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World Soccer X: Duh, duh, duh, duh...The Champions!

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Oh goodness, I don't think I've ever seen a Brazilian blow a chat like that?
 
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Wait, there are internationals going on today? Even though there are club matches tomorrow?
 
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Patman said:
You know what, that's exactly what insurance is for and if the clubs don't like it then they can go and stuff it.
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This is why players like Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Jamie Carragher, et al, retire early from international play, and why Alex Ferguson does everything he can to get his guys out of international duty. It has become club before country, and the country should be on the hook for paying wages while the player is injured during international play, whether that be through insurance (held by the country) or not.
 
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Nathan said:
This is why players like Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Jamie Carragher, et al, retire early from international play, and why Alex Ferguson does everything he can to get his guys out of international duty. It has become club before country, and the country should be on the hook for paying wages while the player is injured during international play, whether that be through insurance (held by the country) or not.
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Quoting because you are the most recent, not because I disagree or anything.

The issue with putting the onus on the countries and not the teams is that there are maybe four or five countries in the world where Joe Football Fan places club above country. England is obviously one, where the average fan lives and dies weekly with one of the big Four, and follows the national team as an exercise in schaudenfreud. Italy, where the fans of the Milan teams, Juve and the Rome teams get excited about World Cup Qualifiers as yet another chance to stab traveling fans, but probably care more about their clubs. Spain, France and Germany could have the arguments made as well.

Every other country is national teams above all others. I don't think fans or FAs would react well if there were an expanded ability of club teams to place onerous demands on FAs to ensure player availability (side note- could like Ivory Coast even AFFORD to insure Drogba?).

Now, those five European countries may have the juice to make this change. But in my opinion, it would essentially be a giant "F U" to the rest of the world.
 
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Umm... PKs aren't that hard guys.
 
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Re: Club vs Country

Seems like the club teams could avoid this even being an issue by simply putting the language in their contracts.

If you are injured playing for your country (voluntarily) we don't have to pay you until you are fit to return.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
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Seems like the club teams could avoid this even being an issue by simply putting the language in their contracts.

If you are injured playing for your country (voluntarily) we don't have to pay you until you are fit to return.
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Like I said, FIFA explicitly disallows this.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Ah, then clubs should complain about that, not about countries insuring their players.
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Either way it would be a solution but FIFA would never give the clubs that kind of power.

So a much easier way would be to force the feds to just pay the insurance.
 
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As FIFA's regulations are written right now, it is the clubs' responsibility to pay the insurance.
 
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Craig P. said:
As FIFA's regulations are written right now, it is the clubs' responsibility to pay the insurance.
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So FIFA writes the rules and wait for it, benefits explicitly by this...and is the highest governing body.

What a great set-up.

If someone is going to borrow your car, and they wreck it you expect them to have their own insurance and to pay for it themselves.

You shouldn't expect to go through your insurance if someone borrowed your car, right?

A way you could explain it is this: pretend a cop needs to requisition your vehicle. Don't you think the PD has the insurance to cover that? Why would you have to go through your own insurance when someone uses your property? No way.

Because they're not really borrowing it, they're stealing it.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
If someone is going to borrow your car, and they wreck it you expect them to have their own insurance and to pay for it themselves.
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Except it's not just your car, it's a car that you and they both own. And you knew when you bought the car that they might use it from time to time. And the car appreciates in value due to the fact that they use it.
 
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jmh said:
Except it's not just your car, it's a car that you and they both own. And you knew when you bought the car that they might use it from time to time. And the car appreciates in value due to the fact that they use it.
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And you explicitly schedule your use of the car to allow the other party to use it when they need...you know the risk of letting them use it...if it means that much to you then you should be prepared should something happen.
 
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jmh said:
Except it's not just your car, it's a car that you and they both own. And you knew when you bought the car that they might use it from time to time. And the car appreciates in value due to the fact that they use it.
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1) Why does anyone else own the player besides the club? Does the USA for other sports also have joint ownership?

2) I don't know where to go with that analogy, except that you buy a car knowing a cop might requisition it for a police chase.

3) Not necessarily true, the car might depreciate in value due to the fact that they use it.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
So FIFA writes the rules and wait for it, benefits explicitly by this...and is the highest governing body.
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And the clubs don't benefit by following FIFA's rules? If not, what's stopping the top clubs from forming their own league outside of FIFA?
 
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