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Wisconsin Hockey XXXIV: A Season without Chuck

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Am I a bad fan for kind of hoping that ASU takes 3 points (as it were) and that someone (maybe even Barry, if he could be bothered) finally takes notice?

I am torn. I don't want to root against my favorite team, but there needs to be more misery for the change that is needed...
 
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I am torn. I don't want to root against my favorite team, but there needs to be more misery for the change that is needed...

I'm taking a slightly different approach. I am still rooting for my team. However, I'm convinced that things have gotten so bad that the administration will be forced to make a change. If the difference between 5 wins and 8 wins makes a difference, we're screwed anyway.
 
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I haven't rooted against them, but I certainly have a feeling of malaise and ambivalence that I have never had before in regards to the program.

I will still be attending a game when I come back up for Thanksgiving, but am not expecting too much at this point.
 
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I am torn. I don't want to root against my favorite team, but there needs to be more misery for the change that is needed...

I am hoping that a sweep would lead to a mid-season firing and the hiring of either Oz or Granato.

Waiting for the spring just puts us another year behind the recruiting curve and allows the new coach some time to evaluate the current players, establish a connection to committed recruits, and give future recruits the security that the head coach they commit to will be there when they arrive on campus.
 
I am hoping that a sweep would lead to a mid-season firing and the hiring of either Oz or Granato.

Waiting for the spring just puts us another year behind the recruiting curve and allows the new coach some time to evaluate the current players, establish a connection to committed recruits, and give future recruits the security that the head coach they commit to will be there when they arrive on campus.

I'm hoping for the same but I highly doubt Eaves is fired until or unless the Alumni start calling everyday and that includes guys who want to coach UW.
Hockey is not now nor will it ever be a priority for Alvarez. But if Chelios, Rafalski, Richter, Cujo, Pavelski, and more start calling every week, then he may consider acting on the coach situation.

Make no mistake though, perception is everything with recruiting and right now Wisconsin is not a premier school for hockey anymore. It just isn't.

And when they make a change, IF they make a change, it will take 3 years minimum to rid the program of Eaves' mistakes, and 4-5 years to regain status as a place kids want to go to play high level hockey.
 
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Off topic a bit, I see a developer will present a plan for a new arena and other buildings at The Alliant Energy Center. That will include demolishing the aging Coliseum. I'm not against it, I'll just be there when/if it comes down.
 
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Not trying to troll here this is a serious question. Do Wisco fans miss the WCHA? And do you like being in the Big10?
 
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Not trying to troll here this is a serious question. Do Wisco fans miss the WCHA? And do you like being in the Big10?

It depends on the fan. I'm aware that there are a lot of fans who will tell you everyone hates the Big Ten, despite plenty of fans who feel otherwise. I like the Big Ten conference, and we're still in the first recruiting cycle, so there's a long way to go when it comes to making strong judgements. Most of the terrible things surrounding UW men's hockey right now are independent of conference affiliation. (2013-14 was an awesome season, and attendance started plummeting before realignment.

The positives outweigh the negatives for me. I'm also not from Wisconsin/Minnesota. I respect the history of the league, but I was still in the beginning stages of learning about and following college hockey when Bemidji State and Nebraska-Omaha joined the WCHA. I didn't spend years and years watching WCHA hockey. I learned and loved the history and traditions, but it's just as easy for me to learn the new traditions in the Big Ten.

The WCHA grew to 12 teams, and scheduling got more unbalanced and bloated. The Big Ten allows for more flexibility in out-of-conference games due to a shorter schedule...that involves everyone playing everyone four times. Teams can learn to hate each other pretty quickly in that environment.

People yearned for Denver, North Dakota...and usually those were the only two WCHA opponents people mentioned. Neither team played in Madison in 2012-13 anyway, and they have annual agreements for out-of-conference games. In my time at UW, I've only seen 2 home series vs UND, and 1 home series vs Denver. Do people long for those matchups with Minnesota State? I like chanting "purple burgers," I guess. How about Bemidji State? (I might have been the only one who was particularly excited for Nebraska-Omaha matchups...I just find that program to be interesting.)

It really annoyed me when I kept seeing people complain about realignment in ways that implied that the previous alignment was the only correct way, and the new alignment is horrible. Most of those people weren't around to pay attention to the realignment that occurred when the CCHA came to be. They only want to focus on rivals who got split up (but will continue playing anyway), forgetting that other rivals that were split up got put back together. I'm fine with people disliking the change, but when their arguments are presented to me as absolute fact, despite being incredibly incomplete, it's really annoying. I've seen a ton of that. The Upper Peninsula teams got back together, the Alaska schools were paired up. Oh, and Michigan and Michigan State got reunited with their old WCHA foes, Minnesota and Wisconsin.

People get really [urinated]-off when I talk about how it's great that U of M, MSU, U-MN, and UW got reunited, undoing what the CCHA did when they blew up college hockey by poaching teams away from other conferences...exactly what they complain about regarding the Big Ten and NCHC. (And no, I don't do the "U of M" thing in those discussions, so that's not what makes them mad. :rolleyes:)

Penn State has a short D-I history, but they set themselves up for success as a first-class program. Ohio State is just kind of there, but they have a tendency to be underrated when they do well (see their injury-filled 2013-14 season). The other four teams all have strong hockey histories - let's not pretend otherwise. Their football and basketball teams don't negate that.

The WCHA tournament was better than the Big Ten tournament can ever be in the current reality of college hockey. (I won't say "ever" in absolute terms.) The reality of the geographic situations of the two leagues make that so. I do like that the Big Ten isn't keeping it in the same place every single year, though.
 
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Not trying to troll here this is a serious question. Do Wisco fans miss the WCHA? And do you like being in the Big10?

I prefer the pre-St. Cloud WCHA. I don't miss St. Cloud, Mankato or Bemidji at all. That version of the wcha was too bloated. I dislike the b6 from the standpoint that the conference schedule is all backloaded, it's a little boring playing the same 5 teams for the last 3 months of the schedule. I'd prefer the the n/c games be more even spread throughout the year. I also dislike the b6 because Penn St. has no hockey juice to me, too new. MI St. has no juice for me either. When UW was good, they'd run into MI in the ncaa's, which makes them a bit of a rival. I give UW credit for sticking w/ DU, CC, MT, Da sue and NM in the N/C schedule. I'd like to see them play UMD as well. Plus a 6 team end of season tourney is boring, there is no race for home ice and no home ice playoffs. I like best of 3 way more than single elimination. I guess I don't like the b6 much at all.
 
Not trying to troll here this is a serious question. Do Wisco fans miss the WCHA? And do you like being in the Big10?

I do. I loved watching games vs nodak (f u geno!), northern Michigan (bill pye with the save!), cc, Denver and later St. Cloud.

There's just no excitement for me when it comes to psu, msu and osu.
 
I do. I loved watching games vs nodak (f u geno!), northern Michigan (bill pye with the save!), cc, Denver and later St. Cloud.

There's just no excitement for me when it comes to psu, msu and osu.

I miss the WCHA of the late 80s and early 90s. 8-10 team conferences were great (particularly when you could schedule 40 regular season games every year).

Although I never experienced it, the pre-80 WCHA might have been the best of both worlds.
 
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Not trying to troll here this is a serious question. Do Wisco fans miss the WCHA? And do you like being in the Big10?

I miss the WCHA because it's what I grew up with and it's when I really began to love the sport. The rivalries were just so much more intense than anything that we have today. I really don't get any vibe of excitement from when the Badgers play OSU, Michigan, Michigan State or Penn State, but when UND comes back to the Kohl Center... man there is just something about that team that gets me worked up (Also doesn't hurt that my wife is a UND fan as well.)
 
I miss the WCHA of the late 80s and early 90s. 8-10 team conferences were great (particularly when you could schedule 40 regular season games every year).

Although I never experienced it, the pre-80 WCHA might have been the best of both worlds.

That's the period I grew up in and could miss it more! The rivalrys between UM, UND and UW set up for the best atmosphere ever in college hockey(maybe a little exaggerated but pretty close). I really asked that question cause I miss those game like crazy! Yeah it's still fun to play Denver and UMD but they are nothing compare to the old rivalrys and I'm going to the Wisco vs UND series at the Ralph and I'm not sure it's gonna even be close to the old games.. The rivalry has really dried up between these two and it's a shame. If only the NCHC could trade CC and UWM for the UM and UW
 
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I prefer the pre-St. Cloud WCHA. I don't miss St. Cloud, Mankato or Bemidji at all. That version of the wcha was too bloated. I dislike the b6 from the standpoint that the conference schedule is all backloaded, it's a little boring playing the same 5 teams for the last 3 months of the schedule. I'd prefer the the n/c games be more even spread throughout the year. I also dislike the b6 because Penn St. has no hockey juice to me, too new. MI St. has no juice for me either. When UW was good, they'd run into MI in the ncaa's, which makes them a bit of a rival. I give UW credit for sticking w/ DU, CC, MT, Da sue and NM in the N/C schedule. I'd like to see them play UMD as well. Plus a 6 team end of season tourney is boring, there is no race for home ice and no home ice playoffs. I like best of 3 way more than single elimination. I guess I don't like the b6 much at all.

Given the choice between Big 10 and what the WCHA evolved into at the end (especially after UNO & Bemidji came in), I'll take the Big 10 and hope we continue to schedule compelling OOC games (DU, CC, BC, BU, Notre Dame, North Dakota, Miami, UMD, UNH, Maine, etc.). The end format of the WCHA was a watered down flaming turd and a shell of it's former self. When I have season tickets (Sat night), and I get ZERO of Denver, North Dakota, or Minnesota for a home game (as was the case the year we played Minnesota at Soldiers Field), that is beyond awful to me. The Big Ten allows schedule flexibility that went away as the WCHA continued to grow and the conference schedule got bigger (with fewer of the actual teams that were compelling matchups).
 
Given the choice between Big 10 and what the WCHA evolved into at the end (especially after UNO & Bemidji came in), I'll take the Big 10 and hope we continue to schedule compelling OOC games (DU, CC, BC, BU, Notre Dame, North Dakota, Miami, UMD, UNH, Maine, etc.). The end format of the WCHA was a watered down flaming turd and a shell of it's former self. When I have season tickets (Sat night), and I get ZERO of Denver, North Dakota, or Minnesota for a home game (as was the case the year we played Minnesota at Soldiers Field), that is beyond awful to me. The Big Ten allows schedule flexibility that went away as the WCHA continued to grow and the conference schedule got bigger (with fewer of the actual teams that were compelling matchups).

It would help if UW could find a way to be a compelling Non-conference matchup for BC, BU, UND, and DU.
 
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I hate the BTHC. 6 teams; are you ****ing kidding me? If Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, etc had D-1 programs with winning histories, I would feel different.

The old WCHA we often talk about was the best college hockey conference in America on an annual basis. Every weekend, every game (especially MN and NoDak) was intense; back me up on this boys. They may argue out east, but it wouldn't be much of an argument. IMO the best WCHA was WI, MN, NoDak, MN-Duluth, Denver, CO College, Northern MI., and MI Tech. I was around when Michigan, Michigan State, and Notre Dame were in the league, but they bolted for the CCHA so they could win some games. :D. When you have time, check this out....http://wcha.com/pdf/mguide0910/Ybk-113-128.pdf

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Given the choice between Big 10 and what the WCHA evolved into at the end (especially after UNO & Bemidji came in), I'll take the Big 10 and hope we continue to schedule compelling OOC games (DU, CC, BC, BU, Notre Dame, North Dakota, Miami, UMD, UNH, Maine, etc.). The end format of the WCHA was a watered down flaming turd and a shell of it's former self. When I have season tickets (Sat night), and I get ZERO of Denver, North Dakota, or Minnesota for a home game (as was the case the year we played Minnesota at Soldiers Field), that is beyond awful to me. The Big Ten allows schedule flexibility that went away as the WCHA continued to grow and the conference schedule got bigger (with fewer of the actual teams that were compelling matchups).

You keep mentioning compelling matchups....well the Big10 conference currently boasts 4 of the worst Pairwise ranked teams this year.

What is so compelling about this:

#39 Michigan State
#44 Minnesota
#47 Wisconsin
#51 Ohio State

These ranking are actually worse than they appear as #55-60 are Ivy League teams who have not started playing yet.

The current Big10 has now become the definition of a "flaming turd"!!
 
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I hate the BTHC. 6 teams; are you ****ing kidding me? If Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, etc had D-1 programs with winning histories, I would feel different.

The old WCHA we often talk about was the best college hockey conference in America on an annual basis. Every weekend, every game (especially MN and NoDak) was intense; back me up on this boys. They may argue out east, but it wouldn't be much of an argument. IMO the best WCHA was WI, MN, NoDak, MN-Duluth, Denver, CO College, Northern MI., and MI Tech. I was around when Michigan, Michigan State, and Notre Dame were in the league, but they bolted for the CCHA so they could win some games. :D. When you have time, check this out....http://wcha.com/pdf/mguide0910/Ybk-113-128.pdf

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I absolutely can back you up on the Triumvirate of hate being the most intense series I've ever seen in the 80's and into the early 90's and given the WCHA was the absolute premier conference in the 70's, 80's, 90's and early aughts that means those series were the most intense in the country.

32 National Titles (and I'm not counting Michigan in that total since those d-bags weren't really around the WCHA very long) says it all. 4 teams with 5 or more National Titles (Wisconsin, Nodak, Minnesota, Denver) and another team with 3 (Michigan Tech). The Northern Michigan team in 91 was so deep with talent it was unbelievable. Their series with Wisconsin were fun as hell.

I know I've said it before but it bears repeating, my favorite series all-time are vs. Minnesota, North Dakota, Denver, Colorado College, Northern Michigan, Michigan Tech, Duluth and later on St. Cloud.

MadCityRich - thanks for that link!
 
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I've mentioned it here more than once before, but I recall reading in MSJ that on Friday night at the Jan 2000 Sioux/Badger series Madison, Blais and Sauer exchanged looks from their boxes just before puck-drop because they both recognized they were witnessing an atmosphere as charged up as any they had seen in a regular season college hockey game. And both games lived up to the hype. A couple of years later, I go back the Kohl Center to see the Sioux go up by 5 or so, only to see the Badgers score a couple and, with the crowd starting to take over, you just knew the Badgers would find a way to win, which they did. Then to see Robbie Earl make a diving highlight reel goal to beat the Sioux yet again in Madison, once again making the crowd go nuts. All those experiences were, to me, what is best about college hockey--even if the bad guys won every dang one of them. The Badgers seemed to have UND's number, and it sucked, but dam it was fun.
 
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