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Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time

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oldicecoach said:
When there is a timeout or a critical point in the game Shuey is the one diagramming plays and instructing the troops. Eaves stands up on the bench seemingly not paying attention. Apparently he has picked up a lot of hockey knowledge overseeing ice rink operations.
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Knowledge and coaching are two very different things. You think that is good the head coach is not paying attention or diagramming plays as you state it?

Bottom line the coaching staff isn't getting it done.
 
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There's a lot of times when the HC doesn't diagram the play. Last weekend at the UW gal's games for instance, the UMD top assistant was doing that all the time (we always sit behind the opposing bench), though she has a tad more experience than the 2 UW guys combined. That experience is key, not who is doing it. She was even diagraming for the shootout, which seems funny to me.

I do want to apologize for getting a little too whipped up into a frenzy on the Boeser phone call thing. We would need to know the context and timing of it to use this as another ****ing fact. The record and what we see on the ice is enough.
 
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WiscTJK said:
You think that is good the head coach is not paying attention or diagramming plays as you state it?
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It's a very common practice in hockey, and in other sports, it depends on the HC. McCarthy has called plays for the Packers, a lot of head coaches don't. Now McCarthy isn't going to either. I don't think the great Al McGuire ever diagrammed a play in his life. Shuey is certainly capable of drawing up a faceoff play and coaching situational hockey. Which plays they run are the least of the problems.

The point isn't that anyone can't criticize Shuchuk for what he does or doesn't do as a coach, they certainly can. It's that his qualifications are sufficient to be an assistant college hockey coach. He was a captain everywhere below the NHL and an assistant coach in the AHL at Springfield under Marty McSorley while playing his last pro year. I'd imagine he took the Madison Ice job for the same reasons anybody raising a family does. The pay was sufficient, he could stay in one place, (in Madison) and still coach hockey. Not because he couldn't get/wasn't qualified for a hockey coaching job somewhere else.

Shuey is a guy that made a good career out of a great pair of hands and a relentless attitude. And pretty much nothing else. That appeals to me personally, but again, it doesn't mean he is the very best guy in the entire world for his current position, or that he shouldn't be open for criticism for the actual performance of his job. Criticizing him for being just a "local rink manager" is baseless and ignorant.
 
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Timothy A said:
I do want to apologize for getting a little too whipped up into a frenzy on the Boeser phone call thing. We would need to know the context and timing of it to use this as another ****ing fact. The record and what we see on the ice is enough.
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Not your fault. Andy's original statement clearly implied that UW coaches were completely unaware one of their recruits was currently playing (in season) in the USHL. His second statement back tracked from that and maybe instead they were just unaware of his physical location at the moment of the call.

Who knows now? Maybe they just said, "Hey ya' Brock, how's it going? How was everything up in good ol' Burnsville?"

And he replied, "What the ****!? I'm in Waterloo! Been here for three ****ing days you MORON!!!!! I'M SO THROUGH WITH YOU GUYS!"

Probably not, but unless Andy chooses to clarify it more, which it doesn't seem like he will, it's pretty hard to put any faith in any of it.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
It's a very common practice in hockey, and in other sports, it depends on the HC. McCarthy has called plays for the Packers, a lot of head coaches don't. Now McCarthy isn't going to either. I don't think the great Al McGuire ever diagrammed a play in his life. Shuey is certainly capable of drawing up a faceoff play and coaching situational hockey. Which plays they run are the least of the problems.

The point isn't that anyone can't criticize Shuchuk for what he does or doesn't do as a coach, they certainly can. It's that his qualifications are sufficient to be an assistant college hockey coach. He was a captain everywhere below the NHL and an assistant coach in the AHL at Springfield under Marty McSorley while playing his last pro year. I'd imagine he took the Madison Ice job for the same reasons anybody raising a family does. The pay was sufficient, he could stay in one place, (in Madison) and still coach hockey. Not because he couldn't get/wasn't qualified for a hockey coaching job somewhere else.

Shuey is a guy that made a good career out of a great pair of hands and a relentless attitude. And pretty much nothing else. That appeals to me personally, but again, it doesn't mean he is the very best guy in the entire world for his current position, or that he shouldn't be open for criticism for the actual performance of his job. Criticizing him for being just a "local rink manager" is baseless and ignorant.
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You don't know me or what I know but call me ignorant. The point is he certainly wasn't the best person for the job with no experience coaching or recruiting at anywhere near this level. Again I don't blame him I blame the guy doing the hiring. I am done with these threads. Nothing is going to happen to your golden boy eaves and his inexperienced assistants anyway as the athletic department and king Barry apparently don't care about the state of the program.
 
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Guys... I think it is fair to say that if any comment like that occurred, it likely meant little in the big picture. It is pretty obvious that the kid got spooked by what he saw on the ice and (likely) how he thought it might look when he's in college (which will probably only be a few seasons anyway). Decommitting right before the signing period sort of tips that hand. If it was about anything else, he likely would have decommitted much sooner.

He wouldn't be heading to UND if UW looked even half decent this year. He'd go to where he wanted to in the first place.
 
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Hammy said:
Guys... I think it is fair to say that if any comment like that occurred, it likely meant little in the big picture. It is pretty obvious that the kid got spooked by what he saw on the ice and (likely) how he thought it might look when he's in college (which will probably only be a few seasons anyway). Decommitting right before the signing period sort of tips that hand. If it was about anything else, he likely would have decommitted much sooner.

He wouldn't be heading to UND if UW looked even half decent this year. He'd go to where he wanted to in the first place.
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That is all probably very true. But I don't know if that's even the question. There is a large contingent here that (understandably) want Eaves' head on a platter. Andy, who is well respected for his work and is sometimes in a position to know behind the scenes info, implied here and elsewhere that the Badger coaches blew up Boeser's recruitment somehow. People (that don't post on this board) are even asking me if that's actually true. Seems all around the question folks are more interested in knowing the answer to is was the UW staff incompetent, or not? And if so, how?
 
Wisko McBadgerton said:
That is all probably very true. But I don't know if that's even the question. There is a large contingent here that (understandably) want Eaves' head on a platter. Andy, who is well respected for his work and is sometimes in a position to know behind the scenes info, implied here and elsewhere that the Badger coaches blew up Boeser's recruitment somehow. People (that don't post on this board) are even asking me if that's actually true. Seems all around the question folks are more interested in knowing the answer to is was the UW staff incompetent, or not? And if so, how?
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Hammy has the right idea. I believe Boeser's decommit was rooted on the status of the program and where they will be in his limited time in school. I think he really wanted to go to UW but couldn't realistically do it given the current state. I think there's also a realistic fear with forwards that Eaves will stifle them offensively. Whether that is true or not, there are people out there that believe it.

As for the other stuff, I'm not sure how much it mattered. I think he's still a Badger if things didn't look so bleak with the program. I Just didn't like the way I heard they handled the recruitment and I fired off a post in frustration. I need to be better than that. I apologize. I also think they could have done a better job with communication when he was still committed.
 
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I'm gonna get nailed by some but here goes;

JFC, you apologists, what the **** do you guys see that nobody else does? This is insane. This is one of, if not the worst D-1 college hockey teams I have ever seen. I AM NOT BLAMING THE PLAYERS. As I've stated before, if I were offered a scholarship, I'm there. This situation will not get any better soon.

Brock is not the last blue chipper we'll lose; stay tuned.

Yeah, yeah, they're young blah, blah, climb the mountain, blah, blah, puppies, kittens, little birdies. Kumbaya....BULL ****!
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
Hammy has the right idea. I believe Boeser's decommit was rooted on the status of the program and where they will be in his limited time in school. I think he really wanted to go to UW but couldn't realistically do it given the current state. I think there's also a realistic fear with forwards that Eaves will stifle them offensively. Whether that is true or not, there are people out there that believe it.

As for the other stuff, I'm not sure how much it mattered. I think he's still a Badger if things didn't look so bleak with the program. I Just didn't like the way I heard they handled the recruitment and I fired off a post in frustration. I need to be better than that. I apologize. I also think they could have done a better job with communication when he was still committed.
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Excellent post and really well said. Thanks very much for taking the time to post and clarifying your thoughts on the subject.


Moving forward, it appears the Badgers will now be in the market for one additional forward, and probably an additional defenseman for next year. It's going to be an interesting spring on that front.
 
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MadCityRich said:
I'm gonna get nailed by some but here goes;

JFC, you apologists, what the **** do you guys see that nobody else does? This is insane. This is one of, if not the worst D-1 college hockey teams I have ever seen. I AM NOT BLAMING THE PLAYERS. As I've stated before, if I were offered a scholarship, I'm there. This situation will not get any better soon.

Brock is not the last blue chipper we'll lose; stay tuned.

Yeah, yeah, they're young blah, blah, climb the mountain, blah, blah, puppies, kittens, little birdies. Kumbaya....BULL ****!
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right on MCR! Oh wait,...3 wins now...Ship is turning around;)
 
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You are 50 on Krach. so you got that.
 
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Here's my updated projections for recruiting classes. 2018-19 should be fun with a projected 8 freshmen up front.

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Can you post the defense? Besse has to be a departure risk. I'm sure somehow it won't shake out to 8 freshmen forwards that year.
 
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Bonin21 said:
Can you post the defense? Besse has to be a departure risk. I'm sure somehow it won't shake out to 8 freshmen forwards that year.
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Obviously anything is possible, but he has a lot of holes in his game. He has an NHL trait, the ability to shoot the puck. In these sort of situations I kind of look at the past history of a kid. He had every opportunity to leave in high school and didn't. It's not a perfect blueprint by any means, but I think he'll stay all four years.

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