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WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. XXIV - Craziest Season Of All Time

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It seemed to be a more "Made for hockey fans" type of game than a "Making of hockey fans type of game" from my TV viewing of the game.


So if you didn't enjoy that game, you're not a hockey fan or as another said, you don't recognize offensive chances when you see them? You could say that but I could just as easily say that many have gotten to the point of settling for anything as long as it results in a victory. Guarantee you that Gopher and Sioux fans would be complaining about last night's style of play and my guess is that many of them are actual hockey fans. Sux that I'm agreeing with them more and more on this subject.

The place was flat last night and it wasn't just because the students weren't there. It's because nothing was happening and as time went on it started to feel like one of those games where nothing ever would happen. We've seen this all too often over the past several years. One game like this here and there would be fine, but even when we play marginal teams, we struggle to generate offense.

I'll give LaBate credit for scoring, but it wasn't exactly a skillful effort. He carried the puck unopposed through the neutral zone, took it wide and shot. It was a soft goal. Guarantee you the goalie wants that one back.

Everything that many were complaining about earlier in the season (when we were losing) was on display last night throughout that game. Lack of individual offensive talent, system play, the trap, inability to finish, 4 lines of indistinguishable grinders. Yet because we won, it was a really exciting game.

Interesting.


I have a feeling that if we lose that game 1-0, those complaints might have crossed more than a few minds.


My concerns with this and really the only reason that I'm going on and on about it is the dwindling attendance. This hockey is not must see. Even for me who lives hockey every day of my life.

In talking to other season ticket holders around me (when there are actually any around me), their complaints are starting to center more and more around how boring the style is and that they don't feel any buzz or reason to make coming to the games a priority due to the lack of atmosphere and how unappealing what they're seeing below them is. It's how I feel too.

At least 90% of the seats around me (in the 200s) are empty every game. These used to be full nearly every game just a few years ago. This isn't just the economy. Fans are walking away.

This needs to turn around. It can be said that winning would cure all of these woes, but we are winning and it was exactly the same anemic sized and comatose crowd that we've seen all this year and much of last. I get that nothing's gonna change overnight, but with Miami in town and a 10 game streak, I foolishly hoped for more. You know, top 10 team, 10 game streak - the casual fan will come out. The ones who gave up their tickets over the past couple of seasons will come out for this. Nope.

The crowd that is there wants to get into it. There were noticeable surges in the crowd last night when a good defensive play was made or a tough save or a couple of the offensive chances that we got. These were not driven by the student section, they were driven by what the crowd was seeing. You know, the product on the ice. Unfortunately, they are so few and far between (especially the offense) that the place just falls back asleep for 10 minutes (or more) at a time between them.


Maybe it looked great on TV. I see that I'm the only one (on here) complaining.

It's getting to the point though where I don't feel a need to pay for and go to see this in person. For me, the point of going to a game live is to be able to experience it with a crowd and feel the energy in the building. I've been in half full buildings were the energy has been great, so the staleness cannot be blamed only on the size of the crowd. The women's game against Harvard that we won in 2OT all those years ago comes to mind.

If the atmosphere continues to be stale, why would I pay $100 a game to go when I can sit in my den with a fire and watch the game on the flatscreen? Just like I'm doing right now watching my Blackhawks pee on the Kings' parade, but I digress.

I didn't just come up with this over the past 24 hours. My discontent has been growing over the years and it's getting worse as I don't see anything changing for the better long term based upon what I'm seeing on the ice.

Some will say, good riddance. Don't go. Give up your tickets. You're not a real fan.

To those I'd say, go to the KC and tell me if you really think you can lose even one more person like me. There aren't people lining up to take my place.

So many, including the family of 4 that sits to my left that had the tickets since the KC opened, already have left. My coworker who gave up his seats last year after over 30 consecutive years - btw, he's a salesman doing very well financially. He didn't stop going because of the economy.

To those I'd also say, p-i-s-s off. I've paid my dues. I can be a fan from my couch and my laptop from now on like most of the rest of you. Nothing invested other than time.


Alright. Manifesto/Super Rant done. Promise.


Hoping for 2 goals tonight!

I'll try to be more open minded tonight. Oh yeah, and a better fan of hockey.
 
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Gurt,

Did you happen to wake up on the wrong side of the bed....the side of the bed that contained a live badger? Because understandably, that would put a damper on anyone's day. We are here for you. Let it all out.
 
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Gurt,

Did you happen to wake up on the wrong side of the bed....the side of the bed that contained a live badger? Because understandably, that would put a damper on anyone's day. We are here for you. Let it all out.


Just didn't want anyone to think that I was entertained last night. :p

Oh yeah and now that you mention it, had to get up at 6:00am to coach a 7:45am bantam game.


Thankfully, I can see tonight's on TV so I can see what all the hype is about.

Game is on Direct TV channel 323 according to my guide. Something called FSNPL. Haven't seen anyone mention it, so... you're welcome.
 
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So if you didn't enjoy that game, you're not a hockey fan or as another said, you don't recognize offensive chances when you see them?

I didn't say that, what I said was that only a student of the game, someone who was already a hockey fan, who appreciates that their is action beyond scoring could really have enjoyed that game. I say that because it was an otherwise very boring game. I thing that if you even polled the fans on this thread, with the exception of the 1-0 3-OT regional championship game or the 2006 NCAA championship game ZERO of the games that made us hockey fans would be a low scoring defensive game. That's what I meant by not being a type of game that makes hockey fans.

You could say that but I could just as easily say that many have gotten to the point of settling for anything as long as it results in a victory. Guarantee you that Gopher and Sioux fans would be complaining about last night's style of play and my guess is that many of them are actual hockey fans. Sux that I'm agreeing with them more and more on this subject.

Fact of the matter, a win is a win (always has been and always will be) regardless of style points. Fans like style points, style points are entertaining and that is the #1 reason that fans go to the games (of course the #1 way to entertain fans: win consistently. All the style points in the world won't help things if your team seems to loses every game 3 to 6)

The place was flat last night and it wasn't just because the students weren't there. It's because nothing was happening and as time went on it started to feel like one of those games where nothing ever would happen. We've seen this all too often over the past several years. One game like this here and there would be fine, but even when we play marginal teams, we struggle to generate offense.

That's the result of playing a defense-first style of play and that is what Eaves has put on the Ice EVERY season. Things are worse this year because this appears to be the most offensively inefficient group of players that Eaves has assembled (which is saying something), I suspect that between the suspension and injuries to start the year that they have just never managed to gel as an effective unit.


Everything that many were complaining about earlier in the season (when we were losing) was on display last night throughout that game. Lack of individual offensive talent, system play, the trap, inability to finish, 4 lines of indistinguishable grinders. Yet because we won, it was a really exciting game.

I have a feeling that if we lose that game 1-0, those complaints might have crossed more than a few minds.

I think that this is a 100% true statement

My concerns with this and really the only reason that I'm going on and on about it is the dwindling attendance. This hockey is not must see. Even for me who lives hockey every day of my life.

In talking to other season ticket holders around me (when there are actually any around me), their complaints are starting to center more and more around how boring the style is and that they don't feel any buzz or reason to make coming to the games a priority due to the lack of atmosphere and how unappealing what they're seeing below them is. It's how I feel too.

At least 90% of the seats around me (in the 200s) are empty every game. These used to be full nearly every game just a few years ago. This isn't just the economy. Fans are walking away.

This needs to turn around. It can be said that winning would cure all of these woes, but we are winning and it was exactly the same anemic sized and comatose crowd that we've seen all this year and much of last. I get that nothing's gonna change overnight, but with Miami in town and a 10 game streak, I foolishly hoped for more. You know, top 10 team, 10 game streak - the casual fan will come out. The ones who gave up their tickets over the past couple of seasons will come out for this. Nope.

The crowd that is there wants to get into it. There were noticeable surges in the crowd last night when a good defensive play was made or a tough save or a couple of the offensive chances that we got. These were not driven by the student section, they were driven by what the crowd was seeing. You know, the product on the ice. Unfortunately, they are so few and far between (especially the offense) that the place just falls back asleep for 10 minutes (or more) at a time between them.

The issue is that this is still a ~0.500 team and that isn't going to generate the type of buzz that will get the fans back.


Maybe it looked great on TV.

I wouldn't say great, the ineptitude of the offense was on clear display.

I see that I'm the only one (on here) complaining.

It's getting to the point though where I don't feel a need to pay for and go to see this in person. For me, the point of going to a game live is to be able to experience it with a crowd and feel the energy in the building. I've been in half full buildings were the energy has been great, so the staleness cannot be blamed only on the size of the crowd. The women's game against Harvard that we won in 2OT all those years ago comes to mind.

If the atmosphere continues to be stale, why would I pay $100 a game to go when I can sit in my den with a fire and watch the game on the flatscreen? Just like I'm doing right now watching my Blackhawks pee on the King's parade, but I digress.

I didn't just come up with this over the past 24 hours. My discontent has been growing over the years and it's getting worse as I don't see anything changing for the better long term based upon what I'm seeing on the ice.

Some will say, good riddance. Don't go. Give up your tickets. You're not a real fan.

To those I'd say, go to the KC and tell me if you really think you can lose even one more person like me. There aren't people lining up to take my place.

So many, including the family of 4 that sits to my left that had the tickets since the KC opened, already have left. My coworker who gave up his seats last year after over 30 consecutive years - btw, he's a salesman doing very well financially. He didn't stop going because of the economy.

To those I'd also say, p-i-s-s off. I've paid my dues. I can be a fan from my couch and my laptop from now on like most of the rest of you. Nothing invested other than time.


Alright. Manifesto/Super Rant done. Promise.


Hoping for 2 goals tonight!

I'll try to be more open minded tonight. Oh yeah, and a better fan of hockey.

This is the type of rant that EVERY SINGLE hockey fan needs to send to the Athletic Department. The issue is that if you stop going to Badger games, something else will fill that time, some other hobby will have that money spent on it, and you will be that much less likely to return as a season ticket holder in the future even if you will still go to the occasional game. I don't thing that giving up your tickets after these last three season makes you a bad hockey fan, if the athletic department doesn't care about the hockey program why should any of us fans?

The #1 thing that contributes to the energy level in the building is the on-ice play and performance. The fact that by the time the actual attendance hits about 7,500 (or 50% capacity) the emptiness of the KC absolutely destroys any energy that the fans actually generate (below 7k and above 13k no change in the energy, but dramatic shifts in crowd energy (and experence) between 8k and 12k of actual bodies in the seats.
 
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Almington - I appreciate the measured response to my rant.

I replied to your post originally, but most (all?) of what I typed was directed at the universe.

Just disgusted by the empty KC. It's depressing as heck when you remember what it used to be like even when there were only (only!) 11,500 at games, let alone 15k+.


I REALLY don't want to give up my seats though as they're mine. My home. Keep hoping for a change or some hope for change.

If I do give them up, it won't be because of the economy.

Like you said, there's a real risk that the old season ticket holders still won't return even if things turn around. There isn't a new generation to take their spot either as those have grown up on Badger football and basketball.
 
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Sorry, 323 on my Charter digital box.
 
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man, I'm out of the loop, I've only been reading box scores the last 2-3 weeks as I've been booked up...

I was excited by the recent win streak but that excitement was also tempered by the fact that I feel UW is at best about a .500 team in the end

their offensive woes (or lack of talent at forward) won't be solved by Grant Besse next season. they'd need about 4-5 of him to turn that corner.

but that's belaboring the point...with regard to the attendance woes (I see 12k attended tonight?) I mostly agree with Gurt.

We've had season tickets for 28 years and while they're my favorite team I've never felt less compelled to go watch the team than I have this season (well actually the last 2-3 years to be honest). I don't blame people at all (many of whom are hardcore UW hockey fans) for walking from this product. I don't want them too but I can't blame em. This is a very tough style of hockey to watch when they're winning, losing with it feels like the morning after fat tuesday and 10 hurricanes and several shots. ugly.

the antedote to that is obvious but it's not going to happen, so we have two choices: be patient and hope Eaves has 3-4 world class recruiting classes soon, or wait until Sean Frazier can convince Barry that there is a hockey team and they need a new coach (again more patience). from the looks of the average attendance of the last 3-5 years it appears generally that UW Hockey fans have run out of patience for this altogether.

side note - it would sure be great if Zengerle and Kerdiles were putting up some points, they've been conspicuously absent lately
 
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FWIW, Wisconsin is tied for 19th in the PWR. It's almost not even fathomable how far they've come.

Said they had to go 16-6-4 to give themselves a chance at the tournament. They've gone 8-0-3 since then. 8-6-1 gets them close, although they might have to even be better. Crazy.


Technically I think you are correct, but sweeping AA, Bemidji, and Penn State will be of no help. I haven't done the math but I'm pretty sure we'll need a couple of wins against ND, MN and Nebraska to have any chance. 6-6 and beating St Cloud the last weekend isn't going to be enough. Ultimately if we can't sweep next week and at least split at ND in two weeks, it's not likely to happen.
 
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Everything that many were complaining about earlier in the season (when we were losing) was on display last night throughout that game. Lack of individual offensive talent, system play, the trap, inability to finish, 4 lines of indistinguishable grinders. Yet because we won, it was a really exciting game.


I'm with you completely. There is simply a lack of talent on the ice for Wisconsin. It's great to DVR the games and wait to watch. Fast forward through 55 minutes of dreck and watch the 5 minutes of action. If someone could come up with a gadget like this for the Kohl Center, maybe attendance would pick up.:)
 
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I thing that if you even polled the fans on this thread, with the exception of the 1-0 3-OT regional championship game or the 2006 NCAA championship game ZERO of the games that made us hockey fans would be a low scoring defensive game. That's what I meant by not being a type of game that makes hockey fans.

I rank that regional 3OT game as the best game I've ever been at, but to the point, there were 100 total SOG in that game, the Badgers 60th being Skille's winner.
 
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I rank that regional 3OT game as the best game I've ever been at, but to the point, there were 100 total SOG in that game, the Badgers 60th being Skille's winner.

Same here. I also rank that as the game that most shortened my life because of stress.
 
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I know no one wants to mess up what little chemistry there is on this team, and I know Miami is a great defensive team, but maybe they need to really shake the line-up up to get some more goals scored. Stating the obvious, the PP just sucks. To quote good old Howie, "pass, pass, shoot" should be the pp montra. If you don't shoot on the pp, you are not going to score. Just shoot the puck along the ice and get a screen, tip or rebound. Even though we all agree this team is low on talent, this talent is not 10% pp bad.
 
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It was actually nice to see people up in the 3rd deck last night and the 2nd deck full (with the exception of the student area). Badgers had some great even strength chances throughout the night. After the first 10 min of Miami basically dominating (or should I say Austin Czarnik), it seemed to be a pretty even game.

As Tim said, I still can't figure out WHY when the PP is struggling this bad, that the emphasis isn't just on getting as many shots off as possible. Especially when Mersch is parked in front of the net as he was multiple times last night.

I also agree with a lot of the comments Gurt stated. I used to have Friday night tickets and drove in from Milwaukee. I eventually thought to myself why am I dealing with weather, traffic and getting out of work, to come to 10 games a season if this is the style I'm going to have to always watch. I think winning (1 out of 3 or 4 years) convinces you to tolerate it more but the other seasons are hard to take in and get motivated to keep buying tickets. Especially since it has been several years since Eaves has had a "Great" recruiting class on its way, which can keep your optimism for next year when the present year can be in the tank.
 
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I know no one wants to mess up what little chemistry there is on this team, and I know Miami is a great defensive team, but maybe they need to really shake the line-up up to get some more goals scored. Stating the obvious, the PP just sucks. To quote good old Howie, "pass, pass, shoot" should be the pp montra. If you don't shoot on the pp, you are not going to score. Just shoot the puck along the ice and get a screen, tip or rebound. Even though we all agree this team is low on talent, this talent is not 10% pp bad.

Yeap, the PP is just brutal at the moment. The way the PP is, makes the 11 game unbeaten streak that much more crazy. The D and goalies have been on lock down. Zengerle was a ghost this weekend, I have never really seen that before. I am hope he will have a bounce back weekend and gain some confidence heading into NoDak.
 
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It was actually nice to see people up in the 3rd deck last night and the 2nd deck full (with the exception of the student area). Badgers had some great even strength chances throughout the night. After the first 10 min of Miami basically dominating (or should I say Austin Czarnik), it seemed to be a pretty even game.

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Czarnik sure could move, Miami overall had good team speed.
 
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I know no one wants to mess up what little chemistry there is on this team, and I know Miami is a great defensive team, but maybe they need to really shake the line-up up to get some more goals scored. Stating the obvious, the PP just sucks. To quote good old Howie, "pass, pass, shoot" should be the pp montra. If you don't shoot on the pp, you are not going to score. Just shoot the puck along the ice and get a screen, tip or rebound. Even though we all agree this team is low on talent, this talent is not 10% pp bad.

Using your keen hockey mind, can you tell the rest of us WHY the PP isn't scoring? Lack of shots is not an acceptable answer.

If you don't have a lane to shoot in you are not likely to score goals either (and are likely to give up a SH opportunity the other way as the puck deflects off someone).

This team is likely 2 good offensive forwards in the line-up short of being having a much improved offensive production, and between injuries and suspensions has had one of those forwards sitting every game so far this season.

In spite of this past run, I still believe that it is time for Eaves to go. As it seems that during his tenure as HC UW has chronically been a very shallow team (injuries have derailed multiple seasons) and most years seem to be one or two players short of making that step from sightly above average to a good team actually in contention. Given Eaves track record over the past decade I don't see that changing any time soon and see no reason to continue to hope that this is going to change all on its own.
 
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This team is likely 2 good offensive forwards in the line-up short of being having a much improved offensive production, and between injuries and suspensions has had one of those forwards sitting every game so far this season.

Meaning Kerdiles & Zullinick of course.

Neither have looked any better than anyone else on the ice. Neither has shown much flash. I get that they've been out, but even projecting their stats, they'd both be having fairly pedestrian freshman seasons.

Thus the danger of relying on freshman to be impact players. It's a bonus when it happens, but it's foolish to base a team's hopes on it - not saying that you did.

We should have enough upperclassmen in place that their absence is nothing more than an inconvenience, not a kill shot. Again, were we really basing all our hopes for the season on two freshmen? I know one person who was.

It's a shame really as the D and the goalies are really solid. Hate to see them wasted for a season coz we've got 4 checking lines.
 
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Meaning Kerdiles & Zullinick of course.

Neither have looked any better than anyone else on the ice. Neither has shown much flash. I get that they've been out, but even projecting their stats, they'd both be having fairly pedestrian freshman seasons.

Thus the danger of relying on freshman to be impact players. It's a bonus when it happens, but it's foolish to base a team's hopes on it - not saying that you did.

We should have enough upperclassmen in place that their absence is nothing more than an inconvenience, not a kill shot. Again, were we really basing all our hopes for the season on two freshmen? I know one person who was.

It's a shame really as the D and the goalies are really solid. Hate to see them wasted for a season coz we've got 4 checking lines.

Zengerle missed some games with an injury, Lee also. This team lacks depth (and this isn't new for Eaves lead teams) so just one injury (let alone multiple injuries) is going to cause major disruptions in the net offensive ability of the resulting lineup.

I don't think that it is fair to project how they would have done with a whole season with just a small fraction of a Freshmen season to look at. Kerdiles has looked like the best player on the team some games and been invisible in others, that's the nature of the freshmen they are generally incredibly volatile in their performance. Plus, missing the first few weeks resulted in Kerdiles being behind all of the other frosh in acclimating to the speed of the college game, in my experience freshmen become much more consistent in the 2nd half of the season.

I think that if UW starts out the first three or 4 games with a full roster, player performance would be better overall. I think that being shorthanded from the get go has made everyone feel as if they have to make up for what is missing and not just fulfill their own specific rolls on the team. Even in that case, they are still one good offensive forward short of where they should be if everyone was completely healthy and 2 short of where they need to be from a depth perspective. That falls on Eaves and no one else.

Personally, I was expecting more production from the returning players, that's what has been so disappointing. When John Ramage is 2nd (in a 3-way tie) for goals scored by your team after 22 games you have serious issues offensively. with respect to Kerdiles & Zullinick I was Hoping for about about 8 goals and 15 assists out of each this season given that they should have been getting top 6 ice time and significant PP opportunities that is about what Kerdiles would be on pace for over a 36 game season and Zullinick would have about 20 assists over 36 games given his performance before he was injured. Kerdiles and Zullinick not performing isn't the problem, Barnes and LaBate in particular and to a lesser degree Lee and Zengerle not producing offensively coupled with injuries (and lack of depth) has been the problem.
 
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I think that if UW starts out the first three or 4 games with a full roster, player performance would be better overall. I think that being shorthanded from the get go has made everyone feel as if they have to make up for what is missing and not just fulfill their own specific rolls on the team. Even in that case, they are still one good offensive forward short of where they should be if everyone was completely healthy and 2 short of where they need to be from a depth perspective. That falls on Eaves and no one else.


Wasn't Kerdiles the only one missing at that point? Zengerle's injury came later. One missing player (especially a freshman who's never been relied upon by his team) cannot derail a season or even a season's start unless it's a goalie of Els' caliber - that's the only way I can see it as an excuse.

From the limited amount that I've seen of Kerdiles, he wasn't gonna change the first 4 games anyway.

I think it goes to your other points of the returning players not doing their part. Or more importantly, the returning players just being what they are - not good enough.
 
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In regards to the steak and what it meant...

With the streak, I think that the team has elevated itself to mediocre, which I also think is its potential. As someone else said, we're probably a .500 team.

Evidently, I'm supposed to be excited about this after 2 other mediocre seasons.


The streak was nice, certainly better than the alternative, but we made a lot of hay against some traditionally weak competition. I know we beat Denver and swept MSU at their place (nothing for a program to hang its hat on, but we had never done it), but we also could only manage 2 ties against Tech here.

I would like to believe that at some point we are striving to play in series like what we saw this weekend between UND and Minny. Series where something beyond getting back to mediocre is at stake. Series between two elite teams trying to win the conference, not one elite team and one scrappy team trying to slow the tempo to the point where they can steal a tie.

I don't see this happening this year or next or next.


The streak was nice, but is the new normal for Wisconsin Hockey that we are satisfied with mediocre because it's better than being horrible?


It certainly isn't for me and I will continue to voice my displeasure with it and challenge those who think that this is good enough for a program like the Badgers.
 
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