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Wisconsin Hockey XXXIV: A Season without Chuck

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**** that promotion ****. Put a good PRODUCT on the ice, they will come. This is supposed to be Division 1 big time hockey. Resorting to that kind of **** reeks of minor league goon hockey that can't attract fans. "See Charlestown Chiefs".

Also, see post #828 below.
 
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**** that promotion ****. Put a good PRODUCT on the ice, they will come. This is supposed to be Division 1 big time hockey. Resorting to that kind of **** reeks of minor league goon hockey that can't attract fans. "See Charlestown Chiefs".

Also, see post #828 below.

People need to actually be aware that there's anything to go see in order to generate the old level of interest, even with a good team. If the football team has a bad stretch (of years) and gets competitive again, they don't need to do anything. College football is extremely prominent in the public's sports consciousness. If the basketball team does the same, they don't really need to do anything, because people will get interested by March, and then into the next year.

There are a ton of sports fans around here, including hockey fans, who don't have the same idea that we do of what "Division 1 big time hockey" is. Those people might be willing to check out a few games if they're a big hockey fan aside from college hockey, and other sports fans may give it a shot...maybe. There's a huge difference between that and people actually becoming fans of the team. More butts in seats ASAP is necessary to avoid (virtually) completely severing the pre-2012 era from the last few years. That's what I'm most worried about. We've already gone through a whole cycle of students who haven't seen a sold-out student section. Without desperate measures, relying on a good product to bring the fans back in the same way may result in the difference between 6K and 9-10K (the latter being considered a "big" crowd). It won't be the difference between the current nonsense and even 13K. I've had to yell at my friends who have been getting glass seats for the last 3-4 years (and I show up hours later and stand in about the same place :) ) for not yelling EVERY chant they think of at the top of their lungs. It seems small, but while fans like them, me, or any of you know what Badger hockey could and should be (with a good team on the ice), that doesn't mean the incoming students have any real idea. They can find some videos on YouTube, but it's nothing compared to actually being there. What these people see is not a "Division 1 big time hockey" environment, even if the team on the ice is better than some teams from the past. What a Wisconsin Badgers hockey crowd is in the minds of the oldest students is wildly different than it is for freshmen and sophomores, even those who are going to games!

To the best of my knowledge, college hockey fans in the area have to actively seek out college hockey coverage. It's not embedded in their brains by default. Trying to get 13K+ in a market of this size in that kind of landscape is very difficult. This is a really good area for hockey in the US. I can't walk around campus without seeing a bajillion people wearing NHL stuff. That doesn't seem to translate into Wisconsin Badgers Hockey interest as much as it should. People can play and watch a lot of hockey, but if they don't actively follow Wisconsin Badgers hockey, it won't translate into significantly boosted attendance. It is pretty easy for a hockey fan in Madison to ignore Badger hockey.

Just putting a good product on the ice barely, and I mean barely worked in 2013-14. Yes, there were a handful of sellouts. Hype entering the season was approximately zero among the fans who matter in the difference between small-time and big-time college hockey. Yes, we knew what to expect. Heck, even the poll voters got really close, after the ups and downs evened out. However, that was the smallest student section at the time. Among sports fans on campus who weren't going to hockey games, that team resonated, well...not at all. It resonated a tiny bit with people who personally knew fans like me who could explain the ins and outs of college hockey (and as mentioned earlier, that's unusual in this area). People at that second home game against Minnesota experienced the mind-bending, insane, awesome atmosphere surrounding a very exciting, intense game. People who weren't there seemed to just think "huh...that's neat, I guess." I remember a very strange physical feeling coming back to my apartment, where a bunch of friends (who are sports fans, by the way - even casual hockey fans) didn't watch on TV. The differences in how people thought of that game was bizarre.

Even then, men's hockey was like a more popular, more expensive red card sport. That's certainly the case now. That kind of thing sees attendance and interest cap out at a level that results in mediocre TV coverage and a still not-that-full Kohl Center (though much better than this year so far). And because the student body mostly turns over every four years, shifts in perception - and the results of such shifts - are accelerated. Throw in the fact that there's not a safety net of national coverage enjoyed by college football and basketball, and it seems obvious to me that they need to do some extra promotions and whatnot in order to help save and bring back Wisconsin hockey as we know it.

They need Badger Bob Johnson types of promotion in order to build up interest (just with bigger numbers than in 1966).
 
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DC has a stellar grasp of the situation.

'13-'14 team won a KC record 17 home games and went in as a 1 seed, yet drew 100k less than the '08-09 Badgers who went 12-8-2 at home and missed the tournament. Winning is big and will fix some of it, but there's more going on. Badger Bob promoted his *** off every day and in every way.
 
**** that promotion ****. Put a good PRODUCT on the ice, they will come. This is supposed to be Division 1 big time hockey. Resorting to that kind of **** reeks of minor league goon hockey that can't attract fans. "See Charlestown Chiefs".

Also, see post #828 below.
Exactly.
 
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College Hockey's top twenty teams in attendance combined through last year to lose over 10% of fans since 2002.

Contrast that to the NHL's almost 6% growth over the same period, or the AHL's 10%+ growth since '10, and it sure seems there a bit more going on. During the last five years of AHL growth, the Milwaukee Admirals are off about 10% as well, which is of course, a 20% decline from the league average.

The ECHL was up 20% in 4 years before expansion shot league total attendance through the roof from 2.9m in '10 to 4.6m last year.

You can argue that if the Badgers won 28 games every year and were in 8/10 FF's, that attendance would still be near sellout levels and maybe that is correct. I don't know how practical it is in today's college game, but regardless, there is plenty of evidence suggesting that college hockey (and sadly, perhaps hockey in Wisconsin) isn't keeping up with the Jones' in terms of fan interest. In light of declining attendance in general, to argue that marketing isn't necessary seems to me to be incorrect.
 
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College Hockey's top twenty teams in attendance combined through last year to lose over 10% of fans since 2002.

Contrast that to the NHL's almost 6% growth over the same period, or the AHL's 10%+ growth since '10, and it sure seems there a bit more going on. During the last five years of AHL growth, the Milwaukee Admirals are off about 10% as well, which is of course, a 20% decline from the league average.

The ECHL was up 20% in 4 years before expansion shot league total attendance through the roof from 2.9m in '10 to 4.6m last year.

You can argue that if the Badgers won 28 games every year and were in 8/10 FF's, that attendance would still be near sellout levels and maybe that is correct. I don't know how practical it is in today's college game, but regardless, there is plenty of evidence suggesting that college hockey (and sadly, perhaps hockey in Wisconsin) isn't keeping up with the Jones' in terms of fan interest. In light of declining attendance in general, to argue that marketing isn't necessary seems to me to be incorrect.

It was going down on the heels of a ncaa runner up season, IE Hockey in WI IS dying. Most the steadfast freak fans (and their direct descendants) from the mid 70's - 00's are gone. All that's left is what you see in the stands now. I just don't see it getting any better. We'll see how the B6 attendance is.
 
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Hockey in WI IS dying.

I don't know if it's dying, but WI participation has had zero growth in the last 10-15 years, remaining relatively flat at around 17500. Heck, population growth has been around 6.5% over that time. Which may or may not correlate, but it is generally true that if you're not growing, you're effectively contracting. Nationwide total participation grew by 16% in 10 years, despite the economic downturn.
 
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It was going down on the heels of a ncaa runner up season, IE Hockey in WI IS dying. Most the steadfast freak fans (and their direct descendants) from the mid 70's - 00's are gone. All that's left is what you see in the stands now. I just don't see it getting any better. We'll see how the B6 attendance is.

Tough too say that it is dying, when Waunakee and Sun Prairie (2 ice surfaces) just built shiny new rinks not too long ago. There is a lot of hockey being played and watched in the state of Wisconsin. Just because, a team or two drops off doesn't warrant a blanket statement that a sport is dying.
 
Winning is required to filling the building, but it alone isn't enough to rebuild the fanbase if people don't know or don't care that they are winning. Getting fans (back) in the building is just a required step.

Well put.
 
It was going down on the heels of a ncaa runner up season, IE Hockey in WI IS dying. Most the steadfast freak fans (and their direct descendants) from the mid 70's - 00's are gone. All that's left is what you see in the stands now. I just don't see it getting any better. We'll see how the B6 attendance is.

Badger hockey is dying. (It doesn't have to!) It's pretty easy to find a hockey presense around here. (Okay, I guess I'm really talking about the UW campus and the overall Madison area.)
 
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In the same vein of this conversation, here in Madison my college hockey television options tonight are Vermont-Maine, UNO-Miami (OH) and UMD-North Dakota (women's). What's not on is the Wisconsin-Denver game even on tape delay. That's a joke.
 
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In the same vein of this conversation, here in Madison my college hockey television options tonight are Vermont-Maine, UNO-Miami (OH) and UMD-North Dakota (women's). What's not on is the Wisconsin-Denver game even on tape delay. That's a joke.
That is very sad.
 
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In the same vein of this conversation, here in Madison my college hockey television options tonight are Vermont-Maine, UNO-Miami (OH) and UMD-North Dakota (women's). What's not on is the Wisconsin-Denver game even on tape delay. That's a joke.

Where to watch the Badgers:http://www.uwbadgers.com/news/2015/11/18/MHOCKEY_1118153001.aspx?path=mhockey

I'm not in Madison so I have no idea if 47.3 Grit TV is part of any package. It is a digital alternate of WMSN and available over the air for free though. Tonight's game is also available on BTN2go for BTN subscribers.
 
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Umm...tonight's game is on TV in Madison. 47-3 is the channel you want. WMSN-3. The local FOX affiliate's digital subchannel number 3, at the cheap price of free!

Edit: I'll add that this is fine (though not ideal) for the fans, but barely counts in terms of overall coverage, because you have to be a diehard fan in order to seek out the channel and put it on.
 
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I am sure the weather has some to do with it, and the 7:30 start time, but another empty home game
 
I am sure the weather has some to do with it, and the 7:30 start time, but another empty home game

On the other hand, from my vantage point, this looks/feels like "Wisconsin hockey with disturbingly (and historically) low attendance." The first two weekends felt very, very weird and...different...because they were worse than that.
 
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Game is on local 24 direct tv in Milwaukee where I am.
 
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Umm...tonight's game is on TV in Madison. 47-3 is the channel you want. WMSN-3. The local FOX affiliate's digital subchannel number 3, at the cheap price of free!

Edit: I'll add that this is fine (though not ideal) for the fans, but barely counts in terms of overall coverage, because you have to be a diehard fan in order to seek out the channel and put it on.

Ok, I concede that it is available though I can't figure out how to get it with my cable package. I used the search function for hockey and I came up with what I listed on a previous post.

Fortunately, tomorrow's game is on the Wisconsin Channel which I have to believe is much more accessible.
 
Ok, I concede that it is available though I can't figure out how to get it with my cable package. I used the search function for hockey and I came up with what I listed on a previous post.

Fortunately, tomorrow's game is on the Wisconsin Channel which I have to believe is much more accessible.

The ASN game I watched last year was hard to find. I think it was a different channel, but same deal. We had to run a big coax cable across the room to act as our antenna. The funny thing? We had to use an alternative TV, because the big Westinghouse TV tries to be smart, so it wanted us to enter some code to watch free over the air TV. :P
 
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