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Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow

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solovsfett said:
soooooooooooooo... let's review some history shall we?
this is the best clip of the infamous brawl of the college hockey world I've seen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jXsmGTQz-I

Nodak you and the rats to the west better beware in 2011-12, Badgers are gonna **** you up for breakfast!
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Thanks for posting, I hadn't found that version on youtube.

Fusk the sue, I'm glad UM won the other day, bush league beotchs. :mad: Once goons, always goons.

Howie: "and North Dakota has done it again." "You tell me why North Dakota has every single on of these Paul. They did it in Minnesota, they did it in Denver, and now they've done it in Madison".

I really miss PB and Howie.....:(
 
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Timothy A said:
Thanks for posting, I hadn't found that version on youtube.

Fusk the sue, I'm glad UM won the other day, bush league beotchs. :mad: Once goons, always goons.

Howie: "and North Dakota has done it again." "You tell me why North Dakota has every single on of these Paul. They did it in Minnesota, they did it in Denver, and now they've done it in Madison".

I really miss PB and Howie.....:(
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no problem.

I've been blaming hakstol for the goon play in the last 8 years (see turris, simonelli, and several others including jesse martin), but maybe I've been wrong. maybe it's that goon Cary Eades that condones all of this. what an effen ******cougar.

Our younger fans need to revisit this and the Turris hit to get revved up for the goon squad from grand forks when they roll into town next.

Eades...what a joke that guy is. Driver should have punted him through the glass
 
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solovsfett said:
Eades...what a joke that guy is. Driver should have punted him through the glass
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Eades has always reminded me of those guys who put on those "mustache, eyebow, and glasses" things! :)
 
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Can someone please explan why Cam Atkinson who was a part of the Hobey Hat Trick not even an All American. Does the usually happen.
 
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MadCityRich said:
Eades has always reminded me of those guys who put on those "mustache, eyebow, and glasses" things! :)
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awesome! maybe the student section should all wear those for Eades next time they come to madison, that would be hilarious
 
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Congrats to Ryan McDonagh on his 1st NHL goal, the GWG in a must win game, and getting the 1st star of the game.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow

solovsfett said:
soooooooooooooo... let's review some history shall we?
this is the best clip of the infamous brawl of the college hockey world I've seen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jXsmGTQz-I

Nodak you and the rats to the west better beware in 2011-12, Badgers are gonna **** you up for breakfast!
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Awesome. I wish there was footage of the NoDak player who went past the band during warm-ups and hit the trombones extended over the glass with his stick.
 
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Badgers1 said:
http://host.madison.com/sports/college/hockey/article_12aa5d08-655f-11e0-98b2-001cc4c002e0.html

Alot more insight on why Jordy Murray is a flight risk for the Swiss league.
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Very informative article. It sounds like if the Swiss change the rules, he'll have to leave UW to retain the certainty of playing there; which he wants to do because he'll for sure land on a team and make NHL entry level money, vs playing his sr yr, and then have to sign as a free agent and hope to stick somewhere and make less money, possibly never getting to NHL entry level $ if he stays in NA. He's a goner.

So is a "consumer science" major the "I'm here for the sports" major?
 
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While I don't harbor the level of disdain for Baggot that many here do, I do on occasion feel he's off base and here is a prime example:

http://host.madison.com/sports/colu...cle_b3441a6c-13bf-5c91-bc2f-1d14bc187142.html

The basic point of this is that he'd prefer North Dakota's consistency to Wisconsin's past ten years that include two title game appearances and several years of missing the tourney altogether.

I couldn't disagree more and will take the 06 title and team every time over being in the tourney every year but failing.


BTW, Hey Andy! We all know you lurk here. I don't believe that any actual Badger fan will agree with you.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
While I don't harbor the level of disdain for Baggot that many here do, I do on occasion feel he's off base and here is a prime example:

http://host.madison.com/sports/colu...cle_b3441a6c-13bf-5c91-bc2f-1d14bc187142.html

The basic point of this is that he'd prefer North Dakota's consistency to Wisconsin's past ten years that include two title game appearances and several years of missing the tourney altogether.

I couldn't disagree more and will take the 06 title and team every time over being in the tourney every year but failing.


BTW, Hey Andy! We all know you lurk here. I don't believe that any actual Badger fan will agree with you.
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I had the same discussion on twitter with fans and beat writers from a few teams and got varied responses. I think the point that Baggot is trying to make is that consistently putting yourself in a position to win a title every single year will mean that you will eventually win 1, or 2, or multiple.

In a single elimination tournament there is a lot of luck involved in winning a title.

So I actually somewhat agree with Baggot's idea here.
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
I had the same discussion on twitter with fans and beat writers from a few teams and got varied responses. I think the point that Baggot is trying to make is that consistently putting yourself in a position to win a title every single year will mean that you will eventually win 1, or 2, or multiple.

In a single elimination tournament there is a lot of luck involved in winning a title.

So I actually somewhat agree with Baggot's idea here.
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Of course we'd all like to be in the NCAAs every year and many of us, myself included, have stated that Wisconsin SHOULD be at that level.

But we can't look at this as if NoDak has this consistency and WILL win a title at some point. Logic says that if you put yourself in that position enough times, you will eventually win.

It's also possible, if unlikely, that NoDak will never win again. Like you said, in a single elimination tourney, weird things can happen. Their fans are certainly getting more frustrated by the year/failure.

Programs like us and NoDak generally aren't happy with just coming close.

Since we can only look at past performance, I'll still take Wisconsin's past ten years over NoDaks and if we could project another 10 years into the future, I'd take another 10 of the same over another 10 of their same.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
While I don't harbor the level of disdain for Baggot that many here do, I do on occasion feel he's off base and here is a prime example:

http://host.madison.com/sports/colu...cle_b3441a6c-13bf-5c91-bc2f-1d14bc187142.html

The basic point of this is that he'd prefer North Dakota's consistency to Wisconsin's past ten years that include two title game appearances and several years of missing the tourney altogether.

I couldn't disagree more and will take the 06 title and team every time over being in the tourney every year but failing.


BTW, Hey Andy! We all know you lurk here. I don't believe that any actual Badger fan will agree with you.
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It all comes down to the "value" of a NC. Having watched the Badger lose the NC game in Detroit, I must say that as a fan I'd almost rather not make the tourney then have to suffer through a loss like that.

NCAA tournament and Frozen Fours appearances are nice, but they are a footnote compared to winning the NC. If my option is 2 Frozen 4s in 10 years and one NC, or 5 frozen fours and 0 NC, I will take the NC each and EVERY time.

UW's bigger problem has not been the NCAAs, but how they have performed in the WCHA regular season. They should not be on the road in the WCHA playoffs more then 1 time over 10 years.

Eaves gets the Badgers a NC every ~10 years and a F4 every ~5 years and I can live with down years; particularly if those down years are caused by early departures and injuries (something that is, more or less, out of Eaves direct control).

Baggot has a point that UND will eventually break through and get a title wich will negate this whole argument. But, I think that after this year, even UND fans would agree that an actual NC banner in the rafters is worth 2 (or more) seasons as the best team (on paper).
 
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Agree with you that say that one NC is worth more than the alternative. For those who have seen the NC in person, it is a moment that can last far more than 10 years. Once you have done it no one gets to take it away. Ask Sioux fans how they feel right now.
 
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Baggot must be bored. I don't like UW missing the playoffs but I DO like UW really outperforming expectations after losing 11 guys and 2 coaches and I do like Eaves 1 and 1 - Hakstol 0fer. Especially when Eaves took over a program with an empty cabinet, and Hakstol took over a program that was loaded for bear.

I'll take UW's history just fine. 6-3 in National Title games? yes. thank you. one championship (at least) in 4 consecutive decades? yes, thank you.
 
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Consistancy vs titles & inconsistancy.....Consistancy allows you to feel good/great about your team 7 months out of the year (Sept - March), but the loss of the last game stings for the other 5 months, and even into the next season (we all know that feeling). Titles allow you to feel good/great about your team from for an entire year plus how maybe the entire next year when you might not be that good (we all know that feeling too). I vote for titles & inconsistancy. Getting kicked in the nuts in the ncaa's with a roster with about a half dozen nhl type players on it hurts. The sue go through this every year. Two losses in the finals is enough for me. That 1993 loss still sucks, I'd say worse than the 2009 loss. There's NO consoaltion is at least making it there.
 
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I think a little more consistency from the Badgers would be nice, but I'm certainly not disatisfied with Eaves. When I think back about the 08/09 Badgers, how that talented team choked and didn't make the NCAA tourney I'm not sure, though the 07/08 team probably should have been sitting home. I agree about the WCHA, the Badgers need to be in the top half, no excuses there, but for the NCAA tourney, an extra trip would have been nice the last 5 years, but all things considered, Eaves has continued the glory.

I think BC fans have the most to cheer for that is a better model the last decade. Frozen Fours and championships, sure a few tough title game defeats, but they've had a great run.

I think Eaves has set the team up for a lot of success in 11/12 & 12/13, and next year could go either way, but should be right on the bubble at worst, unless Rumpel is a complete bust. This season's freshman class is more talented than I first thought, and w/ so many 3 and 4 year guys in that class good times are right around the corner. Mersch, Clark, Dahl, Zengerle, Barnes, Simonelli and Faust are all going to be bigger contributors again and again. Zengerle could leave next season, but he really faded this season, I think the tougher competition caught up w/ him, but he is indeed talented.
 
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