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World Soccer XXV - the run up to the World Cup
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Re: World Soccer XXV - the run up to the World Cup
Agreed!!
Don't they have enough money between the Yankees and Man City to be able to pony up enough cash to buy a space and put up a new stadium for Soccer?
Heck, there's that track and field right next to the new Yankees stadium. It might take a little work and creative engineering, but that right there should give them space to drop in a decent sized MLS stadium, and they could probably keep the track there as well. That could come in handy later on for big track events in the City. Heck, that feature could even be included in a future Olympic bid for New Your City. Best of all they wouldn't really have to do all much for transit to that site, as all of the Yankee Stadium subway stops would be right there.
Agreed!!
Don't they have enough money between the Yankees and Man City to be able to pony up enough cash to buy a space and put up a new stadium for Soccer?
Heck, there's that track and field right next to the new Yankees stadium. It might take a little work and creative engineering, but that right there should give them space to drop in a decent sized MLS stadium, and they could probably keep the track there as well. That could come in handy later on for big track events in the City. Heck, that feature could even be included in a future Olympic bid for New Your City. Best of all they wouldn't really have to do all much for transit to that site, as all of the Yankee Stadium subway stops would be right there.
hockeyplayer1015
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There really is no useful space at that field to add any meaningful seating capacity there. Google maps isn't showing the parking garage(s) between that field and the youth baseball fields where the old stadium used to be.
Their best bet is to look at Randall's Island /Icahn Stadium.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Re: World Soccer XXV - the run up to the World Cup
Actually they were looking to buy land that some warehouses or parking lot is on near Yankee Stadium.
hockeyplayer1015
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My point was the field Monster was specifically suggesting really isn't feasible. There may be other options not too far away from there, but that whole area will be somewhat tricky to find space for a decent sized stadium.
I'd be curious if there are specific issues with renovating Icahn. Yes, Randall's Island is a NYC parks/rec area, but there is already some existing seating, and plenty of space to expand.
jmh
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Even if Icahn could be renovated appropriately (I really have no idea whether this is the case or not), it's horribly inaccessible. By transit, there's only one existing bus line that would be totally inadequate to handle game crowds; even with the political will to add dedicated buses game it would be a huge mess. By car, you can only get there by the Triboro (sorry, "RFK") Bridge, which can be a nightmare especially on weekday evenings, and there isn't really enough parking on the island for regular recreational use of the playing fields on summer weekends, let alone for game crowds. If part of their pitch is that they're easier to get to than the Red Bulls, Randall's doesn't accomplish that. On the other hand, there are some wholly unnecessary parking garages near Yankee Stadium that they could tear down and build another stadium.
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You wouldn't have to use the current field and track that's right there currently. They could orientate the pitch about 90 degrees from what it is now and steal some land from Heritage field, that would give them plenty of room to shoehorn a soccer stadium with an Olympic grade track around the pitch. They would have to do some rearranging of the Heritage Field area, maybe swap the baseball and softball diamond areas around perhaps. But then again, I'm just eyeballing it from Google Maps.
And via Google Maps, I wouldn't be all that opposed to them using the Icahn stadium site as well. Using the eyeball here, you could put up up a pretty nice stadium there as well, with room for expanding it for a big event like say the Olympics perhaps.
You wouldn't have to use the current field and track that's right there currently. They could orientate the pitch about 90 degrees from what it is now and steal some land from Heritage field, that would give them plenty of room to shoehorn a soccer stadium with an Olympic grade track around the pitch. They would have to do some rearranging of the Heritage Field area, maybe swap the baseball and softball diamond areas around perhaps. But then again, I'm just eyeballing it from Google Maps.
And via Google Maps, I wouldn't be all that opposed to them using the Icahn stadium site as well. Using the eyeball here, you could put up up a pretty nice stadium there as well, with room for expanding it for a big event like say the Olympics perhaps.
MountieBoyOz
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I know it's only one game and it's against Norwich, but United looks different with Giggs in charge.
I know it's only one game and it's against Norwich, but United looks different with Giggs in charge.
Re: World Soccer XXV - the run up to the World Cup
Funny time of year in EPL, when a team is ecstatic to clinch 16[SUP]th[/SUP] place.
With a little more luck, Jozy Altidore will still be in the top flight next year, even though Sunderland is tied for relegation they have a game in hand and goal differential in their favor.
Though the idea that there are "no playoffs" is not quite the case....even though there is no domestic playoff, Champions League qualification is a big-time money-maker, and I guess Europa League sort of means something too.
Funny time of year in EPL, when a team is ecstatic to clinch 16[SUP]th[/SUP] place.
With a little more luck, Jozy Altidore will still be in the top flight next year, even though Sunderland is tied for relegation they have a game in hand and goal differential in their favor.
Though the idea that there are "no playoffs" is not quite the case....even though there is no domestic playoff, Champions League qualification is a big-time money-maker, and I guess Europa League sort of means something too.
Shirtless Guy
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Re: World Soccer XXV - the run up to the World Cup
There are reports that the Copa América Centenario in United States will become official soon with the tournament involving all 10 CONMEBOL teams, USA, Mexico and 4 other CONCACAF teams.
There are reports that the Copa América Centenario in United States will become official soon with the tournament involving all 10 CONMEBOL teams, USA, Mexico and 4 other CONCACAF teams.
Re: World Soccer XXV - the run up to the World Cup
might we see an all-Madrid final?? that would be something.
might we see an all-Madrid final?? that would be something.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Yeah the CL is big deal but considering you know by September what 4 teams it'll be, there isn't much drama. And the Europa League isn't worth much, in fact for some teams in can be bad. There's probably 9-10 teams that are playing for almost nothing except position.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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That was unexpected.
MountieBoyOz
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Re: World Soccer XXV - the run up to the World Cup
Surprised no one talked about what Dani Alves did.
http://blog.foxsoccer.com/post/8405...ou-combat-racism?cmpid=msn:foxsports:ansfox11
Surprised no one talked about what Dani Alves did.
http://blog.foxsoccer.com/post/8405...ou-combat-racism?cmpid=msn:foxsports:ansfox11
From talking to my European friends, the Europa League is considered a big deal. Bigger than the Cups in the big 5 countries, and bigger than a league title in any other country. Even Atletico, who is about the 3rd-5th most successful Spanish team all-time, had big parades and celebrations for their Europa League wins.
In term of interest in Europe, the CL is much like the Super Bowl. It was all anyone talked about for weeks, and I was in Sweden, where there hasn't even been a group stage participant since AIK back in the '90s. It was also the year that Inter fans embarrassed themselves by throwing flares at Milano (who can blame them, really
) and Liverpool came back from 3-nil down to win the title, so they hadn't stopped talking about it when I left in June.On another note-Ajax has clinched Dutch title #33
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On the Europa League, folks I know who follow European soccer (which is mostly folks who follow English soccer, so maybe fans of soccer in other countries see things a bit differently), say that the Europa League isn't that big a deal. I think it's one of those things where most teams qualify, but don't really expect to make it all the way through to win, given that you get some CL teams dropping in, like Juventus and Benfica this season, who are the favorites. So, for a lot of folks, it isn't a place you expect to win hardware, and the money isn't big like the CL, but the Europa League can create a good bit of fixture congestion for squads that often aren't built for European competitions on top of domestic efforts. My brother, a big Ipswich fan, wishes they'd never qualified for Europe last time they were in the EPL, as the extra fixtures contributed to their being relegated that season (in his opinion, which I think has some merit). So, if somehow you get through and win it, it's a somewhat big deal, but most teams don't, and don't expect to.
On the Europa League, folks I know who follow European soccer (which is mostly folks who follow English soccer, so maybe fans of soccer in other countries see things a bit differently), say that the Europa League isn't that big a deal. I think it's one of those things where most teams qualify, but don't really expect to make it all the way through to win, given that you get some CL teams dropping in, like Juventus and Benfica this season, who are the favorites. So, for a lot of folks, it isn't a place you expect to win hardware, and the money isn't big like the CL, but the Europa League can create a good bit of fixture congestion for squads that often aren't built for European competitions on top of domestic efforts. My brother, a big Ipswich fan, wishes they'd never qualified for Europe last time they were in the EPL, as the extra fixtures contributed to their being relegated that season (in his opinion, which I think has some merit). So, if somehow you get through and win it, it's a somewhat big deal, but most teams don't, and don't expect to.
jmh
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I think the Europa League isn't a big deal for fans of the biggest few teams in the top 5-6 leagues (my brother-in-law, who supports Spurs, has been hoping for them to lose lately because he only wants them playing in the Champions League, which I think is ridiculous considering they haven't won anything bigger than the League Cup since 1991), but for supporters of smaller teams it is. I enjoyed it not just when Fulham were in the final (can that really only be four years ago? it feels like ages) but also when they only made it to the group stage a couple of years ago, and I think that feeling was shared by UK-based supporters who got to see matches against teams Fulham would never normally play and travel to see matches in countries where they'd never normally have the chance to go. It's true that the extra fixtures can lead to injuries and fatigue that hamper a relegation fight, but, borrowing a saying from baseball, flags fly forever, and I think for a small club, playing and advancing in the Europa League falls under that heading. I mean, if you're Ipswich, or Fulham, or really any club that doesn't have the massive resources of a Liverpool or an Arsenal, there's a nonzero chance of relegation any given year whether or not you have those extra fixtures; it just goes with the territory. May as well have some fun along the way.
I think the Europa League isn't a big deal for fans of the biggest few teams in the top 5-6 leagues (my brother-in-law, who supports Spurs, has been hoping for them to lose lately because he only wants them playing in the Champions League, which I think is ridiculous considering they haven't won anything bigger than the League Cup since 1991), but for supporters of smaller teams it is. I enjoyed it not just when Fulham were in the final (can that really only be four years ago? it feels like ages) but also when they only made it to the group stage a couple of years ago, and I think that feeling was shared by UK-based supporters who got to see matches against teams Fulham would never normally play and travel to see matches in countries where they'd never normally have the chance to go. It's true that the extra fixtures can lead to injuries and fatigue that hamper a relegation fight, but, borrowing a saying from baseball, flags fly forever, and I think for a small club, playing and advancing in the Europa League falls under that heading. I mean, if you're Ipswich, or Fulham, or really any club that doesn't have the massive resources of a Liverpool or an Arsenal, there's a nonzero chance of relegation any given year whether or not you have those extra fixtures; it just goes with the territory. May as well have some fun along the way.
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I know even 2-time European Cup/CL winner FC Porto had big celebrations for its Europa League title in 2011. While I certainly want Ajax to win CL title #5 the most, I would be excited about Europa League title #2 if that came to pass. I'd be even more excited if Valerenga (Oslo) won the Europa League, since that would be an enormous accomplishment for a Norwegian team.
I agree that it probably seems like the NIT for the biggest teams in the biggest countries, but these Atletico fans seemed pretty pumped about it:http://www.elimparcial.es/images/uploads/atletico_campeon_neptuno_espera_efe130510.jpg
I know even 2-time European Cup/CL winner FC Porto had big celebrations for its Europa League title in 2011. While I certainly want Ajax to win CL title #5 the most, I would be excited about Europa League title #2 if that came to pass. I'd be even more excited if Valerenga (Oslo) won the Europa League, since that would be an enormous accomplishment for a Norwegian team.
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I agree that if you actually win it, fans of most teams are going to be quite happy and will consider it a good achievement. Really, it's a mixed bag, with the fixture congestion/player exhaustion being the big downside for at least some teams. I've been reading Spurs' board over on bigsoccer for years, and they seem ambivalent at best toward the Europa League, with moments of some excitement when their team has shown some success, but ruing the injuries/exhaustion that extra fixtures, including some in far flung parts of Europe, inflict on the squad. Part of it depends on the expectations for a club. For someone like Fulham, having the success they had a few seasons ago in the Europa League is huge. For someone like Spurs, with higher expectations, not so much.
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