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World Soccer XXV - the run up to the World Cup

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Shirtless Guy said:
meh what? Let me guess, you hate the fact that you think Klinsmann is spending too much time fighting to get these dual nationals instead of developing "real" americans?
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No, it's just that people are hyping him up to be the second coming when he's raw and unproven.

I'm happy he's decided to play for the US and he's worth a look but I'm tired of the hype.

edit: I look at it like every kids soccer movie ever made. This attitude of "if we bring in this foreign kid we'll be unstoppable and win everything!" is laughable to me. It doesn't work like that.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
No, it's just that people are hyping him up to be the second coming when he's raw and unproven.

I'm happy he's decided to play for the US and he's worth a look but I'm tired of the hype.
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Yeah, I remember the hype for Freddie Adu at 13 or 14 but at least Zelalem is 17 and in the Arsenal program.
 
Shirtless Guy said:
Yeah, I remember the hype for Freddie Adu at 13 or 14 but at least Zelalem is 17 and in the Arsenal program.
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Yeah I remember the Adu hype, it got ridiculous.

I think Zelalem will be ok but it's not really a thing to be waiting on bated breath or writing headlines for.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Yeah, I remember the hype for Freddie Adu at 13 or 14 but at least Zelalem is 17 and in the Arsenal program.
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And is seen elsewhere as having high enough potential to also be part of German youth teams, which isn't nothing (though of course it's still not anything at senior level either).

But hey, he has an FA Cup winner's medal. First American field player to win one?
 
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jmh said:
And is seen elsewhere as having high enough potential to also be part of German youth teams, which isn't nothing (though of course it's still not anything at senior level either).

But hey, he has an FA Cup winner's medal. First American field player to win one?
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He has avoided playing in tournaments or at the national level because he would not have been eligible to play for the US if he had played in a tournament or for the national team before having his US passport.
 
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The FA Cup is partying like it's 1993 with Liverpool vs (AFC) Wimbledon...
 
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Is FIFA's jurisdiction over world soccer simply agreed upon by the different nations or is there something more legally binding?

I was wondering why nations don't start a new governing body for soccer, and simply leave FIFA out in the cold.
 
JF_Gophers said:
Is FIFA's jurisdiction over world soccer simply agreed upon by the different nations or is there something more legally binding?

I was wondering why nations don't start a new governing body for soccer, and simply leave FIFA out in the cold.
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Inertia. And the fear of what happens if 20 or so countries break away but no one follows.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Is FIFA's jurisdiction over world soccer simply agreed upon by the different nations or is there something more legally binding?

I was wondering why nations don't start a new governing body for soccer, and simply leave FIFA out in the cold.
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There have been rumblings about UEFA breaking off, so I think such a scenario is possible, but I don't think UEFA has been serious enough to really make such a push, so far.
 
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Bob Gray said:
There have been rumblings about UEFA breaking off, so I think such a scenario is possible, but I don't think UEFA has been serious enough to really make such a push, so far.
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The biggest problem is where is the leadership that can actually backup that they won't be corrupt like FIFA? No one seems to have any balls to run against Blatter and without a better report there really isn't much info to show who didn't take bribes or whatever. You can't expect something led by USA and England to ever work with how much animosity there is towards both of those groups.

EDIT: The only way I could ever see it working is if all or almost all of the world's powerhouse teams, Brazil, Argentina, Italy, Germany, etc was willing to break away.
 
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unofan said:
Inertia. And the fear of what happens if 20 or so countries break away but no one follows.
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I have a much simpler explanation. Everybody is deeply implicated. Whenever you decide to go after such an obviously corrupt and powerful group, it inexorably becomes clear that everybody who could possibly help hem in that group -- law enforcement, the judiciary, the entire political system, the media -- has been compromised. My guess is you can't get rid of FIFA unless you get rid of every person serving in each of those capacities. And that, of course, will never happen.
 
Shirtless Guy said:
The biggest problem is where is the leadership that can actually backup that they won't be corrupt like FIFA? No one seems to have any balls to run against Blatter and without a better report there really isn't much info to show who didn't take bribes or whatever. You can't expect something led by USA and England to ever work with how much animosity there is towards both of those groups.

EDIT: The only way I could ever see it working is if all or almost all of the world's powerhouse teams, Brazil, Argentina, Italy, Germany, etc was willing to break away.
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You'd need the power countries in Europe, Germany, Italy, Spain, and England, plus a good share of the mid-level countries like Netherlands, France, Sweden, Belgium etc. On top of that you'd need Brazil and Argentina because without South America it's worthless. Plus you'd need the US, Mexico and some Asian countries like Japan, South Korea, and Australia. Maybe try to get Nigeria or Ivory Coast out of Africa. If you get those countries to leave then everybody else will follow. However, even getting those countries would be difficult.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
You'd need the power countries in Europe, Germany, Italy, Spain, and England, plus a good share of the mid-level countries like Netherlands, France, Sweden, Belgium etc. On top of that you'd need Brazil and Argentina because without South America it's worthless. Plus you'd need the US, Mexico and some Asian countries like Japan, South Korea, and Australia. Maybe try to get Nigeria or Ivory Coast out of Africa. If you get those countries to leave then everybody else will follow. However, even getting those countries would be difficult.
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With all due respect to the "mid-majors", if Germany, Italy, Spain, England, Brazil and Argentina were to bail on FIFA, everybody else would follow. Belgium and the Ivory Coast and Uruguay are solid teams, but everyone would know it was a farce if a World Cup were to be played without those six.
 
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