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Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
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Timothy A
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
So UW will really have 3 first round picks playing F next year, one just won't be official until the next year.
So UW will really have 3 first round picks playing F next year, one just won't be official until the next year.
My potential forward line combination musings for next year from the other thread...
Weissbach-Turcotte-C. Caufield
Pelton-Byce-Holloway-S. Dhooghe
Gorniak-T. Baker-Lindmark
Ahcan-Mersch-B. Caufield
Zimmer-Messner-J. Dhooghe
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
I am drooling.
All 3 U18 lads scored goals against the Swedes today in a 7-5 loss. 2 rebound goals and a bad angle snipe by Caufield.
I am drooling.
All 3 U18 lads scored goals against the Swedes today in a 7-5 loss. 2 rebound goals and a bad angle snipe by Caufield.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
Hopefully that will awaken him, he had really good numbers in HS, he was over 2 pts a game his Sr. year, assuming his last year @ Holy Family was his Sr. year.
Saw a blurb Turcotte scored 2 today against the Fins. It bodes well the 3 Badgers are lighting the lamp against guys they play against in the Olympics years from now.
OZ tweeted he's out driving in snow-covered rds recruiting. Right now it's snowing in ND MN WI and MI.
Hopefully that will awaken him, he had really good numbers in HS, he was over 2 pts a game his Sr. year, assuming his last year @ Holy Family was his Sr. year.
Saw a blurb Turcotte scored 2 today against the Fins. It bodes well the 3 Badgers are lighting the lamp against guys they play against in the Olympics years from now.
OZ tweeted he's out driving in snow-covered rds recruiting. Right now it's snowing in ND MN WI and MI.
With LaMaster hurt all year and Keegan the only guy I can see that is committed that is old enough to come in and having to come directly from high school, it would not surprise me to see another defensemen recruited for next year. I'm assuming K'Andre will turn pro, Tischke graduates and they let LaMaster and Keegan play Juniors. Thoughts?
WiscTJK
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
I think they may need to add one defenseman to get to eight. This is where the loss of the Krygier bros hurts a bit. Keegan could come in with his size (6'-3" 230) or do a year of juniors. Lamaster will be 20 next fall so I still think he will be coming unless the injury won't allow it.
I think they may need to add one defenseman to get to eight. This is where the loss of the Krygier bros hurts a bit. Keegan could come in with his size (6'-3" 230) or do a year of juniors. Lamaster will be 20 next fall so I still think he will be coming unless the injury won't allow it.
Unless you're going off of some inside info, that's pretty unlikely. I wouldn't be shocked if it happened, but I would be very surprised (based on comparable players in comparable situations).
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
I'm not particularly good at predicting when guys will leave to the pros as I always see holes in their games and the advantages of staying in school. But with that caveat in mind, I think the chance K'Andre turns pro at the end of the year is pretty small. He's tremendously talented but he has a lot of work to do on the details of his game. At this point as an offensive Defenseman he's not running the top PP or even on it a good deal of the time. And that is behind Kalynuk who is terrific skating with the puck on his stick, or walking the blue line and shooting, but is a sub par passer. (You don't see many one-timers off a Kalynuk pass, as the puck often isn't coming to the tape, for example) As a defender K'Andre is reliant on his superior skates to get him out of trouble a bit too much, rather than being in proper position to start with. At the next level everyone else is as good of a skater as he is, so the fundamentals have to be a little stronger.
This is why I think Kalynuk will stay too. He is improving a lot but he can't just out skate elite skaters all the time and his fundamentals on D are still weak. Plus he has to learn to pass in zone much better as, to me, Kalynuk's future is as a PP specialist.
That could all be wrong and they both could go, it's happened plenty of times before. But there's also the lure of a strong team next year to come back to. I think Vorlickey comes in and replaces Tischke and we have 3 puck movers and 3 stay at home D on the blue line next year. Keegan and LaMaster play a year of juniors and we see what they have, Or maybe Lamaster comes in as more of a practice /emergency guy.
I'm not particularly good at predicting when guys will leave to the pros as I always see holes in their games and the advantages of staying in school. But with that caveat in mind, I think the chance K'Andre turns pro at the end of the year is pretty small. He's tremendously talented but he has a lot of work to do on the details of his game. At this point as an offensive Defenseman he's not running the top PP or even on it a good deal of the time. And that is behind Kalynuk who is terrific skating with the puck on his stick, or walking the blue line and shooting, but is a sub par passer. (You don't see many one-timers off a Kalynuk pass, as the puck often isn't coming to the tape, for example) As a defender K'Andre is reliant on his superior skates to get him out of trouble a bit too much, rather than being in proper position to start with. At the next level everyone else is as good of a skater as he is, so the fundamentals have to be a little stronger.
This is why I think Kalynuk will stay too. He is improving a lot but he can't just out skate elite skaters all the time and his fundamentals on D are still weak. Plus he has to learn to pass in zone much better as, to me, Kalynuk's future is as a PP specialist.
That could all be wrong and they both could go, it's happened plenty of times before. But there's also the lure of a strong team next year to come back to. I think Vorlickey comes in and replaces Tischke and we have 3 puck movers and 3 stay at home D on the blue line next year. Keegan and LaMaster play a year of juniors and we see what they have, Or maybe Lamaster comes in as more of a practice /emergency guy.
No inside info
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
Here's my initial idea:
Gorniak - Turcotte - Caufield
Weissbach - Holloway - Pelton-Byce
Achan - Lindmark - S.Dhooghe/Zimmer/ B.Caufield
Baker - Mersch - Messner
J.Dhooghe
Mostly I like the idea of Baker-Mersch-Messner as a terrorizing, shut-down, 4th line that you try to match against top lines as much as possible. I think Baker will be more effective on the wing digging pucks out and generally causing havoc and not having to worry about his backchecking responsibility so much, and Mersch and Messner have good awareness and the skill and determination to possess the puck, and even get some in the net. Gorniak is a physical freak that is really starting to dominate puck battles, plus he can skate like the wind, so I'd like to give him a shot at getting the puck out for Turcotte and Caufield to put away. Holloway is spectacular but young in experience so give him the older wings. Lindmark is going to be a player like Khodorenko for MI St. I think he's underrated as a C. He's the 3rd C at the NTDP by virtue of playing behind the upcoming 1st overall pick in Jack Hughes, and Turcotte, who I've seen as high as 3rd on some draft boards, but almost certainly a top 10 pick. I'm high on Lindmark's game and think he would be a top 2 C almost anywhere. Achan just has to be on the ice. So that leaves a battle for the remaining wing spot.
Also, I'm going to put Holloway-Turcotte-Caufield all together on the top PP and just assume they are going to score every time.
Here's my initial idea:
Gorniak - Turcotte - Caufield
Weissbach - Holloway - Pelton-Byce
Achan - Lindmark - S.Dhooghe/Zimmer/ B.Caufield
Baker - Mersch - Messner
J.Dhooghe
Mostly I like the idea of Baker-Mersch-Messner as a terrorizing, shut-down, 4th line that you try to match against top lines as much as possible. I think Baker will be more effective on the wing digging pucks out and generally causing havoc and not having to worry about his backchecking responsibility so much, and Mersch and Messner have good awareness and the skill and determination to possess the puck, and even get some in the net. Gorniak is a physical freak that is really starting to dominate puck battles, plus he can skate like the wind, so I'd like to give him a shot at getting the puck out for Turcotte and Caufield to put away. Holloway is spectacular but young in experience so give him the older wings. Lindmark is going to be a player like Khodorenko for MI St. I think he's underrated as a C. He's the 3rd C at the NTDP by virtue of playing behind the upcoming 1st overall pick in Jack Hughes, and Turcotte, who I've seen as high as 3rd on some draft boards, but almost certainly a top 10 pick. I'm high on Lindmark's game and think he would be a top 2 C almost anywhere. Achan just has to be on the ice. So that leaves a battle for the remaining wing spot.
Also, I'm going to put Holloway-Turcotte-Caufield all together on the top PP and just assume they are going to score every time.
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digitalbooya
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
Gorniak isn't even a 1st line player on this year's team. How does he suddenly become a 1st line player with all the forward talent coming in? He's a turnover machine too. I guess the hope is that will get better as he goes but progress isn't exactly a thing Wisconsin is experiencing.
Gorniak isn't even a 1st line player on this year's team. How does he suddenly become a 1st line player with all the forward talent coming in? He's a turnover machine too. I guess the hope is that will get better as he goes but progress isn't exactly a thing Wisconsin is experiencing.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
The thought is that he has speed and is highly regarded, so put him with those guys and get his confidence rolling. I HOPE they can coach the turnovers out of him and the rest of the team. Or instead of Gorniak with those guys, put a Burish/Rohlik/Hukalo/Sagissor guy with them.
The thought is that he has speed and is highly regarded, so put him with those guys and get his confidence rolling. I HOPE they can coach the turnovers out of him and the rest of the team. Or instead of Gorniak with those guys, put a Burish/Rohlik/Hukalo/Sagissor guy with them.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
The 5 nations series concluded with Turcotte 4g 1a, Caufield 3g 2a Lindmark 2g 1a.
Holloway has scored points in 38 of the 46 games he has played in, 34g 47a.
I know it's an all your eggs are in one basket, but think of a PP of Weissbach, Turcotte, Caufield, Holloway and a D. The D will need to move the puck quickly and think fast.
The 5 nations series concluded with Turcotte 4g 1a, Caufield 3g 2a Lindmark 2g 1a.
Holloway has scored points in 38 of the 46 games he has played in, 34g 47a.
I know it's an all your eggs are in one basket, but think of a PP of Weissbach, Turcotte, Caufield, Holloway and a D. The D will need to move the puck quickly and think fast.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
And by the looks of it, those guys for being unheralded can play. They all have 10 pts and haven't looked out of place.
And by the looks of it, those guys for being unheralded can play. They all have 10 pts and haven't looked out of place.
WiscTJK
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
I've said before this year started, this group of freshman reminds me of the Burish / Licari freshman group in 2006. Mersch and Messner were captains of their USHL team. Couple that leadership and with a lot of grit and energy - blue collar types in this group. I just expected improvement as the year progressed.
I've said before this year started, this group of freshman reminds me of the Burish / Licari freshman group in 2006. Mersch and Messner were captains of their USHL team. Couple that leadership and with a lot of grit and energy - blue collar types in this group. I just expected improvement as the year progressed.
Do you think they have not improved? Or are you basing your statement solely on the team's record?
This question us essentially the difference between what the coaching staff is saying and the naysayers on the message board are saying. Even though it has not translated to wins, thecoaching staff feel like the Freshmen have made progress.
WiscTJK
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together
I am not a college hockey coach and haven't coached college athletics, but I have a college athlete son, coach high school Lacrosse, and have coached at various youth levels of baseball, lacrosse, and soccer. So it's what I've seen watching almost every single game this year and most every home game live. Does this make me an expert? No, not at all and I would never say that, but I watch with a coaches mentality.
The mental errors, stupid penalties, lack of defensive zone presence/blown coverage seems to not have improved. Special teams and faceoffs have been atrocious. I can live with the limited fire power on offense, but that means it's doubly important to have hard work and correct play on the defensive end. I can even live with a lackluster effort on certain games or for a period or two as hockey, like lacrosse, is a game of flow and runs.
The thing that gets me is the two largest crowds in the last two years were last year Saturday Minnesota and OSU this past weekend. Both of those games had a distinctive lack of effort when they should have been jacked to play those games and come out all guns blazing. Tony even called the second period Saturday, their worst of the year. That is a team and coach leadership issue and is very concerning.
Sorry for the long winded response.....
I am not a college hockey coach and haven't coached college athletics, but I have a college athlete son, coach high school Lacrosse, and have coached at various youth levels of baseball, lacrosse, and soccer. So it's what I've seen watching almost every single game this year and most every home game live. Does this make me an expert? No, not at all and I would never say that, but I watch with a coaches mentality.
The mental errors, stupid penalties, lack of defensive zone presence/blown coverage seems to not have improved. Special teams and faceoffs have been atrocious. I can live with the limited fire power on offense, but that means it's doubly important to have hard work and correct play on the defensive end. I can even live with a lackluster effort on certain games or for a period or two as hockey, like lacrosse, is a game of flow and runs.
The thing that gets me is the two largest crowds in the last two years were last year Saturday Minnesota and OSU this past weekend. Both of those games had a distinctive lack of effort when they should have been jacked to play those games and come out all guns blazing. Tony even called the second period Saturday, their worst of the year. That is a team and coach leadership issue and is very concerning.
Sorry for the long winded response.....
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