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Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XXI - For every dark night, there's a brighter day

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Does anyone think a run of poor results could have any impact on Kerdiles decision making if he gets a partial suspension?
I don't think so, but ANY suspension will result in him heading to B.C. on the next plane out.
 
I can't say whose idea that was, but there was a home football game this weekend and NMU only has one band, so they couldn't travel. Not having seen any of the clips, I hope they were better than nothing for an NMU 'home' game.

It was the same two 5 second clips the entire time. It was pretty bad. And not very flattering for your cheerleaders.
 
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I can't say whose idea that was, but there was a home football game this weekend and NMU only has one band, so they couldn't travel. Not having seen any of the clips, I hope they were better than nothing for an NMU 'home' game.

It was kind of like watching Groundhog Day and being Rick-Rolled at the same time.
The best part was when the PA announcer thanked the NMU band for their video participation.
 
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That was a depressing week for Badger hockey, I'm kinda happy they already have the weekend off coming up.
 
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swept by the predicted 9th place ccha finisher in Green Bay, terrible. Ramage giveaway leads to the ENG for NMU.

I guess I don't know what to say in terms of looking for bright spots...the season is still young maybe?
NMU was picked 8th in the Media poll and tied for 8th in the coaches poll.
 
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You'd be surprised.

I agree, he has been committed for 2.5 years. That is a long time to be waiting to play for one team and then get suspended a month or two and bolt to the WHL. Though the WHL is a good league, it isn't like OHL where most teams are close. If he bolts he will not get the same facilities and perks... and he better enjoy LONG bus rides.

If the yearlong suspension holds or longer than 2 months.....do you really blame him if he leave?
 
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If the yearlong suspension holds or longer than 2 months.....do you really blame him if he leave?

I would hope no one would blame him in that scenario. That said, let's let this thing play out. It might not be as bad as yall think.
 
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Certainly cannot blame Kerdiles if the suspension is upheld and he leaves, the NCAA dicked UW, not this kid IMO.

Now, if the NCAA comes back and reduces it and he still bolts, my feelings might change. As Chuck said, wait and see. Hopefully common sense prevails, suspend him 8 games which proves their selfish point, and then everyone moves on. I honestly don't think it would be anything less than 8 games, and he is playing on November 16th.
 
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I don't think so, but ANY suspension will result in him heading to B.C. on the next plane out.

If he is suspended no matter how long leaves, he has trained his whole life to play in the NHL and is well on his way there, if the ncaa starts dicking with him his gone, and I wouldn't blame him for bolting
 
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Yeah, I was kinda shocked at the crappy turnout for Badger fans. The tickets were cheap, it's only 2 hours from Madison, and you could actually enjoy a nice malt beverage!

The 2 second video snippets of the NMU band were hilarious.

The Green Bay/Appleton area is hot n cold for hockey tickets, if it were after the Packer season you would have saw more tickets sold...another thing since there was no home football game don't ya think the uw could spring for a couple bus loads of students, maybe add a little atmosphere to the place...since nmu bands sucks big time and couldn't make the game why not bring in the uw band.......next time we agree to play nmu in green bay part of the contract has be that they don't torture the crowd with those usless nmu band clips...and they were bad
 
The Green Bay/Appleton area is hot n cold for hockey tickets, if it were after the Packer season you would have saw more tickets sold...another thing since there was no home football game don't ya think
the uw could spring for a couple bus loads of students, maybe add a little atmosphere to the place...since nmu bands sucks big time and couldn't make the game why not bring in the uw band.......next time we agree to play nmu in green bay part of the contract has be that they don't torture the crowd with those usless nmu band clips...and they were bad

Pretty ugly when after the first weekend of the season the only topics on your thread is:

1: NMU Band
2: Lack of attendance
3: Is our prized recuit heading back to Junior hockey

You should be asking why you got your ***** swept by NMU!
 
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It's early. Not even walking towards the bridge yet.


I know where the pitchfork and torches are in my garage though. Looking at you Eaves...
 
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Pretty ugly when after the first weekend of the season the only topics on your thread is:

1: NMU Band
2: Lack of attendance
3: Is our prized recuit heading back to Junior hockey

You should be asking why you got your ***** swept by NMU!

trust me there's an undercurrent of discontent with this past weekend...but it's too early to jump all over the coaching staff (though last weekend resembled most weekend's last season)...I do recall the 06 Championship team started 1-3 or something like that, maybe 2-4? anyway, I remember 3-4 of us bemoaning that at the time and then about 20 games later we were pretty **** happy...so all in all, time to be patient at least for the first 4-5 weeks...
 
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trust me there's an undercurrent of discontent with this past weekend...but it's too early to jump all over the coaching staff (though last weekend resembled most weekend's last season)...I do recall the 06 Championship team started 1-3 or something like that, maybe 2-4? anyway, I remember 3-4 of us bemoaning that at the time and then about 20 games later we were pretty **** happy...so all in all, time to be patient at least for the first 4-5 weeks...

Working off the assumption that the talent level of UMN, UND, DU, and UW are (and have been similar over the course over Eaves tenure as coach, first year excepted) and that the talent level at UW has been roughly equal from team to team, it really causes me to wonder why the UW teams have been so much more inconsistent and generally under-performing than any of the other 3 programs.

I have three potential explanations (I suspect that they ALL contribute in some way and are in many ways inter-related)
1.) Uneven recruiting classes: I know that this has been harped on repeatedly but none of the other three schools undergo the same recruiting cycle imbalance as UW, this leads to massive turnover in players every 4 years, a level of player turn over that is often only experienced at other schools during Head Coaching changes. This leads to a massive swings in the collective experience of the team AND discontinuity in maintaining a constant team culture.
2.) Coaching staff turnover: Looking at the other three schools, they have all undergone some Assistant Coach turnover, all top programs do, but nothing to the extent that UW has undergone during Eaves tenure when 1st assistants last about 3 years and 2nd assistants last about 2 years (not to even mention the Coach Howard departure debacle). This has major impact in recruiting and player development as each coach has a unique recruiting eye and focuses on different aspects of players. Recruiting is more art than science and the knowledge of what it takes to excel at the college level is the result of first hand experience as much as anything. NHL evaluation and draft status is NOT a predictor of the impact that the player will make in college (it's BARELY a predictor of what the player will do in the NHL (with zero impact outside of the first two rounds)
3.) Team unity and cohesion: It's commonly stated that the most talented team often isn't the champion because they are unable to go from a group of individuals with a similar goals to a united entity with a single unified objective. If UW has suffered from ANYTHING since the 2005-06 team it is this problem which has been EXACERBATED by the uneven recruiting classes and the assistant coaching turnover (which have seemed to happen at the same time). It is all well and good for players to have NHL aspirations, but I wonder if those dreams are distracting from the players performance while at UW. Strong leaders can help the other team members put their individual aspirations aside for the good of the team, and while the Badgers have had a number of fine captains in the past 6 or 7 seasons, none of them were great leaders like the group that lead UW to the 2006 title.

This is just my analysis of why UW is in it's current situation, I have no idea is these are actually the problem and ZERO idea how to fix them. They can only be fixed from within the program itself and no quick fix exists for these as they are structural problems at the foundation of the program.
 
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If UW has suffered from ANYTHING since the 2005-06 team it is this problem which has been EXACERBATED by the uneven recruiting classes and the assistant coaching turnover (which have seemed to happen at the same time). It is all well and good for players to have NHL aspirations, but I wonder if those dreams are distracting from the players performance while at UW. Strong leaders can help the other team members put their individual aspirations aside for the good of the team, and while the Badgers have had a number of fine captains in the past 6 or 7 seasons, none of them were great leaders like the group that lead UW to the 2006 title.


Yep. I still view Burish as one of our all time great leaders. That guy was almost an assistant coach/player.

Then you had the other seniors Mac & Gilbert playing top line minutes. You had Licari buying full into his role on the team and Degenhardt (sp?) coming out of limbo to fill a similar role and finish his career with relevance.

There was a junior class full of grit and attitude if a little short on talent. An all-american, shoulda been a Hobey winner, goaltender and a few dynamic underclassmen.

And of course, you had Hollywood!


All of this was brought together by Mr. Burish and his classmates though and while Eaves may not have facilitated the arrangement, he was smart enough to step back and let it happen.


Haven't seen a shadow of this since. The most recent title game team was nothing like it.
 
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Yep. I still view Burish as one of our all time great leaders. That guy was almost an assistant coach/player.

Then you had the other seniors Mac & Gilbert playing top line minutes. You had Licari buying full into his role on the team and Degenhardt (sp?) coming out of limbo to fill a similar role and finish his career with relevance.

There was a junior class full of grit and attitude if a little short on talent. An all-american, shoulda been a Hobey winner, goaltender and a few dynamic underclassmen.

And of course, you had Hollywood!


All of this was brought together by Mr. Burish and his classmates though and while Eaves may not have facilitated the arrangement, he was smart enough to step back and let it happen.


Haven't seen a shadow of this since. The most recent title game team was nothing like it.
The only shame about the '05-'06 team was that they couldn't get much more done in '04-'05. And that they didn't win any conference hardware.

Other than that, that team was about as good as you could ever ask for. Watching them from the student section was one of the highlights of my life in college.
 
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