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Wisconsin Hockey 2024 Offseason

Honestly, I was a little disappointed (and completely baffled) with Hastings based on his inability to right the ship down the stretch. It did put a little doubt in my mind about him. Little did I know that in all likelihood these guys had half a step out the door and began half-assing it. I don't know Hastings beyond his pressers and in-game bench demeanor. I haven't heard any bad press from Mankato or his past players, so I find it hard that he was completely unfair to these guys and made their continued presence on the team impossible. I'm willing to accept that the fit just wasn't right. I not willing to accept the effort those guys gave down the stretch when they likely had already decided they were going to leave.

I could be wrong here but I think Hastings found out the same thing Fickell did last year. If some kids anren’t bought in all you can do is coach your best and the guys who aren’t buying in will end up being weeded out or leave of their own volition.

the thing I want to know is who was the Hunter Wohler on the hockey team who was willing to call teammates out for not wanting to be there??
 
Good discussion on the Badger’s offseason so far. From my perspective, Hastings is a great coach who over-achieved in his first year at Madison AND these past few weeks have been concerning.

I hope Hastings can win multiple national championships here and I don’t care if he does that with older, four-year players (the model he seemed to follow in Mankato) or by a hybrid-style of team building that mixes in some elite talent (that he maybe couldn’t get at Mankato, but can get at Madison due to the increased resources) with his typical older players.

My concern is that his “Mankato-model” might not work in the B10 in 2024 and beyond. With the transfer portal, NIL, and the continuing trend of elite prospects increasingly playing college hockey, it seems to me that resource-rich schools (like every school in the B10) will be increasingly able to stock their rosters year-after-year (by using NIL for 1[SUP]st[/SUP] round talent and then filling any gaps by poaching players from lesser-resourced schools in the portal). Will a team of 24-year-old undrafted players (or late round draft picks) be able to compete night-after-night with the Michigans, Minnesotas, and now Michigan States, as these teams get even more talented? I’m worried that we can’t.

However, I’m hopeful that Hastings can build a hybrid team that gives us the best-of-both-worlds. A core of older players committed to the program for 4 or 5 years, mixed with some high-level talent. My dream scenario would be Mankato’s 21-22 team that crushed Minnesota in the Frozen Four and had Dryden McKay in net, but swap out 4 or 5 of the weaker players on that team and add 20-21 versions of Cole C, Dylan H, Linus, and K’Andre (circa 19-20; I’m assuming he would have been much better defensively in Hastings system). Unstoppable, right?

My concern with this hybrid model is that Hastings does not have a track record of recruiting Coles and Dylans, and the fact that so many of this year’s elite players decided to leave, despite having spent an entire season with him, is something that I think a reasonable person can be at least a little bit worried about. I totally get that he didn’t recruit Willie, Cruz, or Charlie, and there is a big difference between the type of hockey that Granato sold to these guys and type of hockey Hastings is now requiring, but … Hastings couldn’t win them over. If Hastings is only able to recruit players who are ready to play a 200 foot game on day one, then can he recruit 17-year-old Cole Caufields or other elite, young offensive players? Seems to me those guys sometimes (usually) don’t want to play both ways, so can he get them to come to WI?

Having said all that, I do believe in Hastings and I think it is way too soon to panic. However, I do think it’s worth watching whether or not he can recruit/retain high-end offensive talent.

Agreed 100%. My view is very similar, but you worded it so much nicer than I did lol. I am amongst Minnesota fans (Wild and gophers) on another hockey forum every single day. So I'm used to fighting tooth and nail and ribbing to defend any sort of position I hold. I apologize if I come off as extra confrontational to those posting here.

I do think the league difference is a valid point that hasn't been discussed yet. A lot harder to get a .600+ win% when you're in the big ten. I fully believe he can do it, but next year might be a bumpy transition year.

Projecting the lineup for next year:

Mosley-Fitzgerald-Tassy
Finley-Lindmark-????
Botterill-????-Kukkonen
Morrissey-Dyck-Mehlenbacher
(Scholl, Bantle?)

Palodichuk-Dexheimer
Laatsch-Kehrer
Schulz-Hensler
(Phelan)

Scarfone
Gramme
Castro

Notes:
-Not sure if Hensler is 24-25 or 25-26. Elite prospects says 25-26, but I came across an article saying he was part of the 2024 incoming class. He excites me as a prospect.
-Scarfone seems like a rock solid goaltender. Nothing below a .918 sv% in three years at RIT. 25-9-2 last year.

We are still missing two important cogs in the forward group as demonstrated by the mock lineup. Interesting portal targets include Artem Schlaine, Bennett Schimek, Luigi Benincasa, Harrison Israels (20 goal scorer), Ross Mitton (30+ points). (bold = more than 1 year of eligibility left)
 
I don't know what Scholl's ceiling is, but when things were breaking down as the season ended he seemed to be giving everything he had. Hopefully he can develop into a solid contributor to the 3rd or 4th line at a minimum.
 
Good discussion on the Badger’s offseason so far. From my perspective, Hastings is a great coach who over-achieved in his first year at Madison AND these past few weeks have been concerning.

I hope Hastings can win multiple national championships here and I don’t care if he does that with older, four-year players (the model he seemed to follow in Mankato) or by a hybrid-style of team building that mixes in some elite talent (that he maybe couldn’t get at Mankato, but can get at Madison due to the increased resources) with his typical older players.

My concern is that his “Mankato-model” might not work in the B10 in 2024 and beyond. With the transfer portal, NIL, and the continuing trend of elite prospects increasingly playing college hockey, it seems to me that resource-rich schools (like every school in the B10) will be increasingly able to stock their rosters year-after-year (by using NIL for 1[SUP]st[/SUP] round talent and then filling any gaps by poaching players from lesser-resourced schools in the portal). Will a team of 24-year-old undrafted players (or late round draft picks) be able to compete night-after-night with the Michigans, Minnesotas, and now Michigan States, as these teams get even more talented? I’m worried that we can’t.

However, I’m hopeful that Hastings can build a hybrid team that gives us the best-of-both-worlds. A core of older players committed to the program for 4 or 5 years, mixed with some high-level talent. My dream scenario would be Mankato’s 21-22 team that crushed Minnesota in the Frozen Four and had Dryden McKay in net, but swap out 4 or 5 of the weaker players on that team and add 20-21 versions of Cole C, Dylan H, Linus, and K’Andre (circa 19-20; I’m assuming he would have been much better defensively in Hastings system). Unstoppable, right?

My concern with this hybrid model is that Hastings does not have a track record of recruiting Coles and Dylans, and the fact that so many of this year’s elite players decided to leave, despite having spent an entire season with him, is something that I think a reasonable person can be at least a little bit worried about. I totally get that he didn’t recruit Willie, Cruz, or Charlie, and there is a big difference between the type of hockey that Granato sold to these guys and type of hockey Hastings is now requiring, but … Hastings couldn’t win them over. If Hastings is only able to recruit players who are ready to play a 200 foot game on day one, then can he recruit 17-year-old Cole Caufields or other elite, young offensive players? Seems to me those guys sometimes (usually) don’t want to play both ways, so can he get them to come to WI?

Having said all that, I do believe in Hastings and I think it is way too soon to panic. However, I do think it’s worth watching whether or not he can recruit/retain high-end offensive talent.

This is near word for word my thoughts. If I had to quibble, I don't think we need to replace the bottom end of what he got at Mankato with Coles and Millers. Some midround draft picks would be a marked talent improvement from what he had to work with.

It is worth considering, though, that what he's building would be a juggernaut in the context of the last 15 years, but that we have the misfortune of putting that together at the dawn of the era where the high draft pick superteams that the gophers and the wolverines (and the badgers) have been failing to win championships with are what will dominate.

I sure hope not though.
 
Regarding a previous point…

https://twitter.com/russohockey/stat...EraP-bFzu2jk4w

”To your point, if he doesn't change his ways, this will affect recruiting bc NHL teams are already worried about his willingness to develop their draft picks. This isn't Mankato anymore.” - Michael Russo (one of the most plugged in guys to the NHL)

If Stange had “it” Granato and Hastings would have played him more. Period.

This is so overblown. Mike Eaves was much more hardcore than Hastings and he got plenty of players into the NHL. In fact, teams wanted kids to go to Wisconsin to learn discipline and defense/2-way game.

Hastings’s recruits will be just fine. In fact, I’m certain they’ll fair better in the NHL than the Michigan players who just play offense and cheat the zone.

any scout who is going to rip Hastings has 0 idea, and I mean 0 idea what they’re talking about.

i’ll put Hastings up against any coach in the NCAA.

EDIT: further, NHL teams who want to dictate to NCAA teams the amount of playing time a kid should get can pound sand.
 
Though it's not stated in the post, my guess is it is about Stramel. We'll see if things change for him at MSU. I can only guess, but my hunch is that most of the problem with Charlie's development lies with Charlie. You can blame 2 coaches, but if nothing happens for him at State, is yet another coach to blame for his lack of development?
 
Though it's not stated in the post, my guess is it is about Stramel. We'll see if things change for him at MSU. I can only guess, but my hunch is that most of the problem with Charlie's development lies with Charlie. You can blame 2 coaches, but if nothing happens for him at State, is yet another coach to blame for his lack of development?

MSU has 16 forwards signed for fall. Where is the playing time going to come from?
 
I could be wrong here but I think Hastings found out the same thing Fickell did last year. If some kids anren’t bought in all you can do is coach your best and the guys who aren’t buying in will end up being weeded out or leave of their own volition.

the thing I want to know is who was the Hunter Wohler on the hockey team who was willing to call teammates out for not wanting to be there??

The similarities are spooky. I'm all in with this theory. I appreciate the fact that some of the iffy guys decided to stay a year and see how it worked out. I give them credit for that. I'm just perplexed that success didn't lead more of them wanting to stay be be part of more success and become better players during the process.

The team really changed over the season, the further away from the start of the season, the less they looked like that team and the performance showed. The fact that Hastings got them to 1 goal of the final 8 despite the some of the players seemingly buying in less was quite the accomplishment.

As far as UW getting high end players goes, I really don't care as long as they win. If UW never produces another NHL player and UW is a perennial power, I'm 100% ok with that. That's where TG failed miserably. That sucked.
 
MSU has 16 forwards signed for fall. Where is the playing time going to come from?

Either MSU's staff is aware that someone is leaving (Ike Howard going pro?; a late portal entry?) or they're not bringing in a Frosh F (DeAngelo hasn't signed his NLI, although he's on an upward trajectory so it might be improvident to delay him). Either way, as an MSU fan I trust they know how to manage the roster.
 
Though it's not stated in the post, my guess is it is about Stramel. We'll see if things change for him at MSU. I can only guess, but my hunch is that most of the problem with Charlie's development lies with Charlie. You can blame 2 coaches, but if nothing happens for him at State, is yet another coach to blame for his lack of development?

Russo covers the Wild, but also has been doing more national stories, so it wouldn’t surprise me either way.

I do think people need to stop with the “it’s okay if we never have a draft pick again” talk. Really? So if we go back in history that would mean no Caufield, Holloway, Stepan, McDonagh, Smith, Schultz, Pavelski, Burish, Heatley, Elliott, etc etc etc (just off the top of my head).

Most mid round picks are 3 or 4 year guys. Those are nice to have.
 
You cherry picked that. It's ok not to have a draft pick again, so long as the program is successful. There is a 20 year history of Minnesota and Michigan not winning the hardware with a who's who's of top NHL draft picks. There have been several teams in the last decade who have won the title that were not littered with notable draft picks. The correlation between having these top draft picks and winning the title is not so high. This year will break that trend, and maybe start a string of wins for the blue chippers, who knows? If we get some recruits that are drafted, even drafted high, great. It's just no guarantee and I think some here are advocating for a more balanced and cohesive roster instead of blindly chasing any shiny player out there, and when we don't get them we must be automatically doomed.

Look, this thing has been beaten to death. You have your opinion on this point, others see it differently. I think we're all pretty much set in our thoughts on this subject. Time will tell. My best guess is that Mike will aim for balance in recruiting, but the times are changing and all coaches must learn to adapt. I think he deserves a bit more time, and actual evidence of failure, before we over react to the events of the last couple of weeks. Mike Hastings didn't have the success he's had in his career by being an inflexible, unchanging leader.
 
Russo covers the Wild, but also has been doing more national stories, so it wouldn’t surprise me either way.

I do think people need to stop with the “it’s okay if we never have a draft pick again” talk. Really? So if we go back in history that would mean no Caufield, Holloway, Stepan, McDonagh, Smith, Schultz, Pavelski, Burish, Heatley, Elliott, etc etc etc (just off the top of my head).

Most mid round picks are 3 or 4 year guys. Those are nice to have.

NHL GMs are not staying up late working about the development of guys they drafted in the 4-7th round, most are depth players who are interchangeable.

They worry about the 1st and 2nd round picks (and maybe the 3rd) because those are the players who are supposed to be top 6 forwards and top 4 D who get GMs and Coaches fired if you miss on to many of them.

Hastings is about putting in 100% effort each and every day. It’s not glamorous, it’s a lot of hard work and some days it’s not a lot of fun.

I’m guessing that each practice was demanding and exacting and that players were held accountable for their mistakes. It wouldn’t shock me if a group of players decided after the first season that this isn’t what they signed up for and decided to seek a different environment.

I don’t blame them, I’ve left jobs after a new manager came in and it became apparent it wasn’t going to be a good fit between us. Some of those moves were disappointing and others were a great career move. The same for these players, I hope they all find a spot that lets them reach their full potential.

As fans we have been through 15 seasons of disastrous results with lackluster performance from top draft picks. Right now we are desperate for wins and are willing to see what Hastings can do after experiencing this year. Maybe this is Hastings high point at UW and everything collapses, maybe the team takes a step back or treads water, maybe they reach new heights. I have no idea what will happen, but for the first time in years I’m actually excited, draft picks or not.
 
Almington the voice of reason! Great post. I am guessing / hoping Hastings and staff will figure it out at Wisconsin and get the necessary pieces to be competitive in the Big7 year in and year out. That is based on his history of being successful at every stop in his coaching career. And I whole heartedly agree it's fun to have optimism in the direction of the program.
 
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Almington the voice of reason! Great post. I am guessing / hoping Hastings and staff will figure it out at Wisconsin and get the necessary pieces to be competitive in the Big7 year in and year out. That is based on his history of being successful at every stop in his coaching career. And I whole heartedly agree it's fun to have optimism in the direction of the program.

I hate being the voice of reason around here. Makes me feel old.

I do think that recruiting is a concern, it should be for every program. I also have no idea what to make of it. Right now we have so many new factors and variables to try and predict very far in the future. Last of the bonus 5th year, transfer portal, NIL deals that are all new or one-time events that are impacting the recruiting landscape in ways that I don’t think anyone fully understands. I know that I don’t.

This will be the first year that a team with a 1st round draft pick wins the national championship since 2018 and the last time they were a major contributor was 2016.

Yes, teams with 1st round picks have come close and fallen in the Frozen Four and even the championship game but you also have teams with first round picks (and many additional draft picks) that flamed out in the first round or didn’t even make the tournament. Draft picks don’t tell the whole story.

Michigan is my pick to win it this year? Why- because they made the Frozen Four the last 2 years. The best indicator of if a team is going to win the championship the next year is did they make the Frozen Four the previous year.

The overall talent level of college hockey is increasing, and it is possible that talent is also concentrating (even more than it already was). I’m confident that Hastings and staff are more concerned about landing the top 10 right players for their system than the ten most talented players available. I have faith that the talent level will be both comparable with any other program and that they will be competitive on the ice. Will they be able to out recruit Minnesota or Michigan? No, but they never have, at least consistently, and trying to has not translated to extended success over the past 30 years. Yes, many good teams, but nothing truly sustained over multiple seasons.

How will the larger Badger fan base respond to low scoring, but winning hockey season after season? Everyone loves a winner, but you don’t get a lot of grace when you are losing and boring at the same time.
 
As fans we have been through 15 seasons of disastrous results with lackluster performance from top draft picks. Right now we are desperate for wins and are willing to see what Hastings can do after experiencing this year. Maybe this is Hastings high point at UW and everything collapses, maybe the team takes a step back or treads water, maybe they reach new heights. I have no idea what will happen, but for the first time in years I’m actually excited, draft picks or not.

I’m happy about the direction of the program. I’m just hoping that we can build on this previous year next season. It would be nice to get an NCAA tournament win for the first time in 15 years. I’m feeling less certain about it with the transfers, but there is still time to fill holes.
 
Agreed 100%. My view is very similar, but you worded it so much nicer than I did lol. I am amongst Minnesota fans (Wild and gophers) on another hockey forum every single day. So I'm used to fighting tooth and nail and ribbing to defend any sort of position I hold. I apologize if I come off as extra confrontational to those posting here.

I do think the league difference is a valid point that hasn't been discussed yet. A lot harder to get a .600+ win% when you're in the big ten. I fully believe he can do it, but next year might be a bumpy transition year.

Projecting the lineup for next year:

Mosley-Fitzgerald-Tassy
Finley-Lindmark-????
Botterill-????-Kukkonen
Morrissey-Dyck-Mehlenbacher
(Scholl, Bantle?)

Palodichuk-Dexheimer
Laatsch-Kehrer
Schulz-Hensler
(Phelan)

Scarfone
Gramme
Castro

Notes:
-Not sure if Hensler is 24-25 or 25-26. Elite prospects says 25-26, but I came across an article saying he was part of the 2024 incoming class. He excites me as a prospect.
-Scarfone seems like a rock solid goaltender. Nothing below a .918 sv% in three years at RIT. 25-9-2 last year.

We are still missing two important cogs in the forward group as demonstrated by the mock lineup. Interesting portal targets include Artem Schlaine, Bennett Schimek, Luigi Benincasa, Harrison Israels (20 goal scorer), Ross Mitton (30+ points). (bold = more than 1 year of eligibility left)


Digitalbooya you asked about people sharing their expectations for the rest of the offseason and next season and then offered up a look at next year’s roster, here’s my take on those questions.

Roster for 2024-2025 season – feel free to correct anything I have wrong.
(Name, “G” for Granato recruit and “H” for Hastings recruit, Age, Grade, Draft Round)

Goalies: (3)
Tommy Scarfone, H, 23, Grad, Undrafted
William Gramme, G, 21, Soph, Undrafted
Anton Castro, G, 21, Fr, Undrafted

Defensemen: (7)
Anthony Kehrer, G, 21, Grad, Undrafted
Daniel Laatsch, G, 22, Senior, 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Round
Ben Dexheimer, G, 21, Junior, Undrafted
Zach Schulz, G, 19, Soph, 6[SUP]th[/SUP] Round
Joe Palodichuk, G, 21, Soph, Undrafted
Logan Hensler, H, 17, Fr, Undrafted
Jack Phelan, H, 19, Fr, 5[SUP]th[/SUP] Round

Forwards: (13)
Owen Lindmark, Eves, 23, 6[SUP]th[/SUP] Year, 5[SUP]th[/SUP] Round
Carson Bantle, G, 22, Grad, 5[SUP]th[/SUP] Round
Ryland Mosley, H, 24, Grad, Undrafted
Simon Tassy, H, 23, Jr, Undrafted
Christian Fitzgerald, H, 21, Jr, Undrafted
Tyson Dyck, H, 20, Jr, 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Round
Jack Horbach, G, 22, Jr, Undrafted
Kyle Kukkonen, H, 21, Jr, 6[SUP]th[/SUP] Round
Owen Mehlenbacher, G, 20, Soph, 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Round
Quinn Finley, G, 19, Soph, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] Round
Sawyer Scholl, G, 22, Soph, Undrafted
Ryan Botterill, H, 20, Fr, Undrafted
Gavin Morrissey, H, 21, Fr, Undrafted

I went to the Mankato site to see how many players Hastings usually has on his roster and here’s what I found (last year he had 8 D and 15 F):
22-23 – 8 D, 17 F
21-22 – 9 D, 16 F
20-21 – 8 D, 18 F
19-20 – 9 D, 17 F

If we figure he’s going to try to get to 8 or 9 D and at least 15 Forwards, then he’s still going to try to add 1 or 2 D and 2 or 3 Forwards. I have no idea who he will try to bring in. Hopefully a couple of lads who can score the puck.

I guess my only concern, and I’m not that worried about it, is if he brings in 3 forwards who are 21+ and fit the Hastings-mold, will that scare off Quinn? I doubt it, but he is the only teenage forward on the team and he’s the highest drafted player still on the team. The other two teenage forwards who were high draft picks left in the portal. Quinn staying will be a good early indicator that young, talented forwards can/will play for Hastings.

As far as line combos for next year:
I really liked seeing Horbach, Lindmark, Bantle together, so I hope that is one line combo.
Finley/Fitzgerald/Botterill might be a fun skill line (who would be center?).
Tassy/Mehlenbacher/Scholl might be a good-grind-and-piss-off-the-other-team line.
I don’t really know anything about Mosley/Kukkonen/Morrissey. I didṉt see much out of Dyck last year.

For the Defensemen:
Laatsch – Dexheimer
Palodichuk – Kehrer
Schulz – Hensler
Phelan
I like these first two pairings a lot.

Goalies:
If you take Hastings at his word last year, Gramme and McClellan were neck-and-neck at the beginning of the year and he rode Kyle for the entire season. So I guess if they are close again next year, he will go with the more experienced goalie? Scarfone will be the starter.
 
Dang - Owen Lindmark was a holdover commitment from Eaves?!?

At first I wrote it as an attempt to make a joke about how long he's been at Madison, but then I started wondering if that might be true. According to this Neutral Zone article ( Owen Lindmark Becomes a Badger - Neutral Zone ) it was almost true. He was recruited by Eaves and did his first visit when Eaves was still coach, but ultimately he committed once Granato arrived. Still crazy his involvement with Madison has spanned 3 coaches.
 
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