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World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!
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jmh
win or lose, we booze
Re: World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!
I sent you my email in rep; drop me a line, I have a friend to put you in touch with.
Re: World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!
Of course you should go.
Are you going to Birmingham for a Villa game? I think that is the team you were assigned for the class.
Let me know in advance.
Of course you should go.
Are you going to Birmingham for a Villa game? I think that is the team you were assigned for the class.
Let me know in advance.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!
I'll be very interested to hear more about your trip when you get back, Biddco. Sounds like its a lot of fun (even if its really school for you).
I'll be very interested to hear more about your trip when you get back, Biddco. Sounds like its a lot of fun (even if its really school for you).
More reason to hate Bolton...
More reason to hate Bolton...
As if the stupid proposal of a two-tiered Premier League that eliminates promotion and relegation with the Football League wasn't enough, now they start messing with managers. Since they've taken Coyle from Burnley, the bookies now have Norwich manager Paul Lambert as favorite to take over at Burnley. He's saying all of the right things so far, but the temptation to jump to the top tier has to be pretty big. I'm comforting myself with the idea that in all likelihood both Norwich and Burnley will be in the Championship next year and the Canaries are a bigger club (yeah, i'm an optimist
), but who knows if he sees it that way. There's also the issue of our having stolen Lambert from Colchester immediately after they administered a 7-1 beating on the Canaries, so maybe it would be justice being served. Regardless, i've been very pleased with Lambert's work so far this season, and i'd hate to see him go!
More reason to hate Bolton...
As if the stupid proposal of a two-tiered Premier League that eliminates promotion and relegation with the Football League wasn't enough, now they start messing with managers. Since they've taken Coyle from Burnley, the bookies now have Norwich manager Paul Lambert as favorite to take over at Burnley. He's saying all of the right things so far, but the temptation to jump to the top tier has to be pretty big. I'm comforting myself with the idea that in all likelihood both Norwich and Burnley will be in the Championship next year and the Canaries are a bigger club (yeah, i'm an optimist
), but who knows if he sees it that way. There's also the issue of our having stolen Lambert from Colchester immediately after they administered a 7-1 beating on the Canaries, so maybe it would be justice being served. Regardless, i've been very pleased with Lambert's work so far this season, and i'd hate to see him go!ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!
What are the details on the two-table Prem League? How would they decide the lucky clubs that get to be permanent members of the top two leagues?
What are the details on the two-table Prem League? How would they decide the lucky clubs that get to be permanent members of the top two leagues?
Bolton is worthless
Bolton is worthless
My understanding of the proposal is that Celtic and Rangers would join the Premier League and they along with the top 34 teams in the English structure would form a two-tiered top league with 18 clubs in each tier. Celtic and Rangers would start in the lower tier. There would be promotion and relegation between those two leagues, but there would no longer be movement between the second and third tiers.
My thought is that Bolton sees the writing on the wall in that they've been punching above their weight for several years now and are in danger of slipping up badly. This would guarantee that they are perpetually in with the big clubs.
Some of the lower league teams actually like the idea as it could come with kicking the Premier League teams out of the league cup. They would then have a shot at European football. I still think it's pretty dumb though!
Bolton is worthless
My understanding of the proposal is that Celtic and Rangers would join the Premier League and they along with the top 34 teams in the English structure would form a two-tiered top league with 18 clubs in each tier. Celtic and Rangers would start in the lower tier. There would be promotion and relegation between those two leagues, but there would no longer be movement between the second and third tiers.
My thought is that Bolton sees the writing on the wall in that they've been punching above their weight for several years now and are in danger of slipping up badly. This would guarantee that they are perpetually in with the big clubs.
Some of the lower league teams actually like the idea as it could come with kicking the Premier League teams out of the league cup. They would then have a shot at European football. I still think it's pretty dumb though!
jmh
win or lose, we booze
Zak Whitbread?
Zak Whitbread?
On an unrelated note, Norwich signed defender Zak Whitbread from Millwall today. He's American-born but grew up in England. I think he's been in consideration for the US men's team. Do any of you who follow these issues more closely than i do know much about him? He came up through the Liverpool system, but he never really got a shot there.
Zak Whitbread?
On an unrelated note, Norwich signed defender Zak Whitbread from Millwall today. He's American-born but grew up in England. I think he's been in consideration for the US men's team. Do any of you who follow these issues more closely than i do know much about him? He came up through the Liverpool system, but he never really got a shot there.
BoomGoestheDynamite
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Re: Bolton is worthless
Re: Bolton is worthless
I can't see the lower leagues ever agreeing to it. Does that mean Leeds United last year would've been permanently barred from ever returning to the Premiership?
I was always under the impression the Premier 1/2 system was more about extending the financial benefits of the Premier League down an extra level.
Re: Bolton is worthless
I can't see the lower leagues ever agreeing to it. Does that mean Leeds United last year would've been permanently barred from ever returning to the Premiership?
I was always under the impression the Premier 1/2 system was more about extending the financial benefits of the Premier League down an extra level.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Bolton is worthless
Re: Bolton is worthless
I supposed you'd have to gauge interest from Championship/League 1 level teams to see who'd be willing to go for this system.
Think of it this way: that's the Prem League, the Old Firm, and 14 Championship teams. How would you decide who gets to be in the uber Prem league? Suppose more than 34 English teams are interested? Where's the line of demarcation? Is it all based off of the final standings in the one season before it takes effect? Because then you could have a team that's traditionally been a top flight club (Sheffield Utd? Nott'm Forest?), and if they have one poorly timed season in the Championship and their top flight days are OVER.
Or do you look at an all-time table, which would screw over Spurs, Fulham, Reading, Leyton Orient, etc. in favor of teams like Stockport County?
As I figure, you can go from a franchise league to a promotion/relegation league and (eventually) be fair to the clubs. Not sure how it would work the other way around.
Re: Bolton is worthless
I supposed you'd have to gauge interest from Championship/League 1 level teams to see who'd be willing to go for this system.
Think of it this way: that's the Prem League, the Old Firm, and 14 Championship teams. How would you decide who gets to be in the uber Prem league? Suppose more than 34 English teams are interested? Where's the line of demarcation? Is it all based off of the final standings in the one season before it takes effect? Because then you could have a team that's traditionally been a top flight club (Sheffield Utd? Nott'm Forest?), and if they have one poorly timed season in the Championship and their top flight days are OVER.
Or do you look at an all-time table, which would screw over Spurs, Fulham, Reading, Leyton Orient, etc. in favor of teams like Stockport County?
As I figure, you can go from a franchise league to a promotion/relegation league and (eventually) be fair to the clubs. Not sure how it would work the other way around.
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
Re: World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!
I hate it. All teams should be able to get to the Premiership if they work hard and slowly move up.
This would doom teams like Charlton. Now if they allow promotion and relegation between the top 3 leagues it makes more sense.
I hate it. All teams should be able to get to the Premiership if they work hard and slowly move up.
This would doom teams like Charlton. Now if they allow promotion and relegation between the top 3 leagues it makes more sense.
AMC
Registered User
Re: World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!
Togo's team bus machine gunned at Angolan border, two players injured, driver dead:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8449319.stm
Togo's team bus machine gunned at Angolan border, two players injured, driver dead:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8449319.stm
The Uber-Premiership
The Uber-Premiership
I don't think they have determined who would be ruled into or out of the select 34 teams. If they simply went with the league standings at the end of the last season in the current system, lots of traditionally big teams would definitely be left out. This season the third tier has teams like Leeds, Southampton, Charlton, and Norwich. They'd all be barred from the top tier forever if it went down like that.
I just don't see any fair way of determining who is in and who is out. Plus it'd be lame to take away the possibility of advancement for all of the other teams. To me it's a total non-starter. However, the way it has been presented stresses the inclusion of of Celtic and Rangers (there are lots of people who would like to see this) and just mentions the franchising aspect as an oh-by-the-way...
The Uber-Premiership
I don't think they have determined who would be ruled into or out of the select 34 teams. If they simply went with the league standings at the end of the last season in the current system, lots of traditionally big teams would definitely be left out. This season the third tier has teams like Leeds, Southampton, Charlton, and Norwich. They'd all be barred from the top tier forever if it went down like that.
I just don't see any fair way of determining who is in and who is out. Plus it'd be lame to take away the possibility of advancement for all of the other teams. To me it's a total non-starter. However, the way it has been presented stresses the inclusion of of Celtic and Rangers (there are lots of people who would like to see this) and just mentions the franchising aspect as an oh-by-the-way...
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/soccerinsider/2010/01/us_world_cup_cities_cutdown_tu.html
US will be cutting down their list of applicant cities from 27 to 18 for the final bid for 2018/2022.
Keeping in mind that a lot can change in terms of stadium situations in 8/12 years, I think there are some sub-par facilities on the list that will be retained in the bid simply due to the attractiveness of the market.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/soccerinsider/2010/01/us_world_cup_cities_cutdown_tu.html
US will be cutting down their list of applicant cities from 27 to 18 for the final bid for 2018/2022.
Keeping in mind that a lot can change in terms of stadium situations in 8/12 years, I think there are some sub-par facilities on the list that will be retained in the bid simply due to the attractiveness of the market.
BoomGoestheDynamite
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Yeah I always assumed Stanford Stadium is being kept around simply to keep the seat warm for what would likely be a new 49ers "international soccer ready" Stadium. Same thing for LA, now with this new facility in City of Industry apparently moving forward.
How many would they actually use in a world cup? They used 20 in 2002, but I seem to think they'd opt for a much smaller number (say 12) this time around.
edit: Having said that, Oakland is sure to get cut. The Coliseum is a hole and they'd never put two venues in the Bay Area anyway.
Yeah I always assumed Stanford Stadium is being kept around simply to keep the seat warm for what would likely be a new 49ers "international soccer ready" Stadium. Same thing for LA, now with this new facility in City of Industry apparently moving forward.
How many would they actually use in a world cup? They used 20 in 2002, but I seem to think they'd opt for a much smaller number (say 12) this time around.
edit: Having said that, Oakland is sure to get cut. The Coliseum is a hole and they'd never put two venues in the Bay Area anyway.
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jmh
win or lose, we booze
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I don't have any interest in Celtic and Rangers in the Premier League. I can't figure out who would, other than Celtic and Rangers.
I don't have any interest in Celtic and Rangers in the Premier League. I can't figure out who would, other than Celtic and Rangers.
I felt bad about axing St. Louis, given its strong soccer history, but... would FIFA play World Cup matches inside? I don't think they would. Same goes for Indianapolis, except for the part about feeling bad. Baltimore is too close to DC. Jacksonville and Orlando are overkill with Tampa and Miami included in the bid. Oakland is out because the Coliseum is a ****hole. Cleveland is out because it's Cleveland. Nashville is out because it's Nashville. Phoenix is out because Arizona in the summer is not something I'd want to subject anyone to. Tampa, Charlotte, Detroit and Atlanta are all kinda borderline.
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