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Sunil Gulati has been embarrassingly silent on all of this.
Sunil Gulati has been embarrassingly silent on all of this.
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World Soccer XX: I paid Jack Warner $1M for the right to start this thread
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Re: World Soccer XX: I paid Jack Warner $1M for the right to start this thread
Meh. I don't find it embarassing. I think he should definitely pile on if it's clear that Warner and his cadre are going down, but it would be dangerous to jump in if it's not clear who's going to come out on top.
Meh. I don't find it embarassing. I think he should definitely pile on if it's clear that Warner and his cadre are going down, but it would be dangerous to jump in if it's not clear who's going to come out on top.
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Where has that strategy gotten us to date? Sunil has a history of trying to come down on the winning side, and it hasn't exactly been successful. Refresh my memory, how did in work out back in December?
He can't even muster the courage to ask for a postponement to the Blatter election, instead saying he is "monitoring" things. That's nonsense.
I'm curious what exactly you think CONCACAF could bring to bear on the USSF (one of its two cash cows) that would make it not worth it to at least express displeasure?
Where has that strategy gotten us to date? Sunil has a history of trying to come down on the winning side, and it hasn't exactly been successful. Refresh my memory, how did in work out back in December?
He can't even muster the courage to ask for a postponement to the Blatter election, instead saying he is "monitoring" things. That's nonsense.
I'm curious what exactly you think CONCACAF could bring to bear on the USSF (one of its two cash cows) that would make it not worth it to at least express displeasure?
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If I'm Sunil, I'd be in constant contact with the English FA head. I'd be cooking up some sort of strategy or at least present a united front.
If I'm Sunil, I'd be in constant contact with the English FA head. I'd be cooking up some sort of strategy or at least present a united front.
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The Royals have put their 2 pence in
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And as a reminder that these things do happen in Europe from time to time:
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The Royals have put their 2 pence in
Money Walks?
Nothing from the UK on the unsacking
And as a reminder that these things do happen in Europe from time to time:
Re: World Soccer XX: I paid Jack Warner $1M for the right to start this thread
Personally, I think that a postponement of the election is a pretty pointless gesture. Why get all high and mighty about it when <em>nobody</em> had the stones to nominate a clean candidate?
What Sunil should be doing right now is talking quietly with the FA about building a consensus around a credible threat of a major boycott of the World Cup. In my estimation, that would require, at minimum, four or five other heavy hitters from Europe. I'd like to see Brazil or Argentina involved too, but the current evidence suggests they're in it up to their necks.
Note that such action does not involve Sunil making an empty public gesture that tips his hand.
Personally, I think that a postponement of the election is a pretty pointless gesture. Why get all high and mighty about it when <em>nobody</em> had the stones to nominate a clean candidate?
What Sunil should be doing right now is talking quietly with the FA about building a consensus around a credible threat of a major boycott of the World Cup. In my estimation, that would require, at minimum, four or five other heavy hitters from Europe. I'd like to see Brazil or Argentina involved too, but the current evidence suggests they're in it up to their necks.
Note that such action does not involve Sunil making an empty public gesture that tips his hand.
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The Duke of Cambridge is the head of the FA technically, so he kinda has reason to chime in.
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Considering Sunil was one of those "nobodies" who lacked the stones, that's hardly a mark in his favor, is it?
And although you quoted my final paragraph, you didn't really address it. What exactly can CONCACAF do to the USSF that is so terrible that it prohibits any statement indicating any stronger impulse than "monitoring"? I'd legitimately like to know.
You also mention that Sunil should be talking quietly with the FA right now, and anything more than that would tip his hand. Well, the FA has come out far stronger than the USSF has, is their hand now tipped?
Considering Sunil was one of those "nobodies" who lacked the stones, that's hardly a mark in his favor, is it?
And although you quoted my final paragraph, you didn't really address it. What exactly can CONCACAF do to the USSF that is so terrible that it prohibits any statement indicating any stronger impulse than "monitoring"? I'd legitimately like to know.
You also mention that Sunil should be talking quietly with the FA right now, and anything more than that would tip his hand. Well, the FA has come out far stronger than the USSF has, is their hand now tipped?
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The World Cup and World Cup Qualifying. The World Cup is very important to US Soccer.
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I know. But saying "The Royals" carries a bit more weight than saying "the FA", don't you think???
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Mmmhmmm. How exactly would they do that? Bar them from World Cup Qualifying because the head of their federation had the temerity to criticize them? That will go over really well.
Say they kick the U.S. out. What then? Mexico and a bunch of scrubs? Great confederation. Good luck holding the Gold Cup in Mexico every two years.
Mmmhmmm. How exactly would they do that? Bar them from World Cup Qualifying because the head of their federation had the temerity to criticize them? That will go over really well.
Say they kick the U.S. out. What then? Mexico and a bunch of scrubs? Great confederation. Good luck holding the Gold Cup in Mexico every two years.
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FIFA is a real life example of why no one with any sanity wants the UN to have any kind of authority. Bribe 100 countries that won't ever sniff a World Cup and you can run the whole **** thing and threaten major countries like England for speaking out of turn and let some clown from Trinidad and Tobago (whose national stadium looks worse than my old high school's) run a confederation with Mexico and the United States in it.
FIFA is a real life example of why no one with any sanity wants the UN to have any kind of authority. Bribe 100 countries that won't ever sniff a World Cup and you can run the whole **** thing and threaten major countries like England for speaking out of turn and let some clown from Trinidad and Tobago (whose national stadium looks worse than my old high school's) run a confederation with Mexico and the United States in it.
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Blazer fired. Then unfired. Now Austin claiming he's still fired.
Phew! Good thing you avoided that.
Blazer fired. Then unfired. Now Austin claiming he's still fired.
Phew! Good thing you avoided that.
Re: World Soccer XX: I paid Jack Warner $1M for the right to start this thread
Should we invade Trinidad & Tobago? We have Grenada as a precedent. Countries HAVE gone to war over soccer.
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They could make qualifying a lot more chancy for us, although the most likely beneficiaries would be Central America rather than the Caribbean. Less visibly, they can also influence refereeing against us. We also have no chance whatsoever of hosting a future World Cup (or, for that matter, getting 2022 in the event Qatar gets rightly booted) without the support of our confederation, I don't think.
They could make qualifying a lot more chancy for us, although the most likely beneficiaries would be Central America rather than the Caribbean. Less visibly, they can also influence refereeing against us. We also have no chance whatsoever of hosting a future World Cup (or, for that matter, getting 2022 in the event Qatar gets rightly booted) without the support of our confederation, I don't think.
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Yes, I suspected that was what you meant. Still, I'm just not convinced that those things can really be made any different than they are right now.
You don't exactly have to search far and wide to find people (credible ones) who think refereeing is already biased against us. As for not being able to host a World Cup, those World Cups aren't exactly pouring in now, are they?
That's really my point. I'm not ideologically or unequivocally opposed to a style like Sunil's - there is certainly a time and a place for it. However, that approach quite clearly has not worked. What exactly can be hurt by trying something different for a change?
Yes, I suspected that was what you meant. Still, I'm just not convinced that those things can really be made any different than they are right now.
You don't exactly have to search far and wide to find people (credible ones) who think refereeing is already biased against us. As for not being able to host a World Cup, those World Cups aren't exactly pouring in now, are they?
That's really my point. I'm not ideologically or unequivocally opposed to a style like Sunil's - there is certainly a time and a place for it. However, that approach quite clearly has not worked. What exactly can be hurt by trying something different for a change?
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From the "maybe Sunil's being a little more active than he's given credit for" department: Blazer's current power base in CONCACAF is the executive committee, based on the warring releases from "CONCACAF" (i.e. Blazer's New York office) and Austin. Guess who sits on that committee?
With Warner's temporary ouster, if the non-Caribbean members join together (Sunil, the head of the FMF, and representatives from Honduras and Panama), they have four votes, against two for Warner's toadies Austin and Horace Burrell of Jamaica. I think the main wild card here is the Panamanian. The FMF's interests align almost entirely with those of the U.S., and as an aspiring power in the confederation, I'm not so sure that Honduras is far behind.
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From the "maybe Sunil's being a little more active than he's given credit for" department: Blazer's current power base in CONCACAF is the executive committee, based on the warring releases from "CONCACAF" (i.e. Blazer's New York office) and Austin. Guess who sits on that committee?
With Warner's temporary ouster, if the non-Caribbean members join together (Sunil, the head of the FMF, and representatives from Honduras and Panama), they have four votes, against two for Warner's toadies Austin and Horace Burrell of Jamaica. I think the main wild card here is the Panamanian. The FMF's interests align almost entirely with those of the U.S., and as an aspiring power in the confederation, I'm not so sure that Honduras is far behind.
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It wouldn't hurt to bring in the Aussies and some of the other contenders for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups. Getting them on our side would be useful with making the case for it. That way its just not us bringing it to FIFA's attention that the votes where rigged.
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It wouldn't hurt to bring in the Aussies and some of the other contenders for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups. Getting them on our side would be useful with making the case for it. That way its just not us bringing it to FIFA's attention that the votes where rigged.
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When it comes to soccer both are kind of the same, not very well important.
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