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World Soccer XIII: Through the Group Stages

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Patman said:
FIFA ratings are an awkward political config... I'd trust Elo a lot more.

Going into mathwonkland... I wish, and I don't have the energy to develop it, but if there was a decent way to benchmark the "reliability" of lesser matches (friendlies, minor cups, continential championships) in predicting world cup results or world cup + qualifiers.... particularly in light of Mookie's pool... I feel like if soccer wasn't so irregular I could game that system.
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ESPN's SPI developed by Nate Silver seems like what you want...

South Korea was 26, Greece 41. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/spi/rankings?cc=5901&ver=us
 
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AMC said:
ESPN's SPI developed by Nate Silver seems like what you want...

South Korea was 26, Greece 41. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/spi/rankings?cc=5901&ver=us
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Nate Silver is a practitioner... his system is about as thrown together than anything else. While I'll admit he does some good work in baseball you can be a little less adhoc in baseball and come up with good summary measures... for soccer, what i see is just another form of voodoo... but he's built up a brand.

What I want to see is something that operates from an objective end AND IS CERTAINLY NOT PLAYER BASED. You can always torture numbers into formulas... but since he's not reinventing the mathematical wheel I don't take him for much.
 
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Craig P. said:
Not that we needed more proof, but the FIFA rankings are trash, particularly when you get outside the top ten and particularly comparing less favored to more favored confederations.

The ELO ratings were essentially reversed with Korea at #22 going into the game and Greece at #32 (they're now #17 and #42, respectively, after the exchange of points from the match against each other).
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What are the ELO rankings?


AMC said:
Nigeria are settling for too many long range efforts.
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This is the soccer lingo I love :p

Terrierbyassociation said:
Whatever!

GO ENGLAND!
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TBA, you were born in England? How long did you stay there?
 
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I was running errands earlier and made sure to be home by 1:30.

Only to find out that there was a half hour pregame (prematch?) built into <s>ESPN's</s> ABC's broadcast. Wow. One small sign of the sport's growth over here? maybe?
 
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J.D. said:
TBA, you were born in England? How long did you stay there?
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Yes but not long, and my mum got me into football and I only truly fell in love with it until I spent a vacation in England during the 1998 World Cup.
 
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amherstblackbear said:
I was running errands earlier and made sure to be home by 1:30.

Only to find out that there was a half hour pregame built into ESPN's broadcast. Wow. One small sign of the sport's growth over here? maybe?
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Closer to an hour.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
Yes but not long, and my mum got me into football and I only truly fell in love with it until I spent a vacation in England during the 1998 World Cup.
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well, hell, that's a bonding moment folks. I went to six flags once. Still don't like New Jersey.

edit: so who were you cheering for before 1998?
 
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Are we seriously discussing polls on a site that breaks down into chaos when someone so much as mentions a pole

:D
 
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amherstblackbear said:
I was running errands earlier and made sure to be home by 1:30.

Only to find out that there was a half hour pregame (prematch?) built into <s>ESPN's</s> ABC's broadcast. Wow. One small sign of the sport's growth over here? maybe?
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ESPN pulling out all the stops for this World Cup.
 
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Patman said:
well, hell, that's a bonding moment folks. I went to six flags once. Still don't like New Jersey.

edit: so who were we cheering for before 1998?
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Still England. But I didn't absolutely live and die with England until 1998. In my defense, I wasn't all that fond of soccer outside of playing it until the 1998 World Cup. Seeing the entire country basically rise up together for a sporting event is magical. This country has NO sport that completely unifies us. That we live and die with.

Watching the 1994 World Cup but wasn't super enthused because England failed to qualify. (Doomed by horrible home form.)

I was born in England, raised by an English mother, and entire mum's side is from England. Went back several times as a child.

See this is what's the funniest part about your online persona. You simply can't handle people insulting you but you don't realize you reap what you sow. :)
 
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