the kind of tone SLU did, then you better not take for granted that Yale will just roll over and let you do what you want, and to the end, you better keep your head up.

By the way, it's a playoff series, we shake hands at the end. Should be a great game tonight.
 
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I think we can all agree that the officiating was awful and the Yale players need to stop throwing there arms up in frustration after every play, but exactly what should have been the call on Ziegler? The play was directly in front of me and it wasnt a penalty. The SLU player was skating with his head down being chased from behind and saw the hit coming at the very last second second and tried to move out of the way and it made things look very awkward. I felt awful for the player as he was in alot pain, but it wasnt a penalty.

Does anyone know what happened to Mason? He left in the second and never came back.
 
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As for Coach Allain, I am sure he could be tough to take from the outside, but as a Yale fan it is difficult to not like what he has done to the program.
And it is standard practice in a playoff series that coaches (and players) do not shake hands until after the deciding game of the series. I am sure win or lose tonight Coach Allain will walk to center ice and and shake hands with Coach Marsh.
 
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Does anyone know what happened to Mason? He left in the second and never came back.

Mason was the victim of a vicious butt end spear to the lower left abdomen right in front of the Yale Band. My brother and I were both aghast that no referee saw the obvious intent to injure that took place during a stoppage. I would think the trainers were concerned about internal injury. It was that type of play that lowered my opinion of the SLU players last night.
 
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For the last two years I have sung the praises of the Ylae hockey team....raved about their skill, passing, offense and although an SLU fan I have cheered for them when not playing us and in particular cheered for them when they have played out of conference and in the NCAA Tournament. I will not cheer for them again.

I appreciate you past support, if last nights game, and my opinion are going to change your mind about Yale, so be it.

I have played nice on this thread and I do not care what you say, how you respond, what name calling you resort to, or what arguments you might pose......but by your above post you have proven you know little to nothing about the sport of hockey. You have perhaps one fact correct in that Yale's forecheck and tenacity made a difference. The rest of your post is poppycock and totally inaccurate.
Ylae's tenacity did not frustrate the Saints. What frustrated the Saints was one of the worst officiating jobs I have seen. Whittemore and Ritchey let the game get totally out of control. Whittemore in particular is incompetent and shouldn't be allowed to referee a Squirts game let alone an ECAC Playoff game.

I agree that the officiating was terrible and am hoarse from screaming at Whittemore, my comment about SLU getting chippy after Yale took the quick 4-1 lead is valid IMO, the head high checks and runs were so obvious that an SLU player hurt himself after missing an attempt to board a Yalie. I hope that one tough game will not spoil a nice relationship that Yale fans and yourself have had, I will not resort to name calling (I reserve that for particular NoDak fans), but please do not disparage my knowledge of hockey or what I feel took place last night, we can all have our opinions. The worst part about the game last night was that three kids were seriously hurt and for that I blame the refs.

He let call after call slide........he missed a call on us when we hit a Ylae player on an icing who was no where near the puck. The first "Interference" call he makes on us Child has his back to a Ylae player who runs up his back and Child gets called for Interference. With the score 2-1....a Ylae player pitchforked our D-Man in the corner who had the puck, he calls nothing and on the same play Ylae scores to go up 3-1 when instead they should have been down a man.
The most egregious non call was the hit on Justin Baker. Baker should have had his head up but he was engaged/tangled with a Ylae player and in comes in another Ylae player (might have been Ziegler) with a vicsious knee on knee hit sent Baker to the hospital with what is likely a broken fibula. What should have been a major penalty of 5 minutes and nothing is called. (Hard hit my as_, try dirty hit)

As to the game, Ylae buried their chances tonight and when they had the opportunities they capitalized. On the other hand unlike last night (although the scoreboard didn't reflect it) I felt the play was much more even.

As to what REALLY happened at the game. SLU knows that Ylae is more talented and although we can skate with them, in order for us to have a chance we have to take Ylae off their game, play physical, check like crazy and hope for a few breaks. What happened is that Ylae does not like to be hit and they (like any team should or would) responded in kind and Whittemore did nothing to control the play.
What I did not care for was the constant "yapping" and complaining by Ylae's players......the worst of which were Little, Martin and Allain. Kearney was diving so much Whittemore should be equipped with cards to rate them..........say 9.5!!!! I have never seen such poor sportsmanship and such whining and complaining as shown by Ylae tonight. Tonight I lost all respect for the Ylae team.

I think the reason Yale get's alot of calls is their small stature, I agree they do a good job of "selling" calls, but there were a few dives on SLU's end as well. The officials were so terrible that it really didn't matter after a while, because there was no rhyme or reason for some of the calls. I do remember one non call against Yale that got fixed about 30 seconds later with a call for something minor, there was no figuring them out last night. I think we can agree that we do not respect each others teams anymore, but as fans I think we are entitled to our opinions of what we saw, and can continue to have civil relationships

We all see what we want to see and we all are partisan.....me for SLU and you for Ylae......but your post bears no resemblance to the veracity of what transpired tonight. Was SLU guiltless?? Of course not but just because SLU played physical does not mean they played dirty.

I disagree, sorry

And lastly I am rapidly losing respect for Allain. Besides his screaming at the officials and his coaches yapping all night long, now after both games..........our coach who is literally hobbling around in pain walked out on the ice towards the Ylae bench to shake hands.......for two nights in a row.....Allain acknowledges with a nod or a wave and leaves the bench to the locker room. It is no wonder Allain is quickly approaching Pecknold status in his likeability factor and sportsmanship.

He acts that way to Yale fans, so I have no excuse, although I will say I thought he should have the right to criticize those officials last night.

See above
 
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The latest from Priceless.

Yale should forfeit tonight. I can't get them out of the #1 overall spot with a loss. On the other hand, if they were to advance and lose to Colgate, they could drop to #2 or #3 overall. If they were to lose to 2 TUC (instead of Colgate) they could also fall to #3. So the Bulldogs would be wise to go to the movies instead of the hockey rink tonight. Somehow, I don't think they will.

I have always thought that PWR was flawed but about the best one could do for a simple-to-apply set of rules. And I think there's a fair case to be made for the proposition that Yale deserves to be seeded third or so. But this situation is ridiculous. It's unfair to Yale and to SLU as well, since it will call into question what really happened should SLU win tonight.
 
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The latest from Priceless.



I have always thought that PWR was flawed but about the best one could do for a simple-to-apply set of rules. And I think there's a fair case to be made for the proposition that Yale deserves to be seeded third or so. But this situation is ridiculous. It's unfair to Yale and to SLU as well, since it will call into question what really happened should SLU win tonight.

After last night I do not think you have to worry that anyone is going to lay down. I just hope we have different refs and both teams escape without further injury. BTW Stewart was in the press box and witnessed that debacle of officiating, hopefully he sees the light and moves some people around.
 
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I started a time line in yesterday's game thread to try and determine whose fans are wrong. Please add whatever events are relevant in the correct order.
 
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