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Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread

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willythekid said:
did you read any of that thread?
Apparently, yale fans are as touchy about their threads as they are about program's history...
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It's not about being touchy. It's about pointing out that the "payback" has been about 10 times more than the original "offense". And that some of those "offenses" about bragging were back in October and November. Say it once and you make your point. Ride it for the entire season and you start to look a tad obsessive. And I'm not a Yale fan so this is just a friendly third party observation.
 
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It's not about being touchy. It's about pointing out that the "payback" has been about 10 times more than the original "offense". And that some of those "offenses" about bragging were back in October and November. Say it once and you make your point. Ride it for the entire season and you start to look a tad obsessive. And I'm not a Yale fan so this is just a friendly third party observation.
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Very well said third party observer. Thank you
 
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To the Yale fans, what do you folks think of our chances of coming away with the Cleary Cup. On the one hand we have a trap game against a resurgent Colgate and the season finale against a Cornell team which seems hell bent on taking whoever they are playing down into a non NCAA graveyard. Yale needs to do the same thing they have been doing lately which is dictate play from the start of the game and maintain speed and passing throughout, sprinkle in some decent defense and I like our chances.

Union and Quinnipiac will match up well, the key will be to have the Q play a three period game, which appears whenever they seem to feel like it. After watching Princeton yesterday, I believe that they are skilled enough to take out Union.
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I don't give QU any chance against Union. The key will be Princeton. Dartmouth, Cornell, RPI, and Princeton are within 2 points of each other for the last two byes in the playoffs. I think it is safe to assume that Cornell beats Brown and Dartmouth beats SLU on Friday. If that happens, RPI-Princeton on Friday is an elimination game for a chance to get a bye. If Princeton wins that game, they have every motivation to play hard against Union on Saturday, as a win and a Cornell loss to Yale would give them the 4 seed by virtue of their season sweep against Cornell. If they lose that game they are locked into the 6th seed as they won't be able to catch Dartmouth, Cornell, or RPI, and they can't be caught by QU. So, if Princeton beats RPI on Friday, I give them a decent chance to beat Union on Saturday, in which case, Yale, if they sweep the weekend, would win the Cleary Cup by 1 point.

As for Yale's upcoming weekend, you make some good arguments about how Yale could be tripped up by either team, but the only way that can happen is if Yale doesn't bring their A game. Given what is at stake and with the support of what are going to be two raucous crowds at Ingalls, I just don't see Yale losing either game.

I know I am in the minority here, but as long as Yale wins both games this weekend, I won't be bothered by Union winning the Cleary Cup. Yale has made no secret of the fact that anything less than an NCAA Championship will be a disappointment to them. They control their own destiny in that regard, but don't control their own destiny for the Cleary Cup. If, at the end of the season, Yale is sprawled on the ice in St Paul for the winning team photo, I don't think any of us will be lamenting the loss of the Cleary Cup.
 
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Just looking at Heisenbergs list, Trent Ruffalo is having quite a season for the NH Junior Monarchs 31 goals and 27 assists in 41 games with 8 game winning goals. The rest of what I believe are next years recruits on the list look pedestrian compared to this kid. I presume we will see him next year?

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AoPLTHefMmmTdEw4QWgxUjdKLTB0MEk3VTFLdlBOaHc&gid=1

http://easternjhl.stats.pointstreak.com/playerpage.html?playerid=4198698&seasonid=5790
 
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Great news about Arco. He has been promoted from the ECHL to the AHL and looks to be playing just as well in the higher league. I became a Yale fan during Arco and Backman's freshman year. My daughter went to Lauralton Hall and Arco was at Fairfield Prep, until he left after his junior year for Avon Old Farms. We followed his career closely when he was at Prep and were thrilled when we learned he had committed to Yale. On of the most impressive things about Arco is that he entered Yale as a natural freshman (he was 18 just like Agostino is now) and excelled immediately. I think he has a good chance to make it to the NHL despite his small stature because of his terrific all around game.


Mark Arcobello earned another game of action with his performance in Friday's game in Calgary.

Saturday night, Arcobello came up big once again, scoring an overtime game-winner to give the Barons a 3-2 win at the Abbotsford Entertainment and Sports Centre.
Arcobello had scored his first American Hockey League goal in Friday's 3-1 win, then gave the Barons the win with just more than a minute remaining in overtime.


Read more: http://newsok.com/mark-arcobello-sc...feat-abbotsford/article/3542584#ixzz1EdQ4Masp
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Just looking at Heisenbergs list, Trent Ruffalo is having quite a season for the NH Junior Monarchs 31 goals and 27 assists in 41 games with 8 game winning goals. The rest of what I believe are next years recruits on the list look pedestrian compared to this kid. I presume we will see him next year?
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Big List! Lots of kids with good size also. This is called building a program. When Keith Allain was hired he said that he wanted to achieve sustained success. He has the full support of the AD in pursuing that goal.
 
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Sean Backman has 6 goals and ten assists in 46 games for the AHL Texas Stars this season. Glad to see his recovery is complete.
 
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Arco actually went to Salisbury, Backman went to Avon Old Farms.

While looking at stats in my boredom today I was very suprised to notice some of Yale's +/- numbers. For a team that has no player who is anything less than a +1 for all games, and 12 guys who are +10 or better, the conference stats are concerning.
Our first or second line (I would say clearly #2 line at this point) are
Broc Little (-2) Denny Kearney (0) and Kevin Limbert (0) , that is pretty disapointing.
Not only are they not scoring much, but they arent doing much back-checking either.
 
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Arco actually went to Salisbury, Backman went to Avon Old Farms.
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Yeah I knew that, I think...thanks for the correction

While looking at stats in my boredom today I was very suprised to notice some of Yale's +/- numbers. For a team that has no player who is anything less than a +1 for all games, and 12 guys who are +10 or better, the conference stats are concerning.
Our first or second line (I would say clearly #2 line at this point) are
Broc Little (-2) Denny Kearney (0) and Kevin Limbert (0) , that is pretty disapointing.
Not only are they not scoring much, but they arent doing much back-checking either.
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If the malaise of this line doesn't get corrected, we are not going far in the NCAAs. I will say that the back-checking, at least, was improved during this weekend's games
 
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And I actually came in here to have a rational discussion, whereas you and I both know that wouldn't happen in those other threads. And when I say "major player" I'm referring to a program that has had a decent history of postseason success, maybe a title or two. The program doesn't have to be Michigan or MN in stature.

What got me is the "if you don't show RESPECT@!!1!!1! towards the ECAC, you're obviously a hater" type attitude. That's all. Yale is having a good season, and I'm glad the rational Yale fans are enjoying the ride. And a little note: thicken your skin the more you succeed. You're going to need it. As a Gopher fan, it's always open season on us. ;)
 
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cornellgradyalefan said:
....One of them was started by a fan that did say that Yale was skating rings around the WCHA. Perhaps he got a little too big for his britches.....
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In the '08-09 season, there was no Yale thread to start the year. In fact, it didn't appear in this forum until mid-way through the season. Given what we had done in the prior half-century, what Yale has accomplished in the past 3 years is remarkable.

For the record, Yale wasn't skating circles around the WCHA- it was around the WHCA...and I'll stand by my posts 'till the end as my britches are quite big :)
 
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To Yale fans that post on this thread: I would humbly suggest we stop engaging with people who want to discuss whether or not we stand by every item that someone has posted about our team that might be considered disprepectful to someone else. It just clogs up our board and accomplishes nothing. As others have said, let's just focus on Yale hockey, and especially this weekend:

No one has mentioned the obvious fact that we will be back at Ingalls. I attended the game at Colgate earlier this year, and despite their momentum from this past weekend, I feel it unlikely for us to have a problem there. Cornell is another matter. We have beaten them 5 or 6 times in a row now, so they are almost "due," and they are going to come after us like Harvard and Princeton did. Not to mention their recent highly-improved play. Hopefully those raucous New Haven fans (okay, I am stretching a bit here), or the band (love those drummers) can get the guys pumped to bring everything they have.

As others have noted, a Cleary Cup would be nice, but I prefer to focus on the opportunities in the post season. And in that vein, whatever the outcome of the Cleary Cup race, let's tip our hats to Union on a phenomenal season, and partcularly their current (and awesome) winning streak. It is all the more impressive since, like the Ivy League, Union does not award athletic scholarships. I am proud that they will also represent the ECAC in the post season and I hope that they and Yale can both go far.
 
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Originally Posted by cornellgradyalefan
....One of them was started by a fan that did say that Yale was skating rings around the WCHA. Perhaps he got a little too big for his britches.....
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Please don't misunderstand my intention in saying that. Many of the Yale opposers, criticizers, doubters, haters (not sure what to call them so I will use as may nouns as seem appropriate) were saying or implying that there were legions of Yale fans talking trash. In fact, you were the only one who started such a thread. My purpose in saying so was to debunk that myth, nothing more.
 
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To Yale fans that post on this thread: I would humbly suggest we stop engaging with people who want to discuss whether or not we stand by every item that someone has posted about our team that might be considered disprepectful to someone else. It just clogs up our board and accomplishes nothing. As others have said, let's just focus on Yale hockey, and especially this weekend:
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Ok you got me there.

Hopefully those raucous New Haven fans (okay, I am stretching a bit here), or the band (love those drummers) can get the guys pumped to bring everything they have.
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I attended many a game at Lynah in the 70's and one of my gripes about Yale fans last year and the beginning of this year as well is that they just didn't bring it like Cornell fans do. But recently-I would say the past 6 games or so at Ingalls-the fans have brought their A game. Given that there is so much at stake this weekend, the recent improved play on the road, and the combination of senior night and Cornell coming into Ingalls on Saturday, I expect the fans to blow the roof off the joint.
 
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So we know Yale will host a second round playoff series at Ingalls March 11-13. We don't whom its opponent will be, but it will be someone who finishes seventh or lower. This means the candidates are Quinnipiac, Clarkson, Brown, St. Lawrence, Colgate and Harvard. So, who's the best opponent for Yale?

Yale will certainly be favored against any of these squads, though the Bulldogs have lost to Brown and St. Lawrence and still play Colgate one more time. Yale most dominated Quinnipiac winning the season series with an aggregate score of 11-2, including last Friday's contest. Yale also scored 11 against Clarkson on the season but allowed 5 goals. Yale's last win over Harvard was a nail-biting 1-0 win and Colgate did put of 4 against the Blue in the first meeting of the season.

I think a series with Quinnipiac would be great fun, but perhaps not the best matchup for Yale, as it'll be physical from start to finish. It would be great to get Harvard in New Haven, but again that's a better matchup from the fans point of view.

RPI scares me the most, as it seems to be the best suited to Yale's style of play. Colgate's been red hot coming the down the stretch and I won't make any predictions about that squad until this weekend.

This leaves St. Lawrence and Clarkson. Yale dismantled St. Lawrence at Ingalls and then were upset in Canton. Could the Saints take two-of-three at Ingalls? Probably not. Clarkson is on the slide right now and Yale has handled them both times, winning by three in each contest. So I think I'd like to see the Golden Knights in the second round, though their road jerseys are rough on the eyes.

It looks like Clarkson will host a first round series as either the seventh or eighth seat. Depending on Yale and Union's finishes, Yale might not be able to face the seventh seat. So there is way too much in the air for any 'likely opponent' scenarios.

What do you guys think?
 
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Like you, I'm willing to face any of them. (Well, I'm willing to have Yale face any of them. I can't play hockey worth a darn.) And even if we get a very low seeded team, the fact that they will have just come off a two-out-of-three win on the road won't bode all that well. As far as drama goes, Harvard's always got a historic backstory, Brown has a revenge factor both for one game this year and the loss last year in the playoffs, and Quinnnipiac has the crosstown rivalry aspect. Those would be the top three "easy story to write" series. One tier down are the "avenge the loss" series of St. Lawrence and RPI. That leaves Clarkson with no obvious story other than jersey glare.
There is one other possible Pairwise issue though: of the teams listed, only RPI is a TUC, though Quinnipiac might become one with a couple of wins this weekend. (Yet another reason to beat Union! Go Bobcats!) Yale's TUC record stands at an excellent 9-2 with one more to go against Cornell. With 2 TUC games it stands to possibly (albeit not very likely) fall to as bad as 9-5. Given Yale's current position, they don't need to augment their TUC position -- they just don't want to see it fall. That's the main reason I'd want to avoid RPI and maybe QU. But that's probably a really minor factor, particularly since I think they should be able to beat any of these teams.

Edit: Sorry, I forgot that if QU gets to be a TUC, Yale's two wins take its TUC record to 11-2, so that even two losses to QU (frankly impossible, I think) would only take it down to 11-4.
 
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Thanks, Ralph. I should have checked this against burgie12's masterful summary. I was surprised that a TUC could fall to 7th.
 
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Funny thing, last year, Yale's early exit from the ECAC tourney actually helped the team get into the NCAA's. Alot of speculation going on, but my credo at this time of year is "just win".
 
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