WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. 22 - Let's not have another cheesy thread title... Wait, What?

[Gurtholfin]

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You can't bring in guys just because they have ties to the program.

Couldn't agree more. Same goes for coaches.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

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This discussion reminded me of this.


Funny stuff.

 

[bucky15]

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[UCBadger]

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In those old days from my memory, they would check the curve by trying to pass a dime under a straightedge. If the dime passed freely, it was an illegal curve. Anyone heard of that? All sticks were wood then, though, and the curves weren't as extensive or as common.

I assume you mean the diamater of the dime under the straighedge. Wisconsin has a metal or cardboard cutout which was placed on the stick. If the center of the cutout did not touch the center of the blade (while the ends of the template were in contact with the ends of the blade) then the stick was illegial. You would always challenge the stick used to score the GWG in OT. Players using illegal sticks were very good at getting to the bench as quickly as possible after a goal, cause once you were on the bench any stick becomes your stick.

 

[UCBadger]

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Other things that used to happen that I don't see today. Double minor penalties for 4:00.

 

[Carter]

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I still get goosebumps when I think of that 3rd period. Seriously? An illegal stick?

I have an interesting story on the illegal stick incident. The metal stick gauge had been provided by the North Dakota bench, and it did indeed show the stick was illegal. After the game, the ref apparently found out that the gauge itself had been ground down. Whether that was with the intent of fooling someone about the legality of the stick, or to make NoDak's sticks sort of super-legal, nobody knows. I'm drawing a complete blank on the ref's name, but it was an Italian name and he was a well known ref in the WCHA. At any rate, he was also on the NCAA selection committee, and this was back in the days of the smoke filled room. Although many people believed that North Dakota should be selected over Wisconsin, he was adamant that they would not get in after the attempted deception with the stick gauge. And they didn't. I got this story from my next door neighbor who was very thick with all the honchos in the UW athletic department back in the day. Might just be BS, but I certainly believed it at the time, and I guess I still do.

Edit: Was the ref's name Martinello?

 

[MadCityRich]

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With respect to teams the past few years, holy **** those teams were loaded and the Kohl Center was LOUD and FULL. Those were the days, my friend.

 

[bucky15]

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With respect to teams the past few years, holy **** those teams were loaded and the Kohl Center was LOUD and FULL. Those were the days, my friend.

Rhino and Heater were the most explosive players together since I have been watching Badger hockey. The stickhanding and overall quality and skill level of some of those goals is just unreal.....when comparing to how the...18 goals over 10 games have been scored this season. I remember watching the NODAK games at a youth hockey tournament together with my teammates. Those were two fantastic endings to hard fought games.

 

[GoBucky!]

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You would always challenge the stick used to score the GWG in OT. Players using illegal sticks were very good at getting to the bench as quickly as possible after a goal, cause once you were on the bench any stick becomes your stick.

I also recall that players after scoring a goal would toss their sticks towards the corner of the rink. The other players on the ice would do the same so the refs wouldn't know which was the correct one.

I seem to remember that they changed the penalty for an illegal stick to being just a 2 minute penalty and not taking the goal away, so that's why the don't bother challenging the stick any more. Any one else?

 

[Innova]

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I also recall that players after scoring a goal would toss their sticks towards the corner of the rink. The other players on the ice would do the same so the refs wouldn't know which was the correct one.

I seem to remember that they changed the penalty for an illegal stick to being just a 2 minute penalty and not taking the goal away, so that's why the don't bother challenging the stick any more. Any one else?

This seems to be correct. I found to 2008-2010 rules, and it does say the goal is still allowed, but that a minor penalty will be charged. (Page HR-30, or just search for curvature).

 

[SJHovey]

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I have an interesting story on the illegal stick incident. The metal stick gauge had been provided by the North Dakota bench, and it did indeed show the stick was illegal. After the game, the ref apparently found out that the gauge itself had been ground down. Whether that was with the intent of fooling someone about the legality of the stick, or to make NoDak's sticks sort of super-legal, nobody knows. I'm drawing a complete blank on the ref's name, but it was an Italian name and he was a well known ref in the WCHA. At any rate, he was also on the NCAA selection committee, and this was back in the days of the smoke filled room. Although many people believed that North Dakota should be selected over Wisconsin, he was adamant that they would not get in after the attempted deception with the stick gauge. And they didn't. I got this story from my next door neighbor who was very thick with all the honchos in the UW athletic department back in the day. Might just be BS, but I certainly believed it at the time, and I guess I still do.

Edit: Was the ref's name Martinello?

That makes for an interesting story, but I don't think it's true, at least as you've reported it.

There is no doubt that UND fans felt they were jobbed by the selection committee. But it wasn't at the hands of, or for the benefit of, Wisconsin. It was Duluth.

Minnesota won the regular season title, with UND 2nd, Wisco 3rd and UMD 4th. Minnesota beat UMD in the two games, total goals series while Wisconsin beat UND as we've described today.

Wisconsin then went on to win the playoff title over Minnesota. Thus, there was little doubt that both Minnesota and Wisconsin would get in. The real question was the 3rd team. There was even some discussion whether all 4 should get in, but that would never happen at the expense of the CCHA.

Although I wasn't in the room, I think the general consensus has always been, and was reported, that a couple of factors weighed in UMD's favor. First they had a 4-2 edge in the season series over UND. Second, the "smoke filled room" back then used the "15 game rule." They always looked at the teams last 15 games to see how they were playing at the time the selection was made, to try to balance early season inexperience, injuries, etc...

UND staggered into tournament time. As I recall, they maybe played .500 hockey from the middle of January on.

As entertaining as it is to conclude there was personal spite and paybacks involved, I suspect the head to head results and UND's very average play as the season ended were the real reasons we sat home that late March and early April.

 

[burd]

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Rhino and Heater were the most explosive players together since I have been watching Badger hockey. The stickhanding and overall quality and skill level of some of those goals is just unreal.....when comparing to how the...18 goals over 10 games have been scored this season. I remember watching the NODAK games at a youth hockey tournament together with my teammates. Those were two fantastic endings to hard fought games.

Heatley was an uncommon scorer, but Reinprecht could disrupt defenses like few I've seen with his ability to control the puck and dish it out. That was a marriage made in heaven--or hell, as we Sioux fans saw it.

There have been a lot of comments on the Hukalo goals, but I recall them both coming off offensive zone faceoffs, with Reinprecht getting the draw to someone who dished it to Hukalo between the circles. I'm quite sure that is how it happened on Friday night--it was right in front of me. If that's not how it happened on Sat, someone who remembers better can straighten me out. What are the chances . . . two overtime goals by the same guy from the same spot on the ice in the same series, both off faceoffs?

After all these years, it still smells of a fix.

 

[Carter]

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Both of the Hukalo goals are in the highlights video a few posts back.

 

[burd]

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Both of the Hukalo goals are in the highlights video a few posts back.

Thanks. Saw I was wrong about the faceoff part on Sat night. Same spot, though.

 

[solovsfett]

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This is exactly right and it bugs the crap out of me. I can live with Condon going to Minnesota but when Pavelski's brother is playing for New Hampshire, John Taft's son playing for CC....***?! amd there are others too that aren't' coming to mind at the moment, that to me is just more evidence of a deep problem with the current coaching staff.

Taft is very good (EDIT, I'm basing this on the UW series where he certainly seemed to be a decent player and could skate well), Riley Smith would have been great, he was a 20-goal scorer IIRC

 

[Gandalf the Red]

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What I really can't understand, outside of injuries, this is the same team as last year who was playing well at the end of the season minus Justin Schultz and a couple guys who didn't play much or have a big role.

If Justin Schultz was the glue that was holding everything together to this extent, then the NCAA needs to give him the Hobey Baker since he meant more to this team than anyone could possibly imagine.

This team could easily be 4-4-2 and be respectable right now, and it would have just meant finishing a few games early on. If that was the case we wouldn't be having these discussions, because it would be a decent start considering the Kerdiles suspension, etc. I'm trying to get excited about the upcoming series listening/watching them if they are going to play uninspired hockey.

 

[gwhinwi]

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Another thing that has become a frustration to me, throughout the Eaves era, is the team plays when they are in OT. I might be wrong, but it seems that Eaves is completely comfortable with dump and chase and getting 1 point once they get to OT. I can't remember the last time that I felt that the team might have a chance to win a game in OT, he had them put serious pressure on in the offensive end and try to force the other team to make a mistake.

 

[icebadger]

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Another thing that has become a frustration to me, throughout the Eaves era, is the team plays when they are in OT. I might be wrong, but it seems that Eaves is completely comfortable with dump and chase and getting 1 point once they get to OT. I can't remember the last time that I felt that the team might have a chance to win a game in OT, he had them put serious pressure on in the offensive end and try to force the other team to make a mistake.

At this point, getting through the first minute of OT seems like a moral victory. It seems like we've had many OT losses in that first minute over the recent past including dedication night vs CC.

 

[Gandalf the Red]

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Another thing that has become a frustration to me, throughout the Eaves era, is the team plays when they are in OT. I might be wrong, but it seems that Eaves is completely comfortable with dump and chase and getting 1 point once they get to OT. I can't remember the last time that I felt that the team might have a chance to win a game in OT, he had them put serious pressure on in the offensive end and try to force the other team to make a mistake.

You are not alone in this feeling. Eaves style late in games is to play not to lose instead of playing to win, hence the reason they haven't won a WCHA game in OT since the 3rd place game in 2007. They had nothing to gain win or lose since they were already out based on the PWR.

 

[Badger Booster]

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Andy Baggot reporting that Zengerle is making the trip out to Denver and doesn't rule out him playing. Interesting...