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Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVI: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Tolerate The BTHC

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So I had the misfortune of traveling out to Boston this weekend and attending both games.

I'll try to keep it as concise as possible ...

Friday was a beatdown of epic proportions. If I hadn't traveled to get there and had to scrap to get the tickets, I'd have walked out mid first period. It was that bad. I was truly embarrassed to be there in my jersey and it was awkward and uncomfortable. There was just never a time they had a chance in that game. Not one. (Giving credit where it's due, the BC fans couldn't have been nicer. From start to finish people were friendly and talkative. Really great.)

That being said, and I know it sounds ridiculous with that score, but both Peterson and Miller played well - Miller was especially impressive. The score would have been even worse without some seriously spectacular play by both of them. The defense was truly non-existent on Friday. As mentioned above, some of that had to do with UW having no idea how to handle quick transitions, but a lot of it had to do with just plain lazy play and poor puck handling that led to turnovers and odd-man rushes that left the goalies out to dry. They just literally had no chance. Miller made a couple of saves on one-on-ones that were mind-boggling. A BC fan near me was giving me a hard time for standing and applauding Miller in the third, but when I pointed out he was a walk-on and that the score would be about 14-2 without him, the guy shut up.

We knew they Badgers weren't going to stage a comeback after the first period, but had hoped that Eaves and this veteran leadership we've been hearing about would light a fire at period break, but BC came out and scored two goals in the opening minutes of the second period and it was like "so much for that." The biggest disappointment on Friday was less about the product on the ice (though that was **** poor) but the lack of fight and cohesiveness. They looked like they'd never played together before, which is bad for any team, but was especially galling from this team where we keep hearing about the large senior class, etc ...

One thing we both thought separately was that in past years, other Badger teams might have turned chippy and goonish in that situation. We were happy to see this year's team hold it together and not start cheap-shotting out of frustration. It's a small thing, but was a positive to take away from a game that had few.

Chuck wasn't wrong above when he said that Saturday's game sounded different. Though the scores look similar, the product on the ice Saturday night was vastly improved. There wasn't the apparent "laziness" of poor passes, lack of hustle to pucks and crappy puck handling. They looked much sharper. They had shots on goal! I'm not entirely sure how to reconcile that with the final score, though. You can justify Friday's beat down with the play. Saturday's bad beat is almost worse because they team looked legit and together, but still couldn't stop BU from hanging 7.

Oddly enough, at least two of BU's goals on Saturday can be put on Peterson. He was five-holed both times and the puck dribbled between his knees into the net. Clearly that's not the quality we're used to from Landon, so I'm not going to write him off based on one game, but it was a bit surprising after the way he held up to the onslaught the night before. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a bit of a hangover.

Whereas Friday was a start to finish problem, Saturday was more a death but a hundred paper cuts. The small cracks were exposed, but the team overall looked better. It's a paradox, but I walked out of Saturday feeling both better and worse. It was great to see the team show fight after Friday and not be totally beat down. The first period and a half were pretty great. They were getting shots. They were having good-looking PP on the road. They had the puck in the zone. They were organized and efficient. But they gave up some stupid penalties. They gave up odd-man rushes. Peterson had some mental lapses. They gave up seven goals. They didn't play a full 60.

I'm trying to reserve full judgement until I see more games. I don't want to make excuses, but I also wonder about fatigue - mental and physical - by the end of Saturday's game. It's just the second weekend. Clearly we were over-rated. Clearly there are things to fix as the season moves forward. But it's October. I'm choosing to look at Saturday and see that they didn't lie down and play as horribly the second day as the first as a step in the correct direction.

Anyway, those were just my observations being in the building - back to work for now.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVI: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Tolerate The BTHC

Agree. This is a huge wake up call. Time for the team to put in the extra effort and come back down to earth. I wish I could see the 7 goals from Saturday to see the quality of them. Petersen is a much better goalie than these numbers this weekend.

Go to hockeyeastonline.com and you can see highlights from the game. I can't find BC highlights from Friday however. BC used to put them on their own website and also send in the reel the Hockeyeastonline but doesn't look like they are doing that this year.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVI: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Tolerate The BTHC

Say what you want about laying an egg, one bad weekend, early in the season, etc., but a bigger concern is how the Badgers can start handling these smaller faster teams. I go back to the the 2010 NC game and they got beat up and down the ice, then you look at Umass Lowell last spring and then this weekend.

Looks to me from the outside that we aren't prepared for these faster teams and that falls back to the coaches on both coaching and recruiting aspects.

This year is make or break and they can't afford to get a whooping like happened this past weekend. If we can't achieve with this group, what is going to happen next year with recruits that aren't even signed yet!
 
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It's good to hear the saturday game was a lot better. Still need to work the kinks out from the slow defense. I think Petey will bounce back from a bad Saturday game. Lastly, the PP is doing much better (23.5%)! Just need to keep the opposing teams off the board on the PK. Hopefully this bye week helps all of those things.
 
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Go to hockeyeastonline.com and you can see highlights from the game. I can't find BC highlights from Friday however. BC used to put them on their own website and also send in the reel the Hockeyeastonline but doesn't look like they are doing that this year.

Thanks, the highlights of the BU goals are on the BU website. There were some pretty weak goals let in on Saturday night.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVI: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Tolerate The BTHC

There were some pretty weak goals let in on Saturday night.


Funny that Peterson was the better looking goalie in practice.

I've got a hunch that a message was being sent to Rumps as it seems like he's in the doghouse every once in a while.


To my eyes, he's always been the better of the two.
 
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Funny that Peterson was the better looking goalie in practice.

I've got a hunch that a message was being sent to Rumps as it seems like he's in the doghouse every once in a while.


To my eyes, he's always been the better of the two.

Wasn't Rumpel injured and didn't make the trip?
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVI: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Tolerate The BTHC

Wasn't Rumpel injured and didn't make the trip?


I'm more referring to Peterson playing the first game and Eaves' apparent less than impressed attitude towards Rumps' Saturday night effort against NMU.

Peterson may not have got any help, but giving up 13 goals in two games is an awful lot.

If he's our best, we're in trouble.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVI: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Tolerate The BTHC

Not that I believe he's our best...
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVI: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Tolerate The BTHC

I'm more referring to Peterson playing the first game and Eaves' apparent less than impressed attitude towards Rumps' Saturday night effort against NMU.

Peterson may not have got any help, but giving up 13 goals in two games is an awful lot.

If he's our best, we're in trouble.


I think Eaves was going to play both against NMU regardless. Did Eaves say something in an interview after the NMU Saturday game? From what I remember Rumpel made more saves than Peterson did, had more shots than Friday, and a higher save percentage(20-21, 95% vs 18-20, 90%). I think Eaves just wants to keep Rumpel from becoming complacent so he has them splitting to open the year. When it comes down to important games though, one has to think #33 will be in net.

A lot of the Friday blame should be placed on the defense. It sounded like there were numerous 2-on-1's and plays where the BC player was alone against Peterson. Saturday is where a lot of the blame should go on Peterson. Badgers outshot BU 43-26 and lost..... Fail.

Rumpel is definitely the #1.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVI: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Tolerate The BTHC

Funny that Peterson was the better looking goalie in practice.

I've got a hunch that a message was being sent to Rumps as it seems like he's in the doghouse every once in a while.


To my eyes, he's always been the better of the two.

Without considering this weekend, Rumps is more of a steal-a-game goaile than Peterson. About the past weekend, Peterson needs to watch the film once and move on. I still think he is and can be a good goalie.

You have to wonder if Peterson started pressing a bit more in net knowing that Rumpel was not on the bench.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVI: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Tolerate The BTHC

In terms of looking ahead, I was all kinds of impressed with the short view we got of Miller. I mean, he had to have no thoughts of getting ice time this year, then suddenly he's on the Boston trip and in the net in the first game and he took advantage of that short notice opportunity to shine, IMO.

It's obviously a small sample size, but it was nice to see a guy step up in a tough spot. He clearly knows how to impress with limited exposure - that's how a walk-on makes the team in the first place. But when you have goalies A1 and A2 who are the same year in school, it makes you feel a little more secure in the future of the spot to know the guy coming behind them is no slouch, either.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVI: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Tolerate The BTHC

My take away from the first two weekends are this:

1. The Badgers are grossly overrated.

2. Badger fans were viewing The wins last weekend against a poor NMU team with rose colored glasses. The NMU team that came to Madison this year was without last year's leading scorer Thurber (graduation) leading goal scorer Seckel (injury) top scoring defenseman McCaully (graduation) and top goalie Coreau (graduation) and still almost stole a game from what is supposed to be a powerhouse!

3. Once again we heard the transition to small rink excuse.....don't they practice on a small rink at the LaBahn????

4. How many weeks until we are once again subjected to the boring neutral zone trap crap they instituted last season to keep up with teams that were more skilled than them.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVI: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Tolerate The BTHC

My take away from the first two weekends are this:

1. The Badgers are grossly overrated.

2. Badger fans were viewing The wins last weekend against a poor NMU team with rose colored glasses. The NMU team that came to Madison this year was without last year's leading scorer Thurber (graduation) leading goal scorer Seckel (injury) top scoring defenseman McCaully (graduation) and top goalie Coreau (graduation) and still almost stole a game from what is supposed to be a powerhouse!

3. Once again we heard the transition to small rink excuse.....don't they practice on a small rink at the LaBahn????

4. How many weeks until we are once again subjected to the boring neutral zone trap crap they instituted last season to keep up with teams that were more skilled than them.

I take it based on your post, you aren't a Badger fan. Hence your are trolling to get a reaction in a Wisconsin thread. I won't distinguish your trolling with any kind of logical response (that you won't understand), but 3 of your 4 points are completely false, and one only partially true.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVI: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Tolerate The BTHC

I take it based on your post, you aren't a Badger fan. Hence your are trolling to get a reaction in a Wisconsin thread. I won't distinguish your trolling with any kind of logical response (that you won't understand), but 3 of your 4 points are completely false, and one only partially true.

How wrong you are.....

1. Very large Badger fan and season ticket holder.

2. So were the Badger not over-rated?

3. Did Wisco not barely beat a NMU team that lost or is missing most of its key cogs from last year? While Wisconsin returned most of theirs, hence the inflated rating.

4. Do they not practice at the LeBahn???

5. What did Mike Eaves do last year when his troops were getting their butts kicked?? Boring trap hockey, that what. A couple more whippings and you will see the trap back at the Kohl Center and the stands even emptier!

Not much to refute here, just the facts!
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVI: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Tolerate The BTHC

Sounds like Eaves has used the smaller rink excuse before/a lot? I guess my question would be, how would playing a faster team like BC in a smaller rink be a detriment to Wisconsin? You'd think it would be easier to deal with the opponent's speed in a smaller area of ice.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVI: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Tolerate The BTHC

How wrong you are.....

1. Very large Badger fan and season ticket holder.

2. So were the Badger not over-rated?

3. Did Wisco not barely beat a NMU team that lost or is missing most of its key cogs from last year? While Wisconsin returned most of theirs, hence the inflated rating.

4. Do they not practice at the LeBahn???

5. What did Mike Eaves do last year when his troops were getting their butts kicked?? Boring trap hockey, that what. A couple more whippings and you will see the trap back at the Kohl Center and the stands even emptier!

Not much to refute here, just the facts!

Not many facts in any of your statments!

1. If you are a large Badger fan, how come you only post disparaging remarks in Wisconsin threads. I checked your other posts. Nice for a "fan" to rip his team any chance he gets.... I am no fan of Eaves, but I still want the team to succeed. Seems to me that you are are a bigger NMU fan than Badger fan.

2 Nope, you said grossly over-rated originally. Big difference than just overrated. This is still a top 10 team.

3. No one I know viewed the 2 wins last week vs NMU with rose colored glasses. They played well on Friday for 2 periods and then slogged through Saturday in a defensive game against a weaker opponent allowing them to stay in the game. They didn't play great. I haven’t seen anyone here say anything other than that.

4. Who used the small rink excuse for this weekend? I didn't hear that from anyone here. If it was a quote from Eaves this weekend, I haven’t heard it. But, the last time I checked 200x90 at LaBahn isn’t a NHL size 200x85 rink. It is however an intermediate size and 7’ narrower than the Kohl Center.

5. Trap Blah, blah, blah. I don’t mind defensive minded hockey if you can win and put out full effort. I haven’t seen that full effort much at the Kohl center lately.
 
Sounds like Eaves has used the smaller rink excuse before/a lot? I guess my question would be, how would playing a faster team like BC in a smaller rink be a detriment to Wisconsin? You'd think it would be easier to deal with the opponent's speed in a smaller area of ice.

Smaller rink = less reaction time. When you are on your heals (and thinking) about how to react, a quick team is going to make you look absolutely 1.) stupid, 2.) talentless, and 3.) unprepared.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVI: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Tolerate The BTHC

Say what you want about laying an egg, one bad weekend, early in the season, etc., but a bigger concern is how the Badgers can start handling these smaller faster teams. I go back to the the 2010 NC game and they got beat up and down the ice, then you look at Umass Lowell last spring and then this weekend.

Looks to me from the outside that we aren't prepared for these faster teams and that falls back to the coaches on both coaching and recruiting aspects.

This year is make or break and they can't afford to get a whooping like happened this past weekend. If we can't achieve with this group, what is going to happen next year with recruits that aren't even signed yet!

handling the smaller faster teams is a huge issue for Eaves right now. yet if you follow the recruiting he's still looking for big NHL-style guys, witness that 6'6" guy they just got a verbal from. those types of players generally do look like pylons when you're up against a team like BC who has 12 forwards that can skate like the panzers, hoogsteens, rau's, cygan's of the world.

your last sentence is why I've been more pessimistic w/Eaves than optimistic over the past 2-3 seasons. They get it done this year or there's another 2-year cycle of excuses and more excuses and that's tiring as hell. frankly, I was a bit optimistic about this team to start considering the forwards but I did and still do have nagging doubts about their d-core.

I didn't see significant improvement the past 2 years from about 3 guys back there and that makes it tough for the team to improve overall.
 
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