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Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. III - Building a better tomorrow...today!

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gwhinwi said:
That would make sense. Not a lot of schools are doing full-rides at this point. A good deal are 66 to 75%.
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based on your spreadsheet we appear to be over recruited at D and under for F next year now that Grant isn't coming. And if Frederic leaves, we are at lack of depth. I don't get it.
 
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WiscTJK said:
based on your spreadsheet we appear to be over recruited at D and under for F next year now that Grant isn't coming. And if Frederic leaves, we are at lack of depth. I don't get it.
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It's going to be interesting in April when the regular signing window opens. We'll have a lot of adjustments to make in the roster at that point, I'm sure.
 
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Disappointing to lose Cruikshank as the video I've seen on him has been very impressive, he's an outstanding character kid, plus there was the cachet of having his parents connected to the program.

It seems clear the staff wanted the Krygier's next year a lot more than they wanted Bliss and Cruikshank, as it seems pretty likely those two had offers reduced. Bliss is off to a hot start, 6th in USHL scoring early, and Cruikshank is tied for the lead in goals, third in points on the Vees.

We're carrying 10 D right now so the D numbers next year will probably be workable, but we're almost sure to be looking at 13 F's that are signed right now. I think Roman Ahcan is the only '99 born playing USHL this year as I believe Almquist and Gorniak are returning to High School, so Achan seems the most likely of the committed candidates to accelerate. Aleksi Peltonen is a big question mark at the moment, and brother Jesper is a D in a crowded field so I'm not too keen on that working out? Although I guess there's the possibility that Emberson and Miller are short timers.

So maybe they go for Brock Caufield, a reasonably good but undersized (5'8") player in an effort to get Cole too? But of course Cole would be a '19 recruit, where I don't really see Owen Lindmark being put off to '20 based on what I've seen of him. Plus Rizzo will be a '19 recruit for someone, ( rumors are UND, Wisco, Denver in the running). That would make 19 or 20 F's for '19 -'20? Obviously something has to give. Maybe 5 or 6 guys turn pro?

It's a real mystery at the moment.
 
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While Bliss is off to a nice start, he also turns 20 in a few months (playing lots of 18/19 year olds) and he was beyond abysmal last season with 1 assist in 24 games for Green Bay and spending time in the NAHL. Cruikshank seems like a more prominent loss, but if my choice is him or having money for Caufield(s) &/or Rizzo, that is a real easy choice.

Peltonen's would seem like you wouldn't mind the Dman, but have such a backlog of talent at that position that it probably don't make sense for either side at this point. The forward (Aleksi) would seem to be a stretch at this point to play D1 when he is playing NAHL in his 19 year old year unless it is as a depth not much/any scholarship money type of player. The older Caufield could fill a depth role and seems way ahead of where Aleksi as he is playing his second full season of USHL this year while the year older Aleksi hasn't made it to the USHL level.

Minus the Peltonen's, the D group is not THAT crowded when you consider Bunz and Sexton are not playing this year and are not all that likely to next year given the talent in front of them. I do think Tischke may have some pro team willing to sign him as a developmental lottery ticket if he puts up a strong junior season.
 
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Bliss doesn't surprise me in that he's a prototypical Eaves system recruit. A big, strong, two-way kid with some skill and offensive potential, which I guess is starting to show. (In fact, IIRC, Eaves committed Bliss himself when he had no assistants.) It's not surprising given Tony's system that Tony wouldn't be as high on Bliss in any case. But Cruikshank seemed like a perfect fit, the kid can really skate, plus he can put the puck away. I gotta believe they still wanted him, just at less money. The funny thing is though, he's an in-state tuition kid. A 70% ride somewhere else seems likely to be more costly to him in real money. Recruiting is weird that way though.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
Bliss doesn't surprise me in that he's a prototypical Eaves system recruit. A big, strong, two-way kid with some skill and offensive potential, which I guess is starting to show. (In fact, IIRC, Eaves committed Bliss himself when he had no assistants.) It's not surprising given Tony's system that Tony wouldn't be as high on Bliss in any case. But Cruikshank seemed like a perfect fit, the kid can really skate, plus he can put the puck away. I gotta believe they still wanted him, just at less money. The funny thing is though, he's an in-state tuition kid. A 70% ride somewhere else seems likely to be more costly to him in real money. Recruiting is weird that way though.
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Hard to put a numbers value on living in Grand Forks.
 
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markwojo said:
While Bliss is off to a nice start, he also turns 20 in a few months (playing lots of 18/19 year olds) and he was beyond abysmal last season with 1 assist in 24 games for Green Bay and spending time in the NAHL. Cruikshank seems like a more prominent loss, but if my choice is him or having money for Caufield(s) &/or Rizzo, that is a real easy choice.

Peltonen's would seem like you wouldn't mind the Dman, but have such a backlog of talent at that position that it probably don't make sense for either side at this point. The forward (Aleksi) would seem to be a stretch at this point to play D1 when he is playing NAHL in his 19 year old year unless it is as a depth not much/any scholarship money type of player. The older Caufield could fill a depth role and seems way ahead of where Aleksi as he is playing his second full season of USHL this year while the year older Aleksi hasn't made it to the USHL level.

Minus the Peltonen's, the D group is not THAT crowded when you consider Bunz and Sexton are not playing this year and are not all that likely to next year given the talent in front of them. I do think Tischke may have some pro team willing to sign him as a developmental lottery ticket if he puts up a strong junior season.
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Thanks for your explanation. I feel much better about things now....
 
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WiscTJK said:
According to Posick on the radio this morning, he decommitted to try and get a better deal. So I concluded the scholarship offer was still there, but not a full ride.
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Exactly what I heard too from a source of mine.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
Bliss doesn't surprise me in that he's a prototypical Eaves system recruit. A big, strong, two-way kid with some skill and offensive potential, which I guess is starting to show. (In fact, IIRC, Eaves committed Bliss himself when he had no assistants.) It's not surprising given Tony's system that Tony wouldn't be as high on Bliss in any case. But Cruikshank seemed like a perfect fit, the kid can really skate, plus he can put the puck away. I gotta believe they still wanted him, just at less money. The funny thing is though, he's an in-state tuition kid. A 70% ride somewhere else seems likely to be more costly to him in real money. Recruiting is weird that way though.
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This. They expected he would still show up with him footing more of the bill. Not the case
 
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QUAlum2004 said:
This. They expected he would still show up with him footing more of the bill. Not the case
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I wouldn't say expected, probably hoped is more apt. If you cut someone's pay you know you're always at a high risk of them walking away.

UW staff just made a decision on the priority order of players. Krygier's took priority over Cruikshank.

Question is why? My guess is the staff is pretty sure Tischke is gone after this year. My next guess is that they feel the same about at least one more. Probably J.D. Greenway. Possibly Kalynuk. Maybe all three. If you write off Bunz and Paddy, plus at least Tischke and JD go, they HAD to sign the Krygier boys. That's the only way it makes sense to me.
 
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Wisconsin recruits on NHL Central Scouting List:

A - Sampo Ranta
B - Ty Emberson
B - K’Andre Miller
B - Christian Krygier
B - Cole Krygier
C - Daniel Lebedeff
 
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Just sat down and opened my twitter and the top tweet was:

"🚨Cruikshank🚨@GCruikshank walks in alone and tucks it past Davidson unassisted at 9:08 of the 1st! Vees lead 1-0.
7:17 PM - 15 Nov 2017 from Penticton, British Columbia


Going to go look for a Sampo Ranta highlight to make me feel better.
 
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Solid recruiting class for Wisconsin but my God, when is the last time we can say UW brought in 2 or more snipers?

The defense first or defense heavy classes are great...but...

Losing Grant is huge unless Rizzo is replacing him.

Let's get some speed and legit goal scorers in asap.
 
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solovsfett said:
Losing Grant is huge unless Rizzo is replacing him.
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Or Caufield....

Seeing this highly rated class makes me realize that I think maybe we need to pump the brakes on the expectation level for this team this year. Clearly last year they over-achieved, this year perhaps they are just playing to their abilities. It isn't like this year's version is loaded with studs from a being drafted standpoint like the 2010 was for instance (and the 2018 looks to be in that same stratosphere). This is only year 2 of the permanent rebuild.

I hope Freddy sticks around, I like the line of Ranta Frederic Wiessbach quite a bit.
 
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solo-- All the snipers will be signing their NLI's in just under 1 year from now. That's going to be a stellar bunch of F's coming in. Cruikshank received an offer, just not as much as he was expecting, and for whatever reason, he chose not to sign. He's a good player and I'm sorry he isn't coming in, but there are other very good players who would be happy to take the offer he had to come to Wisconsin. No doubt we'll add another good F (or two) before next year.

Frederic hasn't seemed too anxious to leave school so far, but assuming he get's going this year, he's still 90%+ to move on. There's still, I think, 9 drafted players on the roster right now plus a few that are pretty certain to be AHL+ guys. The talent is spread out some, but there's a lot of very good college players in the line up and this should be a top ten team. Their searching a little yet for their identity, but they are improving steadily. Just keep getting better and they'll be a factor late in the year.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
solo-- All the snipers will be signing their NLI's in just under 1 year from now. That's going to be a stellar bunch of F's coming in. Cruikshank received an offer, just not as much as he was expecting, and for whatever reason, he chose not to sign. He's a good player and I'm sorry he isn't coming in, but there are other very good players who would be happy to take the offer he had to come to Wisconsin. No doubt we'll add another good F (or two) before next year.

Frederic hasn't seemed too anxious to leave school so far, but assuming he get's going this year, he's still 90%+ to move on. There's still, I think, 9 drafted players on the roster right now plus a few that are pretty certain to be AHL+ guys. The talent is spread out some, but there's a lot of very good college players in the line up and this should be a top ten team. Their searching a little yet for their identity, but they are improving steadily. Just keep getting better and they'll be a factor late in the year.
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I haven't seen that improvement: they 1-3-1 in the last five, 3-4-1 in last eight after starting 4-1. 2 of the losses in the last 5 are against teams that they should beat almost always.

Tonight will be a good measuring stick.
 
Wisko McBadgerton said:
solo-- All the snipers will be signing their NLI's in just under 1 year from now. That's going to be a stellar bunch of F's coming in. Cruikshank received an offer, just not as much as he was expecting, and for whatever reason, he chose not to sign. He's a good player and I'm sorry he isn't coming in, but there are other very good players who would be happy to take the offer he had to come to Wisconsin. No doubt we'll add another good F (or two) before next year.

Frederic hasn't seemed too anxious to leave school so far, but assuming he get's going this year, he's still 90%+ to move on. There's still, I think, 9 drafted players on the roster right now plus a few that are pretty certain to be AHL+ guys. The talent is spread out some, but there's a lot of very good college players in the line up and this should be a top ten team. Their searching a little yet for their identity, but they are improving steadily. Just keep getting better and they'll be a factor late in the year.
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That's true, I probably should temper my expectations a bit until Tony's got his third full class skating, that should make a huge difference.
 
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