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Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
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I had not seen this article when I asked the question.
https://madison.com/sports/college/hockey/losing-season-isn-t-derailing-tony-granato-s-approach-to/article_db02ff91-cbca-5e10-8623-8dfb88921bfc.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
Last weekend Holloway was 1g 2a in 2 games.
There is one AJHL team that is 52-3 for the year. :O The Brooks Bandits. Their goal differential is +193. The next best is +94, Holloway's team, the Okotoks Oilers.
Oz's kid Jake is up for WI Mr. Hockey. I wonder what is plans for the future are.
Last weekend Holloway was 1g 2a in 2 games.
There is one AJHL team that is 52-3 for the year. :O The Brooks Bandits. Their goal differential is +193. The next best is +94, Holloway's team, the Okotoks Oilers.
Oz's kid Jake is up for WI Mr. Hockey. I wonder what is plans for the future are.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
Added Ryder Donovan to next years forwards.
Didn't see that one coming...
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/coll...cle_707d8146-6d5e-520c-856c-3b88b2d22462.html
Added Ryder Donovan to next years forwards.
Didn't see that one coming...
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/coll...cle_707d8146-6d5e-520c-856c-3b88b2d22462.html
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
That's a pretty significant move. Big kid with very good skates and terrific hands -- should really fit in nicely with the way Tony wants to play. Great addition!
I thought Mathieu De St Phalle would be the next guy added for next year as I think he's been close to a point per game since joining the Chicago Steel. Maybe another year in Juniors for him though. Obviously some older players in the pipeline may never get here, and possibly too, some here, will not finish their careers here.
That's a pretty significant move. Big kid with very good skates and terrific hands -- should really fit in nicely with the way Tony wants to play. Great addition!
I thought Mathieu De St Phalle would be the next guy added for next year as I think he's been close to a point per game since joining the Chicago Steel. Maybe another year in Juniors for him though. Obviously some older players in the pipeline may never get here, and possibly too, some here, will not finish their careers here.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
Brooks is loaded to the gills with 19 year old D-1 players. I think the 15th leading scorer for the Bandits is heading to Lowell next year and all but one or two above him are doing the same at other D-1 schools. Brooks shut out Okotoks 4-0 a week or two ago, one of the few games Holloway has been kept off the score sheet. Last year it was Okotoks that was winning 50 plus games with (now Sue player) first rounder Jacob Bernard-Docker and a slew of older D-1 players.
Jake, I assume, will try to play Juniors with the Capitols (they own his rights) and try to develop his game to get a D-1 opportunity. I'm sure it's a dream to be a Badger, but he has work to do given the kinds of players they are recruiting.
Brooks is loaded to the gills with 19 year old D-1 players. I think the 15th leading scorer for the Bandits is heading to Lowell next year and all but one or two above him are doing the same at other D-1 schools. Brooks shut out Okotoks 4-0 a week or two ago, one of the few games Holloway has been kept off the score sheet. Last year it was Okotoks that was winning 50 plus games with (now Sue player) first rounder Jacob Bernard-Docker and a slew of older D-1 players.
Jake, I assume, will try to play Juniors with the Capitols (they own his rights) and try to develop his game to get a D-1 opportunity. I'm sure it's a dream to be a Badger, but he has work to do given the kinds of players they are recruiting.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
That would seem to be a good idea. Take a year with the Caps and see what happens and see if a spot opens for him. Maybe walk on at that point.
That would seem to be a good idea. Take a year with the Caps and see what happens and see if a spot opens for him. Maybe walk on at that point.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Another good one, let's see if they all get coached up. That's our concern!
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
Remember when we were all drooling over the prospect of Massimo Rizzo? (Who is a terriffic player.) Well, Ryder is 12 spots higher on the Central Scouting mid term.
Lindmark is only 8 spots lower than Rizzo and is now the 5th best forward in next year's class. Crazy.
Have to rethink that top six for next year all over again.
Remember when we were all drooling over the prospect of Massimo Rizzo? (Who is a terriffic player.) Well, Ryder is 12 spots higher on the Central Scouting mid term.
Lindmark is only 8 spots lower than Rizzo and is now the 5th best forward in next year's class. Crazy.
Have to rethink that top six for next year all over again.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
Please please please please please please please just meet like... 65% of our expectations.
Please please please please please please please just meet like... 65% of our expectations.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
Feels freaking awesome to poach one from the sue finally after losing out on a couple guys under MM.
UW has 25 F on the radar for the 20-21 season.
Feels freaking awesome to poach one from the sue finally after losing out on a couple guys under MM.
UW has 25 F on the radar for the 20-21 season.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
FYI....UW Women from a few weeks ago...Laney Potter commits..D...Pittsburg Pens Elite U14......2023-2024. Thanks for the spreadsheets!
FYI....UW Women from a few weeks ago...Laney Potter commits..D...Pittsburg Pens Elite U14......2023-2024. Thanks for the spreadsheets!
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
I truly appreciate the recruiting spreadsheet, but I don't think you can extrapolate a "# of forwards in 20XX from it"
One difference between the way the spreadsheet is done now and how Chuck did it is there is no projection for guys leaving early, which I think needs to be changed as it paints a wildly inaccurate picture from what the coaches are thinking. Alex Turcotte is never going to be a Senior at UW, but according to the spreadsheet he will be. I also think the entry year for some guys is off. Nobody is going to get all that stuff right as it is always changing.
That being said, I think there will definitely be forward decommitments along the way.
I truly appreciate the recruiting spreadsheet, but I don't think you can extrapolate a "# of forwards in 20XX from it"
One difference between the way the spreadsheet is done now and how Chuck did it is there is no projection for guys leaving early, which I think needs to be changed as it paints a wildly inaccurate picture from what the coaches are thinking. Alex Turcotte is never going to be a Senior at UW, but according to the spreadsheet he will be. I also think the entry year for some guys is off. Nobody is going to get all that stuff right as it is always changing.
That being said, I think there will definitely be forward decommitments along the way.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
It's understood that guys are going to early. My point was if 5 guys leave early by 20-21, they still have 20 F. We all know who the flight risks are. It's probably not likely that Bohlin, Almquist and Stevens are coming since they haven't signed their LOI's, or as far as I have seen anyway. From a pure scoring standpoint they aren't lighting it up this season.
It's understood that guys are going to early. My point was if 5 guys leave early by 20-21, they still have 20 F. We all know who the flight risks are. It's probably not likely that Bohlin, Almquist and Stevens are coming since they haven't signed their LOI's, or as far as I have seen anyway. From a pure scoring standpoint they aren't lighting it up this season.
WiscTJK
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
Gwhini thanks for continuing to update the spreadsheet! I think seeing the guys leaving early in green is understandable for most people.
Take away the green players and they still way over-recruited / recruited guys to early getting into the same issue MM did. They've added Ty Pelton-Byce and Ryder for next year, meaning several (like 5-7) of the guys recruited early aren't coming, some are being pushed back. That is not a good situation.
Gwhini thanks for continuing to update the spreadsheet! I think seeing the guys leaving early in green is understandable for most people.
Take away the green players and they still way over-recruited / recruited guys to early getting into the same issue MM did. They've added Ty Pelton-Byce and Ryder for next year, meaning several (like 5-7) of the guys recruited early aren't coming, some are being pushed back. That is not a good situation.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
I had see the Laney Potter commit, but didn't want to add the extra column yet.
Glad to do it. Wish I could find a way to make the spreadsheet a bit cleaner for the future, but it does really highlight how messy recruiting has become in the men's game. Tab over to the women's spreadsheet and you see how it should be.
I had see the Laney Potter commit, but didn't want to add the extra column yet.
Glad to do it. Wish I could find a way to make the spreadsheet a bit cleaner for the future, but it does really highlight how messy recruiting has become in the men's game. Tab over to the women's spreadsheet and you see how it should be.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
Wisco has definitely developed a reputation for over recruiting and not really caring about their recruits once committed. Sure, blue chip guys will always be coddled. We've seen how that has worked out for the traditional powerhouse programs. The top incoming recruits Wisconsin has are also surrounded by all NHL draft picks on the NDTP team. It's anticipated the entire NDTP u18 team will be drafted this year. That has never happened. Much easier to be great when playing with other top talent. Point being, Granato treats college like its the pros. Every kid in the upper Midwest would love to play for WI or MN. Yet well informed advisors/parents see the potential issues. All that to play for a consistently sub 20 team in the country? Drop a 4 year player like Cruikshank because he wasn't an NHL draft pick....interesting move. Good thing, Wisco fans can go south and play golf much earlier than the rest of the country.
Wisco has definitely developed a reputation for over recruiting and not really caring about their recruits once committed. Sure, blue chip guys will always be coddled. We've seen how that has worked out for the traditional powerhouse programs. The top incoming recruits Wisconsin has are also surrounded by all NHL draft picks on the NDTP team. It's anticipated the entire NDTP u18 team will be drafted this year. That has never happened. Much easier to be great when playing with other top talent. Point being, Granato treats college like its the pros. Every kid in the upper Midwest would love to play for WI or MN. Yet well informed advisors/parents see the potential issues. All that to play for a consistently sub 20 team in the country? Drop a 4 year player like Cruikshank because he wasn't an NHL draft pick....interesting move. Good thing, Wisco fans can go south and play golf much earlier than the rest of the country.
Wisco has not been loaded with talent yet so you are making a big assumption, but thanks for trolling. Back to your regularly scheduled boredom in the iron range.
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