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Wisconsin Hockey, Vol II: Rebuild, Refresh, and Renew!

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From today's presser:

Q: ...how many of your guys do you think were surprised by what your were able to do against BC on Friday?

Tony Granato: ...um...I'm hoping none... but I think you're probably right in saying that... I think our mindset has to be that the challenges that are in
front of us are good challenges because we're a good team ...and that means when your beat BC on Friday you gotta expect to beat them on Saturday.

I would say... ...our players are probably happy we got a split.

I don't think as a coaching staff, or as a program like the University of Wisconsin, we should be happy with saying
we got a split.



Good answer, Coach.
 
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"Dress Up Like An Empty Seat Day" was a great success, AND Cameron Hughes scored a between-the-legs goal. Awesome!

Yeah, in for the weekend from out of state and was at Sunday's game. I know Sunday's may be tough attendance wise; but, I think that's smallest that I have ever seen a student section - even during winter breaks. That was disappointing.

I was encouraged by the fight back to get it to 6-5; but, then they just ran out of gas. It sure seemed like we had shortened our lines for this game. I hardly saw Davison & Bunz out there, and don't recall seeing much of Ustashi & Freytag either. Thought that may have caught up to us in the last 6 minutes, where we really looked tired.
 
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Yeah, in for the weekend from out of state and was at Sunday's game. I know Sunday's may be tough attendance wise; but, I think that's smallest that I have ever seen a student section - even during winter breaks. That was disappointing.

I'd say it was a typical holiday crowd, but I've definitely seen bigger student sections during those early/mid January games (at least a week before the spring semester starts). I've been in smaller student sections on Thanksgiving weekends, and I've seen it smaller during the first half of winter break.

Obviously, that's not a standard we want to compare non-break games to, even Sunday afternoons. (Similarly, it wasn't far off from some games last year, particularly Halloween against ASU...which is also not the standard we want.) Anyway, it all ties into what I've said about men's hockey games being appointment events rather than some extra thing. It'll get better through this year (Sunday will look like a fluke), and hopefully beyond.
 
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Before the memory of Sunday's game fades I wanted to mention I earlier made an observation about refs calling every touch the first two, then swallowing the whistle in the third. Was the same on Sunday. Would have been nice to get that clear hook on Hughes in front of the net on the breakaway late...

Not that Bucky deserved the game anyway, just an example of what can happen when they call it differently period to period.
 
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Before the memory of Sunday's game fades I wanted to mention I earlier made an observation about refs calling every touch the first two, then swallowing the whistle in the third. .

Hate that. Call it 1 way or another. I am all for getting rid of obstruction, but some of the calls were lunacy.

I think we need to see Berry or Blomquist start a game. Hard to believe Jurusik has turned the corner after Sunday.
 
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I'd say it was a typical holiday crowd, but I've definitely seen bigger student sections during those early/mid January games (at least a week before the spring semester starts). I've been in smaller student sections on Thanksgiving weekends, and I've seen it smaller during the first half of winter break.

Obviously, that's not a standard we want to compare non-break games to, even Sunday afternoons. (Similarly, it wasn't far off from some games last year, particularly Halloween against ASU...which is also not the standard we want.) Anyway, it all ties into what I've said about men's hockey games being appointment events rather than some extra thing. It'll get better through this year (Sunday will look like a fluke), and hopefully beyond.

took The Mrs to the Badgers Hockey Luncheon today.
Very Nice Event With Both Coach Granatos as well as Players Trent Frederick and Corbin Mcguire. Heck even Jerry Kelly was there.
Both Tony and Don spoke to what they are trying to build!!
Tony went table to table schmoozing folks, one lady commented on how great the Kohl Center Atmosphere was on Friday.
Tony's Response "Wait Til We Get 15,000 in there"
They went over the U-18 game this weekend...now the Wife wants to Go!!!
 
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Before the memory of Sunday's game fades I wanted to mention I earlier made an observation about refs calling every touch the first two, then swallowing the whistle in the third. Was the same on Sunday. Would have been nice to get that clear hook on Hughes in front of the net on the breakaway late...

Not that Bucky deserved the game anyway, just an example of what can happen when they call it differently period to period.

Great point. I agree they need to call it the same no matter how much time is left.
 
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This could be an interesting experiment

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyGranato">@TonyGranato</a> promised, some new lines for <a href="https://twitter.com/BadgerMHockey">@BadgerMHockey</a> this week. To 3:<br>Wagner-Kunin-Johnson<br>Zimmer-Frederic-Labosky<br>Ford-Hughes-Besse</p>— Todd Milewski (@ToddMilewski) <a href="https://twitter.com/ToddMilewski/status/789210480527237121">October 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I've never seen that video before. Nice. He is / was terrible and never had control of the game.

Someone sent me the original video of that years ago because we were at that game. It really did give you a great bit of insight into his "talents."
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey, Vol II: Rebuild, Refresh, and Renew!

This could be an interesting experiment

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyGranato">@TonyGranato</a> promised, some new lines for <a href="https://twitter.com/BadgerMHockey">@BadgerMHockey</a> this week. To 3:<br>Wagner-Kunin-Johnson<br>Zimmer-Frederic-Labosky<br>Ford-Hughes-Besse</p>— Todd Milewski (@ToddMilewski) <a href="https://twitter.com/ToddMilewski/status/789210480527237121">October 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Too bad Malone is out.

Attendance will be bad. If BC can't draw, the U18 team sure won't.
 
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Attendance will be bad. If BC can't draw, the U18 team sure won't.

I don't know that it is fair to say that BC didn't draw. Sure, having a "marquee" opponent like BC didn't sell out the Kohl, but that was never going to happen.
The Friday game was about what you would have seen for any opening Friday of recent years (yeah, I know, not that big of an accomplishment).
Yeah, Sunday's attendance sucked. But that is what you get for an afternoon home game when the Packers play at the same time.

I'll admit it, I'm not optimistic about numbers for tonight. Probably in the 7500-8500 range if I had to guess. Doesn't the NTDP have a pretty good following of family that travels to most games? That might help a little bit...

**as a quick side note, how crazy is it that we complain about attendance figures that would sell out 95% of college rinks???**
 
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**as a quick side note, how crazy is it that we complain about attendance figures that would sell out 95% of college rinks???**

Not crazy at all. If you were ever part of the student section that was routinely filling the 300s, you would be as disappointed as we are about the stark difference in environment.


Edit: Get off my lawn
 
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I was kind of hoping the shake up in lines this week would reunite the record setting Benilde-St. Margaret's duo of Besse-Labosky.

Maybe we're just saving that for when it really counts.
 
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Not crazy at all. If you were ever part of the student section that was routinely filling the 300s, you would be as disappointed as we are about the stark difference in environment.

^This, and I think it's fair to recognize that the Badgers should lead NCAA D-I men's hockey in attendance. I'm not saying that as some spokesman for the Badgers; I'm saying that because it makes sense. When you take into account the size of the university, hockey fandom*/participation in the area, the size of the market, and the competition for both dollars and plain-old energy for following sports teams in that market, I don't think there is a more potent place on the D-I college hockey map. The Boston area is diluted due to multiple schools and major pro teams. College hockey isn't as diluted in southeastern Michigan, but there's still more competition. The twin cities area is bigger and more hockey-mad, but there's also far more competition. As long as the size of the arena isn't the limiting factor in Madison, averaging 8K is far below the realistic potential of the program.

*I feel like a broken record, because the majority of times I've chimed in on this thread over the last several months, I've been saying a lot of the same things. One of those things is how absolutely alarming the disparity is between NHL fans and college hockey fans on campus. When the coats, jackets, and sweatshirts start coming off, NHL jerseys (not including t-shirts) are everywhere on campus, even compared to other pro sports. There are tons of people who don't get into it because...well...they just never get into it (chicken and the egg), even if they are hockey fans.

People who were in my class typically didn't see UW hockey as a big "event" sport unless they really got into it early. I know a guy just 2 years ahead of me who basically went through a different world when it comes to UW hockey - he's not that into hockey, but he was still generally aware of how the team was doing at any given point, and he definitely saw it as the third "major sport" on campus. That's what needs to come back, and it's what I mean when I say that they need to build it from the ground up so people see it as a "thing" again. As tall of a task as that is, the potential is definitely there, and it is perfectly reasonable to describe 8-9K crowds as disappointingly small, even if you ignore the illusions created by arena capacity that make it feel emptier (not that the effects on fans' energy - and overall experience - isn't real).

Also, those "upper reserved" seats should be like $12-15, not $20. That didn't make sense to me five years ago, and it doesn't make sense now. I don't have access to a ton of data on price elasticity, but I find it hard to believe that they get more revenue at the $20 price - which nobody buys because it's so close to the $24 seats - than they would at a lower price. Factor in future returns from returning fans and an enhanced game experience (because of more fans), and it becomes even more worth it.
 
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The attendance thing is gonna take a while... years even.

Don't get me wrong, I'm as disappointed as anyone, but best not to fret over it game to game.

What's important is that the program is in the right hands now and on the right path.


If you (re)build it...
 
Also, those "upper reserved" seats should be like $12-15, not $20. That didn't make sense to me five years ago, and it doesn't make sense now. I don't have access to a ton of data on price elasticity, but I find it hard to believe that they get more revenue at the $20 price - which nobody buys because it's so close to the $24 seats - than they would at a lower price. Factor in future returns from returning fans and an enhanced game experience (because of more fans), and it becomes even more worth it.

I used to think that too. I had the chance to talk to some people involved in making those pricing decisions and see it in a different light.
It comes down to this, do you think the $20 price point is what is keeping people away right now? Do you think that there are people who say "that ticket isn't worth$20, but I'd buy it for $15"?
If people want to be at the game, they will be at the game; $15, $20, $24 isn't going to make a huge difference.
I think that it has had more to do with record, style of play, personal feelings towards coaching staff.
I think if the team continues to win and puts an exciting product on the ice that there will be people who will pay $20 for those seats.
 
I used to think that too. I had the chance to talk to some people involved in making those pricing decisions and see it in a different light.
It comes down to this, do you think the $20 price point is what is keeping people away right now? Do you think that there are people who say "that ticket isn't worth$20, but I'd buy it for $15"?
If people want to be at the game, they will be at the game; $15, $20, $24 isn't going to make a huge difference.
I think that it has had more to do with record, style of play, personal feelings towards coaching staff.
I think if the team continues to win and puts an exciting product on the ice that there will be people who will pay $20 for those seats.

Almost nobody has sat up there in the past 2 seasons. (Edit: and I can't remember anyone sitting up there yet during this season.) If I'm taking my family to a game, a 24-15 gap presents a far more attractive option than the 20 dollar stiuation there is now. (Multiply everything by 4.) Even when ignoring multiplying prices for families, yes I do see 15 dollars MUCH differently than 20 (25% decrease!), especially when getting in the mindset of a casual fan who doesn't think about UW hockey very often. Remember that most potential fans in this market aren't watching games itching to get down to the arena. They might check it out, see what it's all about, and get better seats next time. The upper deck was packed for low profile games a couple of years ago when they made those seats 11 or 12 bucks (I forget which), and 15 would be a reasonable permenant price. Remember that those are terrible sightlines behind the first row, too.

Edit2: Also remember that "college hockey" around here has turned into just a slightly more popular and expensive version of "college soccer" or something like that. The increased local coverage will help change that, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking this is like the Maple Leafs being bad for a long time.
 
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