Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XXI - For every dark night, there's a brighter day

[solovsfett]

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So, let me get this straight. Cam Newton's dad can shop his kid around to colleges for hundreds of thousands of dollars, but Nic Kerdiles can't eat dinner?

football makes more money than hockey...for the ncaa to be consistent across the board it would take an act of god...well wait...they'd probably defy that too

 

[markwojo]

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This can not possibly end well. The NCAA is not going to go from a 1 year suspension down to anything even remotely paletable to Kerdelies or the Ducks who urge him to go major junior rather than rot. The NCAA will not come out and say...opps we were wrong with the inital 1 year ruling and he'll get a weekend or two off instead.

 

[cross cheque]

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This can not possibly end well. The NCAA is not going to go from a 1 year suspension down to anything even remotely paletable to Kerdelies or the Ducks who urge him to go major junior rather than rot. The NCAA will not come out and say...opps we were wrong with the inital 1 year ruling and he'll get a weekend or two off instead.

It's a military tactic called "fire and forget" closely followed by having someone who wasn't there write the report and redact any information that could be sensitive or unacceptable to reasonable people.

 

[Gandalf the Red]

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This can not possibly end well. The NCAA is not going to go from a 1 year suspension down to anything even remotely paletable to Kerdelies or the Ducks who urge him to go major junior rather than rot. The NCAA will not come out and say...opps we were wrong with the inital 1 year ruling and he'll get a weekend or two off instead.

Agreed let alone do something in 3 days time.

What were they waiting for, the NCAA could have done this in August and given everyone involved time to appeal, fact find, etc.

I'm bitter, because in my gut I know Kerdiles is gone and won't ever be a Badger because the NCAA decides to enforce their rules in this situation, and waited to the last (expletive deleted) minute to do it!

We are all suppose to be pumped the season is starting, not discussing NCAA BS.

 

[solovsfett]

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After reading all of the info currently available...jesus this is depressing...

#1 thusfar there is nothing approaching a 1-year suspension in terms of the infractions we're aware of. there must be something more, the advisors pushed him to the ducks or he was paid something, who knows?
#2 what is it with the internet that allows people to think they can just post **** and no-one but their friends or family will see it? unreal

unfortunately given the NCAA's stance we're going to be losing a TON more players to MJ, only now the impetus will be "let's just avoid the chicken**** ncaa altogether there's 0 reason to listen to them when you can be suspended for 1 year for the appearance of impropriety...how about you start your pro career now and post whatever **** pictures you want and hawk goods if you want to as well?"

 

[solovsfett]

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Agreed let alone do something in 3 days time.

What were they waiting for, the NCAA could have done this in August and given everyone involved time to appeal, fact find, etc.

I'm bitter, because in my gut I know Kerdiles is gone and won't ever be a Badger because the NCAA decides to enforce their rules in this situation, and waited to the last (expletive deleted) minute to do it!

We are all suppose to be pumped the season is starting, not discussing NCAA BS.

totally agree...I mean this bit here bothers me tremendously "...The NCAA had been looking into the matter, rooted in social media, for months and made school officials aware of its decision Friday. That's why Kerdiles, an 18-year-old from Irvine, Calif., was held out of an exhibition game Saturday night..."

why wouldn't they contact the kid and Eaves straightaway to resolve the matter in an efficient and expedited manner? why would they spring this on them the day before the first exhibition game?

 

[state of hockey]

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Crap. Hopefully there is more than a couple pictures, or this gets overturned.

 

[WisconsinWildcard]

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Well ****. This ruined my day.

 

[vizoroo]

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Truly an unfortunate situation. Nic Kerdiles is getting the shaft from the NCAA. Pulver is the real villain for risking the future of his client.

The NCAA may call him an "Advisor", but we all know that you are dealing with an Agent who plans to make money representing the athlete. The role is just ripe for corruption by the Agent. (Is corruption too strong of a word?)
Being based in Canada is no excuse for Pulver. As I recall both Tyler Bozak and Drew Shore had Canadian agents who followed the rules.

The dinner picture with Agents and OHL (defined as pro by the NCAA) players is probably a misdemeanor, but what appears to be a blatant plug for Bio-Steel published by Pulver moved the investigation into "felony" status. From autographs to dinner to product promotion--not a good trend.

Situation resolved by Thursday--Not A Chance. (Remember it took 3 or 4 years for a ruling on Reggie Bush and there was a family move from the hood to the burbs, big house and SUVs as evidence.)

From an outsider's point of view, Kerdiles at best was misrepresented or perhaps even duped by Pulver. I doubt if Nic, the Ducks, and his NEW Advisor/Agent could live with a year's suspension.

 

[Hammy]

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From an outsider's point of view, Kerdiles at best was misrepresented or perhaps even duped by Pulver. I doubt if Nic, the Ducks, and his NEW Advisor/Agent could live with a year's suspension.

The agent may be to blame for it but I don't buy the conspiracy stuff that he was duped. Why intentionally do something that creates the image that you have hurt your client? It's not like Kerdiles is going to fill the agent's pockets with a 100 million deal any time soon. That agent has to consider how his reputation is going to be damaged by this. It wouldn't make sense to intentionally do it to one player like that when it could cost him many more in the future.

I would be curious to know how it came to the NCAA's attention. If you want to consider conspiracy theories.... I wonder if the tip came anonymously from the WHL team (Kelowna) that owns his rights since they obviously would benefit if he was ruled ineligible. Given all the wars for top players between the NCAA and the CHL, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that a CHL team could see it and "game the NCAA system" in its favor.

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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The agent may be to blame for it but I don't buy the conspiracy stuff that he was duped. Why intentionally do something that creates the image that you have hurt your client? It's not like Kerdiles is going to fill the agent's pockets with a 100 million deal any time soon. That agent has to consider how his reputation is going to be damaged by this. It wouldn't make sense to intentionally do it to one player like that when it could cost him many more in the future.

I would be curious to know how it came to the NCAA's attention. If you want to consider conspiracy theories.... I wonder if the tip came anonymously from the WHL team (Kelowna) that owns his rights since they obviously would benefit if he was ruled ineligible. Given all the wars for top players between the NCAA and the CHL, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that a CHL team could see it and "game the NCAA system" in its favor.

He certainly wasn't 'duped' as like you said, there's no way Pulver is going to risk hurting a clients eligibility on purpose. It's just simply ignorance on the account of multiple parties.

As for how this got to the NCAA, it wouldn't surprise me if it was simply self reported by Wisconsin compliance. They know every players twitter account, and likely read through to make sure everything is above board.

What we know is that there are a couple pictures out there that tipped off the NCAA. Neither of the pictures that we've been told about, or have seen, are damaging enough to warrant a year-long suspension. I have zero information that there is anything else that could be more damaging here, but multiple people who have NCAA compliance history have noted that the evidence that we have right now does not warrant even close to the suspension handed out.

 

[Timothy A]

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Ian Pulver is no greenhorn...he's a major lawyer for the NHLPA and should be well versed in NCAA rules, particularly with the growing NCAA traffic to the NHL.
Seems like the supplement photo, the dinner out photo and the online autograph give-aways might be what attracted NCAA attention, but I too, put the blame on Pulver for not acting in his client's best interest.
He's supposed to know how to advise an NCAA athlete. Instead, it looks like he was the crux of the problem.

I blame ther agent mostly at this point, but Nick should have had his radar up to watch out for stuff like this. You have to realize even though someone is "looking out for your best interests", you are the only one you can truly trust (and maybe your immediate family) to watch out for your best interests.

So what was his projected length of stay @ UW, 2-3 years? I hold out slim, slim hope it gets reduced to 6 months and he decides to stick it out because he wants to lay the foundation of a great degree and he sees value in being schooled by a coach who is consistantly turning out NHL ready players after they leave. The Thursday dealine is the death knell of any hope though.

 

[solovsfett]

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http://host.madison.com/sports/coll...cle_47d58274-1174-11e2-9a62-0019bb2963f4.html

not much new information here but if Sean Frazier is willing to go on record to say this suspension is "unprecedented" that's pretty telling to me, and the NCAA is going to look extremely petty here.

while the outcome will hurt UW significantly in the short-term (yes, I'm a pessimist, I don't see how Kerdiles stays at UW considering a thursday deadline), I'm more worried about the impact on the recruiting wars between NCAA and MJ long-term

 

[dggoddard]

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http://host.madison.com/sports/coll...cle_47d58274-1174-11e2-9a62-0019bb2963f4.html

not much new information here but if Sean Frazier is willing to go on record to say this suspension is "unprecedented" that's pretty telling to me, and the NCAA is going to look extremely petty here.

The NCAA would rather look "petty" than be accused of "racism" by imposing sanctions on predominantly minority student athletes in most recent high profile cases. This was an opportunity for them to even up the scorecard and they took maximum advantage of it.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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If the Duluth women's team can keep an NCAA title after having a player play half that season who played professionally in Europe for several games, Nic should get a slap on the wrist at best. W/ the NCAA the rules are never black and white nor administered the same way w/ regularity.

No kidding. This sucks.

 

[solovsfett]

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The NCAA would rather look "petty" than be accused of "racism" by imposing sanctions on predominantly minority student athletes in most recent high profile cases. This was an opportunity for them to even up the scorecard and they took maximum advantage of it.

interesting point, I really haven't followed much of the scandals in other sports (not in years anyway) but will say this: for **c*sake if the ncaa believes battery (I mean how many ncaa fb guys get away with this annually?, not to mention some hockey guys over the years) is less severe than holding a mug that makes it appear like you're endorsing a product (and don't these kids technically ALL endorse products? like say, the University, Reebok, Nike, etc?) they're out of their minds. I know that's beating a dead horse but if these pictures comprise the entirety of the crime, this kid got singled out for punishment and the ncaa really needs to answer WHY this particular kid, and why now? he can't be the only one to have posed for pictures with his agent, mug and/or no mug, etc

 

[Timothy A]

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If the Duluth women's team can keep an NCAA title after having a player play half that season who played professionally in Europe for several games, Nic should get a slap on the wrist at best.

That's crap for sure. I recall WI goalie recruit Mike Brodeur played 1 period of major jr hockey and his eligibility was done. Holding a mug is 1/4th as serious as what Brodeur did, which in the grand scope wasn't all that horrible?

 

[icebadger]

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If the Duluth women's team can keep an NCAA title after having a player play half that season who played professionally in Europe for several games, Nic should get a slap on the wrist at best. W/ the NCAA the rules are never black and white nor administered the same way w/ regularity.

That's crap for sure. I recall WI goalie recruit Mike Brodeur played 1 period of major jr hockey and his eligibility was done. Holding a mug is 1/4th as serious as what Brodeur did, which in the grand scope wasn't all that horrible?

So the moral of this story is, first win hockey National Championship, then report eligibility violation?

 

[ballgame]

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NCAA is eating itself alive. These rules are outdated

 

[Almington]

That's crap for sure. I recall WI goalie recruit Mike Brodeur played 1 period of major jr hockey and his eligibility was done. Holding a mug is 1/4th as serious as what Brodeur did, which in the grand scope wasn't all that horrible?

Actually, IIRC, Brodeur played on period in a MJ tryout game and was given the season+ 1 game and like most other players wasn't willing to sit for a full year so he just decided to play MJ.

It's clear that the NCAA does not get that they do not hold a monopoly on post high school hockey like they have in every other sport. Hockey is the only sport where a player can leave in the middle of a season and join a team that is a viable path to the pros.

Until the NCAA recognizes that, they are always going to be at a significant disadvantage compared to MJ when it comes to players with significant professional aspirations. This problem is only going to get worse as more talent develops in non-traditional markets where players don't grow up with a strong attachment to playing coligate hockey.