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Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

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Sorry...I'm not buying the Eaves was looking for an excuse to gain Thurber's scholarship in some evil plot to divide it among 8 other new players he wants to bring in this fall to keep Bearson in the doghouse (oh wait...Zach is gone....errr I meant Turnbull). Thurber sure looked to me like a prototypical Eaves type of player...gritty, responsible, energetic, ect.

There's not much to not like about how Thurber plays and he was simply a lineup casualty to one of the strengths of the Badgers this season...namely veteran depth at forward. If you paid attention to senior night last Saturday, you'll realize that a guy like Thurber will be a wonderful option to have when Bendickson, Bombach, Davies, Geoffrion, Grotting, Mitchell, & Street are not around this fall. We will be transforming this off season from as veteran a group as you'll see in college hockey to one that is considerably greener where a junior that can play center would be a real nice option in the bag of tricks.

Last, who on earth would Eaves need the scholarship for at this point? Out of Hartzog, Paape, Lapic, & Strang (our verabl commits for '11), I don't see any as screaming out I am playing so awesomely that I must be in Madison in October '10. It's pretty late in the game to find an uncommitted player worth bringing in next fall (Jason Clark was one of the last one's left on the board), unless there is an underaged kid like Rocco Grimaldi that has accelerated their schooling and can come in as a 17 year old.
 
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Timmy and Wojo, both good posts this morning. Not much I can add just wanted to say that.
 
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RedFreak said:
Because the tournament is one-and-done, the flucuations about the mean goal differential are also important. The goal differentials for the two teams are: (2006, 1.52 +/- 2.58) (2010, 1.56 +/- 2.95)

I have been a Badger hockey fan since the late 70s. I do not have a 2006 obsession. It's simply riskier to count on offense to cover for defense. Not that there is anything to be done about it this year, the team is what it is. And I've been enjoying the offense. But I'll be surprised if this team makes it deep into the tournament. Very pleasantly surprised, but surprised.
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Well said. Good defense usually trumps good offense and I, like you, have my concerns about this team's chances. But also like you, I'm enjoying the ride and am hoping for the best.

At least we're going to the dance this year and with a good team, if not great. Just gotta win 4 in a row.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Just gotta win 4 in a row.
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True, there are only 4 games.

Upon reflection, I think that's the source of my atypical attitude towards the McNaughton Cup. It feels like more of an accomplishment than winning the NCAA, which has more of a component of luck in it.
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
A) That article was from well over a month ago, whats with the quote now?

B) You need to read more than one paragraph.

"The Blueshirts, we're told, believe Stepan needs another year of development either at school or in junior hockey before he's ready to turn pro, but are keenly interested in getting Wisconsin defenseman Ryan McDonagh -- acquired from Montreal in the Scott Gomez deal -- into the organization following the completion of this, his junior season."

That clearly lays out that after this season, they want McDonagh, but that Stepan needs another year of development.
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Thank you. I can read but only in small chunks. :p
 
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3 athletes got suspended indefinitely from the football program today as well.
 
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WeWantMore said:
3 athletes got suspended indefinitely from the football program today as well.
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That was from Sunday, unless you mean they actually got kicked off the team. If the rumors at Badger Nation about what happened are true they went WAY over the line of coming back to the team.
 
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Badgers1 said:
That was from Sunday, unless you mean they actually got kicked off the team. If the rumors at Badger Nation about what happened are true they went WAY over the line of coming back to the team.
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Oh my fault for the way I phrased that, I guess it happened yesterday, I saw it in the paper today though.
 
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I feel bad for Thurber, but of course this could have been avoided. He could have been good and was a WI kid as well.

That said (I have posted this before), as a player representing the UW, and receiving a four year free ride at <strike>one of</strike> the best college hockey program in North America, you've got to watch your ***. Boys will be boys, but you've got to put on that thinking cap before getting into a situation you'll regret.
 
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MadCityRich said:
I feel bad for Thurber, but of course this could have been avoided. He could have been good and was a WI kid as well.

That said (I have posted this before), as a player representing the UW, and receiving a four year free ride at <strike>one of</strike> the best college hockey program in North America, you've got to watch your ***. Boys will be boys, but you've got to put on that thinking cap before getting into a situation you'll regret.
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No arguments here. We all make mistakes. For every mistake we make, we deserve second chances and consequences. The severity of our mistakes dictates the harshness of the consequences and the ease of our second chances. It's just the way life works.

Thurber did something bad. The details aren't important. Losing his part in UW hockey is the consequence. He'll get his second chance. It might be as a part of another hockey program, or it might be by taking advantage of his 2 free years of UW education. To insist that there's anything inherintly unfair or wrong with that only serves to confuse people like me.
 
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On the Thurber situation:

Without reading the police report or having the charges turn up on CCAP, it's difficult to tell whether this incident involved his girlfriend, her lover, or both of them (or something completely different). The charges we know of (Battery and Disorderly Conduct) are consistent with either possibility (the DC is a standard throw-in charge in these situations); given the fact that there were 3 misdemeanors but only two enumerated in the article may suggest 2 charges of Battery which would indicate two victims. Without knowing any details it is sort of hard to form an opinion, but I don't think it's worth prying into to satisfy our message board curiosity.

As far as Eaves decision and due process, I think it's fairly likely that after meeting with Thurber, Eaves was satisfied that his actions were substantially as alleged (probably something as simple as asking and having Thurber either confirm or not deny the allegations). I wouldn't see the need wait for a court decision in that type of situation.

I don't know that Eaves would be salivating to get rid of a guy like Thurber right now. We're losing a lot of our effective grit with this senior class.

The contents of this post do not constitute legal advice or opinions.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
No arguments here. We all make mistakes. For every mistake we make, we deserve second chances and consequences. The severity of our mistakes dictates the harshness of the consequences and the ease of our second chances. It's just the way life works.

Thurber did something bad. The details aren't important. Losing his part in UW hockey is the consequence. He'll get his second chance. It might be as a part of another hockey program, or it might be by taking advantage of his 2 free years of UW education. To insist that there's anything inherintly unfair or wrong with that only serves to confuse people like me.
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You make a very good point. Thurber will be given a second chance at another college program. What he does with that, will show his true character.
 
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bigus said:
On the Thurber situation:

Without reading the police report or having the charges turn up on CCAP, it's difficult to tell whether this incident involved his girlfriend, her lover, or both of them (or something completely different). The charges we know of (Battery and Disorderly Conduct) are consistent with either possibility (the DC is a standard throw-in charge in these situations); given the fact that there were 3 misdemeanors but only two enumerated in the article may suggest 2 charges of Battery which would indicate two victims. Without knowing any details it is sort of hard to form an opinion, but I don't think it's worth prying into to satisfy our message board curiosity.

As far as Eaves decision and due process, I think it's fairly likely that after meeting with Thurber, Eaves was satisfied that his actions were substantially as alleged (probably something as simple as asking and having Thurber either confirm or not deny the allegations). I wouldn't see the need wait for a court decision in that type of situation.

I don't know that Eaves would be salivating to get rid of a guy like Thurber right now. We're losing a lot of our effective grit with this senior class.

The contents of this post do not constitute legal advice or opinions.
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Nice disclaimer bigus! :)

Sorry men, I don't think you are going to ever see the police report. The matter will likely be plead down, with a deferred prosecution agreement in place. While the police report is a public record, subject to viewing, I cannot imagine such a request will ever be made.

I must agree with Barrister Bigus on this one. The dismissal of Thurber is not some "due process" issue. I doubt Thurber substantially denied the alleged behavior with Eaves (not a real bright thing to do as Eaves is now a potential witness) and Eaves decision likely had little to do with adjudication of the matter.

Nevertheless, I am sure the details will come out at some point, but I am sorry for Thurber and I wish him all the best as he moves on.

Note: I do NOT believe Eaves decision had anything to do with scholarship availability. Sheesh...how cynical are you people? :rolleyes:

Wisconsin Hockey: Deferred.
 
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joeyv said:
Nice disclaimer bigus! :)

While the police report is a public record, subject to viewing, I cannot imagine such a request will ever be made.

Wisconsin Hockey: Deferred.
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I'm sure Andy Baggot will do his best to dig it up. I recall in the original article Baggot wrote about the situation he threw in there this issue happened the day after Thurber's Dad filed a malpractice lawsuit over the untimely death of Mrs. Thurber. What that had to do with Matt's situation, who knows, but leave it to Baggot to get scuzy.
 
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Timothy A said:
I'm sure Andy Baggot will do his best to dig it up. I recall in the original article Baggot wrote about the situation he threw in there this issue happened the day after Thurber's Dad filed a malpractice lawsuit over the untimely death of Mrs. Thurber. What that had to do with Matt's situation, who knows, but leave it to Baggot to get scuzy.
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Maybe so, but many are waiting and wanting the details.

Surprisingly, I don't really care as he's not coming back either way. Just hope he lands on his feet.
 
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