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Wisconsin Hockey Vol I: Dawn of the Fifth Age of UW Hockey!
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Yeah, but it would knock our socks off!
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol I: Dawn of the Fifth Age of UW Hockey!
Doubt Oz would be content with assistant as he reportedly had that opportunity last year.
Doubt Oz would be content with assistant as he reportedly had that opportunity last year.
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Gurtholfin
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Take the women's program out of the equation and I still wouldn't want MJ.
Feels like a retread.
Take the women's program out of the equation and I still wouldn't want MJ.
Feels like a retread.
IndianaBadger1995
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Part of that is I was talking to my mother the other day about the HC position and she thinks Mark Johnson really wants to follow in his father's footsteps as coach of the men's team. Disregarding the women's team for a second, think of what the men's team would be like if you had a legacy coach such as MJ. What boy ages 16-18 that loves hockey hasn't seen the movie Miracle? That's a major + in the recruiting department to be able to play for a guy who was on that 1980 team AND scored half of the goals for USA in their 4-3 win against the USSR. Then combine that factor with the recruiting connections that Granato and Osiecki have.
Getting the recruits is the majority of the battle. I'm sure MJ would have a great system to run similar to his father's or Jeff Sauer's.
Now, regarding the women's team. It's totally fair to say he should stay there since he's built Wisconsin into a contender year in and year out. Went to one of their games this year, a 4-0 win over Dartmouth, where the teams were definitely in different tiers. The shots were 63-9 at the end of the game. That's what I want for the men's team. We should be the team doing the dominating, not the team getting dominated like this last two years.
Just my perspective on things. If Osiecki is the new HC I won't mind it but I hope he has someone like Granato lined up to be his assistant.
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Part of that is I was talking to my mother the other day about the HC position and she thinks Mark Johnson really wants to follow in his father's footsteps as coach of the men's team. Disregarding the women's team for a second, think of what the men's team would be like if you had a legacy coach such as MJ. What boy ages 16-18 that loves hockey hasn't seen the movie Miracle? That's a major + in the recruiting department to be able to play for a guy who was on that 1980 team AND scored half of the goals for USA in their 4-3 win against the USSR. Then combine that factor with the recruiting connections that Granato and Osiecki have.
Getting the recruits is the majority of the battle. I'm sure MJ would have a great system to run similar to his father's or Jeff Sauer's.
Now, regarding the women's team. It's totally fair to say he should stay there since he's built Wisconsin into a contender year in and year out. Went to one of their games this year, a 4-0 win over Dartmouth, where the teams were definitely in different tiers. The shots were 63-9 at the end of the game. That's what I want for the men's team. We should be the team doing the dominating, not the team getting dominated like this last two years.
Just my perspective on things. If Osiecki is the new HC I won't mind it but I hope he has someone like Granato lined up to be his assistant.
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I will stick with purchasing the occasional single game purchase, which is something that wasn't going to happen if Eaves had stayed. Granted, some of it was just bad timing, but I saw some of the biggest blowouts in recent history.
If they get off to a better start, I'm also much more likely to watch them on TV. Last time I went out of my way to make time to watch them on TV was the 2014 NCAA flame-out against North Dakota.
I don't think there is any coaching staff that is immediately going to bring back crowds of 14,000-15,000. However, it should slow/stop the bleeding of season ticket non-renewals and generate much more initial interest this fall. UW would also do well to get more creative in their ticket packages.
I will stick with purchasing the occasional single game purchase, which is something that wasn't going to happen if Eaves had stayed. Granted, some of it was just bad timing, but I saw some of the biggest blowouts in recent history.
If they get off to a better start, I'm also much more likely to watch them on TV. Last time I went out of my way to make time to watch them on TV was the 2014 NCAA flame-out against North Dakota.
I don't think there is any coaching staff that is immediately going to bring back crowds of 14,000-15,000. However, it should slow/stop the bleeding of season ticket non-renewals and generate much more initial interest this fall. UW would also do well to get more creative in their ticket packages.
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Gurtholfin
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Women's hockey is top heavy in a way that the men's game will never be again. A few programs get all of the best players and fortunately, UW is one of them.
MJ is undoubtedly a great women's coach, but he also has a lot to work with.
I can't see Miracle or what Mark did 35+ years ago having a greater impact on a kid than Oz being able to say, "Look at the guys I helped get into the NHL."
Also, he can point to his junior and AHL experience and show that he understands the entire journey, inside and out.
GBBadger14
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Wisko McBadgerton
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol I: Dawn of the Fifth Age of UW Hockey!
Sure. Who would that be?
A fantasy Oz as HC and Granato as assistant makes no sense to me. Oz has been an assistant for 9 of the last 12 years with his 3 year HC stint at OSU while Donny has been a HC for 16 of the last 17 with one year as an NHL assistant. So maybe the other way around. Associate HC at a winning Wisconsin might even be a small step up from Oz's current job as an AHL assistant. Yes, he apparently wasn't interested in the sinking ship last year as an assistant, but it's not the same deal right now, is it? I like Oz and if he gets it I'm fine. But it's not knocking my socks off.
Sure. Who would that be?
A fantasy Oz as HC and Granato as assistant makes no sense to me. Oz has been an assistant for 9 of the last 12 years with his 3 year HC stint at OSU while Donny has been a HC for 16 of the last 17 with one year as an NHL assistant. So maybe the other way around. Associate HC at a winning Wisconsin might even be a small step up from Oz's current job as an AHL assistant. Yes, he apparently wasn't interested in the sinking ship last year as an assistant, but it's not the same deal right now, is it? I like Oz and if he gets it I'm fine. But it's not knocking my socks off.
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Wisko McBadgerton
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol I: Dawn of the Fifth Age of UW Hockey!
I believe he will be a coach at the NTDP tryout camp, so maybe it's in his future somewhere.
I believe he will be a coach at the NTDP tryout camp, so maybe it's in his future somewhere.
icebadger
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol I: Dawn of the Fifth Age of UW Hockey!
Maybe Butters is feeling recharged after a couple years off?
Badger Booster
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Yeah, but he and his staff have gone out and gotten the best players and coached them up to be championship caliber. It's not like they can just draw a 60 mile radius of Madison to get recruits. The roster is literally made of players from coast-to-coast (California to upstate New York & British Columbia to Quebec).
I do understand that there aren't a ton of options for the top recruits and there is no flight risk to junior hockey/NHL. However, I just don't think it's automatic that Wisconsin will be a women's hockey super-power whomever is in charge.
Personally, I'd like to see him coach the women's program for another decade. On paper, they probably have the most talented roster in the country coming back next year & a great class coming in. However, Coach Johnson has to know that this is realistically his last opportunity to get the men's job. I have to believe there is a strong pull for him to seriously consider applying for the job.
As I said in the women's section, it's an exciting (& anxious) time to be a Wisconsin hockey fan.
Yeah, but he and his staff have gone out and gotten the best players and coached them up to be championship caliber. It's not like they can just draw a 60 mile radius of Madison to get recruits. The roster is literally made of players from coast-to-coast (California to upstate New York & British Columbia to Quebec).
I do understand that there aren't a ton of options for the top recruits and there is no flight risk to junior hockey/NHL. However, I just don't think it's automatic that Wisconsin will be a women's hockey super-power whomever is in charge.
Personally, I'd like to see him coach the women's program for another decade. On paper, they probably have the most talented roster in the country coming back next year & a great class coming in. However, Coach Johnson has to know that this is realistically his last opportunity to get the men's job. I have to believe there is a strong pull for him to seriously consider applying for the job.
As I said in the women's section, it's an exciting (& anxious) time to be a Wisconsin hockey fan.
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No, that would just "blow".
No, that would just "blow".
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Gurtholfin
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Credit where credit due. MJ and his staff have done an excellent job.
Let's not pretend it could/would (automatically) translate to the men's game though.
Credit where credit due. MJ and his staff have done an excellent job.
Let's not pretend it could/would (automatically) translate to the men's game though.
Badger Booster
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We are in agreement there. That's why in the women's thread that I debated those who said the job was Coach Johnson's if he wanted it.
We are in agreement there. That's why in the women's thread that I debated those who said the job was Coach Johnson's if he wanted it.
As far as "Who would that be?" I don't write the checks, but by 2017-2018 if I was and there isn't a turn around I wouldn't be writing BA a check! ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Well, with the addition of Notre Dame, I suppose that we're right where Barry wanted us to be back in 2009 (remember when he was saying we should leave the WCHA for the CCHA or independence back then?).
In fact, this is probably even better than Barry's CCHA plan... he gets almost all of the bowl division D-I football schools (other than BC, UConn and the MAC schools) AND he doesn't have to play UP schools, Alaska schools, "other" Minnesota schools, etc.
Well, with the addition of Notre Dame, I suppose that we're right where Barry wanted us to be back in 2009 (remember when he was saying we should leave the WCHA for the CCHA or independence back then?).
In fact, this is probably even better than Barry's CCHA plan... he gets almost all of the bowl division D-I football schools (other than BC, UConn and the MAC schools) AND he doesn't have to play UP schools, Alaska schools, "other" Minnesota schools, etc.
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And the addition of ND begs the question, who will be school #8? With 7, someone is always playing a NC series each week.
And the addition of ND begs the question, who will be school #8? With 7, someone is always playing a NC series each week.
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