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Wisconsin Hockey 2024 Offseason

What tune has changed?

seriously. Wisconsin will be just fine without Lucius. I trust Hastings. He could take 26 Wisconsin fans and get wins out of em’.

my reaction to you was essentially “sky is most definitely not falling”. Whitelaw isn’t Dany Heatley. Or Reinprecht or even Zent/Fairchild/Schier/Tuttle/Granato/Pavelski/Stepan…not yet anyway.

and as I recall I also said the players may have been selfish. Which is a different way of saying they don’t want to play a 200 foot game and play a team first game.

your notion Wisconsin can’t retain skill is erroneous. First, Whitelaw and Lucius are Granato’s players and maybe they don’t want to play D. Second, Tassy/Finley>Whitelaw/Lucius imo and time/results will bear that out.

Judging so harshly after one season is kind of crazy imo.

Agree with this. I feel some have forgotten how bad we were in recent years. Big changes need time. This season drastically outpaced my expectations but it is going to take a few years to turn things over. I felt we had periods where we could see the potential of the team this year under Hastings but also the habits years past also were present, especially in the second half. I bought season tickets for the first time this year since 2011 (when I was out of town) and I certainly will not regret that purchase even if we end up a bit worse next year compared to this year.
 
I'm ALMOST finished with college hockey & football. this close.

There's more player movement in college hockey & FB than professional football and hockey. It's now come down to money (the Cash Wagon as Blind Bucky noted) and egos.
Maybe it's time to sign college athletes to fucking contracts?
There was a time when college athletes would stick around to "finish what they started."
Now, they barely start and move on.

You guys have seen me piss and moan about the shortcoming of Badger Hockey for years, and how I have been spending my "fun money" on the NHL since dumping Badger season tickets.
With all this transfer portal shit going on, I decided to continue that way.

Yes I may be older than most of you, and I've been on USCHO for over 20 years.
I'm not 'get off my lawn' guy, and I don't wear white New Balance shoes with Velcro enclosures, but with age comes wisdom, eh?
 
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I saw I think it was Schollsman had the transfers ranked and UW had 3 in the top 20. I believe no one else has more than 3.

These Tech guys play a heavy 2 way game 200 ft game and that is Hastings MO. I think the guys who have left via transfer weren't fitting that bill anyway. The two freshmen F coming in are older players. That fits his program. The goalie they sighed is a stud.

I appreciate the guys who left that they stick around for one year and at least gave Hastings a chance. If they all had stayed he would have made them better potential NHL players. You have to play 200 ft in the NHL. I agree as the season went along some old habits were coming back. I look forward to a UW team molded even better to Hastings' system.
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I saw I think it was Schollsman had the transfers ranked and UW had 3 in the top 20. I believe no one else has more than 3.

These Tech guys play a heavy 2 way game 200 ft game and that is Hastings MO. I think the guys who have left via transfer weren't fitting that bill anyway. The two freshmen F coming in are older players. That fits his program. The goalie they sighed is a stud.

I appreciate the guys who left that they stick around for one year and at least gave Hastings a chance. If they all had stayed he would have made them better potential NHL players. You have to play 200 ft in the NHL. I agree as the season went along some old habits were coming back. I look forward to a UW team molded even better to Hastings' system.
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Agreed. I can’t wait to see a fully loaded Hastings team. It’s going to be so much fun to watch!
 
What tune has changed?

seriously. Wisconsin will be just fine without Lucius. I trust Hastings. He could take 26 Wisconsin fans and get wins out of em’.

my reaction to you was essentially “sky is most definitely not falling”. Whitelaw isn’t Dany Heatley. Or Reinprecht or even Zent/Fairchild/Schier/Tuttle/Granato/Pavelski/Stepan…not yet anyway.

and as I recall I also said the players may have been selfish. Which is a different way of saying they don’t want to play a 200 foot game and play a team first game.

your notion Wisconsin can’t retain skill is erroneous. First, Whitelaw and Lucius are Granato’s players and maybe they don’t want to play D. Second, Tassy/Finley>Whitelaw/Lucius imo and time/results will bear that out.

Judging so harshly after one season is kind of crazy imo.

For a university that should be second to none, this has been extremely disappointing. Will Hastings even be able to pull in a Heatley or Reinprecht or Suter or McDonagh or Caufield?

I hope when Hastings gets his guys they have some level of loyalty to the program. Going through this every year would be awful.

Finley is a Granato recruit. If he transfers, will he be called selfish and non-committal to playing defense too? Seems to be the copy and paste template to describe players that leave...

I just think that some are being too casual about this. Some of our best current players and future best players are leaving after our highest win total since the 2009-10 season. The response to that is "he could take 26 Wisconsin fans and get wins out of em." That's insane hyperbole.
 
Finley is a Granato recruit. If he transfers, will he be called selfish and non-committal to playing defense too? Seems to be the copy and paste template to describe players that leave...

I don't say they are selfish or non-committal to playing defense. Hastings plays a defensive style system and some want to free wheel. Fine, no problem, just move on. I liken it to the UW BB team. Certain players aren't interested in playing that system. The bottom line is winning. If that means less NHL'ers and older freshman, so be it. With all that being said, Hastings is going to have to find some higher end players to round out the team or it's going to be tough to compete night in and night out in the NIL / Portal era of the Big7.

Are you happy or not happy with 26 wins? Or would you prefer to go back to Granato? If not, who is the coach that Mac missed and you wanted that would be better than Hastings? Let's hear it so you can come gloat when Hastings isn't winning enough.
 
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I don't say they are selfish or non-committal to playing defense. Hastings plays a defensive style system and some want to free wheel. Fine, no problem, just move on. I liken it to the UW BB team. Certain players aren't interested in playing that system. The bottom line is winning. If that means less NHL'ers and older freshman, so be it. With all that being said, Hastings is going to have to find some higher end players to round out the team or it's going to be tough to compete night in and night out in the NIL / Portal era of the Big7.

Are you happy or not happy with 26 wins? Or would you prefer to go back to Granato? If not, who is the coach that Mac missed and you wanted that would be better than Hastings? Let's hear a it so you can come gloat when Hastings isn't winning enough.

There's a poster in this forum who knows what Hastings is doing wrong (albeit after one year with 26 wins, an NCAA berth, and apparently with a few guys who were checking out in the last part of the season), so maybe he has the strategy to turn it around and could take over the reigns.
 
I don't say they are selfish or non-committal to playing defense. Hastings plays a defensive style system and some want to free wheel. Fine, no problem, just move on. I liken it to the UW BB team. Certain players aren't interested in playing that system. The bottom line is winning. If that means less NHL'ers and older freshman, so be it. With all that being said, Hastings is going to have to find some higher end players to round out the team or it's going to be tough to compete night in and night out in the NIL / Portal era of the Big7.

Are you happy or not happy with 26 wins? Or would you prefer to go back to Granato? If not, who is the coach that Mac missed and you wanted that would be better than Hastings? Let's hear it so you can come gloat when Hastings isn't winning enough.

You’re not listening to what I’m saying. I have no problems with Hastings as a coach. I would appreciate some level of development from the young players he brings in. Do people not realize that Hastings has a reputation for going after older players because he is either unwilling or unable to develop young players? That’s been his MO for years. It can and has worked, but it’s also limiting.

I’m happy with 26 wins. Which he got with a pretty talented team. That talent has taken a major blow this offseason. He will need to do something major if he doesn’t want a regression year next year.

I’m not calling for Hastings to be fired. I think he needs to prove to Wisconsin fans he can take the team to the next level. Right now, it’s one step backwards. Will he get the two step forwards in due time? How will he replace everything he is losing? That is the concern.

There's a poster in this forum who knows what Hastings is doing wrong (albeit after one year with 26 wins, an NCAA berth, and apparently with a few guys who were checking out in the last part of the season), so maybe he has the strategy to turn it around and could take over the reigns.

You talk like a Minnesotan (indirect passive aggressive).

I wish I could blindly trust that everything is fine and we will magically replace our top 2 and 3 of our top 5 point producers, but that’s not me. Trust is earned. Hastings has to prove it.
 
Maybe, just maybe he recruited to that way at Mankato because he couldn't compete head to head with the big boys for the big time talent so he got the best talent he could. BTW, that 'pretty talented team' (minus the transfer Hastings brought in) was absolutely abysmal the year before. They were Tony's recruits that came to Wisconsin to play his style. Mike isn't playing that style so they want to move on. Surprisingly they didn't leave when Tony was fired. If they had left then we all would have understood and likely would have been happy to have the guys he's getting now to replace them. With his overall record of success, he's earn more than 1 month of grace to turn this around.

Regardless of your level of trust or your opinion of his abilities to recruit or develop players, Mike Hastings is likely to be the coach of the Badgers for as long as he wants to coach given he's never had a losing season. If his philosophy on this fails, he will fail. To date he has not and saying you think he will is pointless. Let's let your prediction occur before we claim he has failed. And yes, we might go backwards next year and then you can tell us you were correct.
 
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Maybe, just maybe he recruited to that way at Mankato because he couldn't compete head to head with the big boys for the big time talent so he got the best talent he could. BTW, that 'pretty talented team' (minus the transfer Hastings brought in) was absolutely abysmal the year before. They were Tony's recruits that came to Wisconsin to play his style. Mike isn't playing that style so they want to move on. Surprisingly they didn't leave when Tony was fired. If they had left then we all would have understood and likely would have been happy to have the guys he's getting now to replace them. With his overall record of success, he's earn more than 1 month of grace to turn this around.

Regardless of your level of trust or your opinion of his abilities to recruit or develop players, Mike Hastings is likely to be the coach of the Badgers for as long as he wants to coach given he's never had a losing season. If his philosophy on this fails, he will fail. To date he has not and saying you think he will is pointless. Let's let your prediction occur before we claim he has failed. And yes, we might go backwards next year and then you can tell us you were correct.
That’s exactly my point! Why didn’t they leave last offseason? Why are they leaving *now*? Why isn’t he targeting bigger fish in recruiting?

How you continually show an inability to comprehend what I’m saying is truly outstanding. I didn’t say he was failing and I don’t expect him to fail. But I want fixes to the problem or at least a path towards the fixes. Preferably more than 1 year players.
 
I have no idea why they didn't leave last year. Perhaps because they saw their new coach's track record but didn't understand all that that success demands. When they found out, they decided to move on. Plausible, but only they know the truth.

Does he tell you who is recruiting? How do you know he hasn't targeted 'bigger fish'? Most of these big fish are targets for major programs (read not Mankato) from their mid teens. At that time Mankato was not on their radar. Now, with UW's cred he can start to develop areas not available to him, but this will take a couple of years as many of these guys are multi-year projects.

As far as these problems, just don't seem them. If one year guy thing goes on for years then it's likely a problem. I don't recall that being his MO at Mankato. It seems to me it was a strong mix of players coming to his program in the 20-22 span of ages. If they stay 3+ years is that a problem? Because some blue chip program did sweep them up when they were 17 they aren't worthy of wearing cardinal and white after maturing somewhere else? Beyond goofer fans deriding him for his roster, has anyone here heard an NHL level scout or executive criticize Hastings for his inability to develop. I'm not that connected in that way, but I've heard no such talk.
 
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Good discussion on the Badger’s offseason so far. From my perspective, Hastings is a great coach who over-achieved in his first year at Madison AND these past few weeks have been concerning.

I hope Hastings can win multiple national championships here and I don’t care if he does that with older, four-year players (the model he seemed to follow in Mankato) or by a hybrid-style of team building that mixes in some elite talent (that he maybe couldn’t get at Mankato, but can get at Madison due to the increased resources) with his typical older players.

My concern is that his “Mankato-model” might not work in the B10 in 2024 and beyond. With the transfer portal, NIL, and the continuing trend of elite prospects increasingly playing college hockey, it seems to me that resource-rich schools (like every school in the B10) will be increasingly able to stock their rosters year-after-year (by using NIL for 1[SUP]st[/SUP] round talent and then filling any gaps by poaching players from lesser-resourced schools in the portal). Will a team of 24-year-old undrafted players (or late round draft picks) be able to compete night-after-night with the Michigans, Minnesotas, and now Michigan States, as these teams get even more talented? I’m worried that we can’t.

However, I’m hopeful that Hastings can build a hybrid team that gives us the best-of-both-worlds. A core of older players committed to the program for 4 or 5 years, mixed with some high-level talent. My dream scenario would be Mankato’s 21-22 team that crushed Minnesota in the Frozen Four and had Dryden McKay in net, but swap out 4 or 5 of the weaker players on that team and add 20-21 versions of Cole C, Dylan H, Linus, and K’Andre (circa 19-20; I’m assuming he would have been much better defensively in Hastings system). Unstoppable, right?

My concern with this hybrid model is that Hastings does not have a track record of recruiting Coles and Dylans, and the fact that so many of this year’s elite players decided to leave, despite having spent an entire season with him, is something that I think a reasonable person can be at least a little bit worried about. I totally get that he didn’t recruit Willie, Cruz, or Charlie, and there is a big difference between the type of hockey that Granato sold to these guys and type of hockey Hastings is now requiring, but … Hastings couldn’t win them over. If Hastings is only able to recruit players who are ready to play a 200 foot game on day one, then can he recruit 17-year-old Cole Caufields or other elite, young offensive players? Seems to me those guys sometimes (usually) don’t want to play both ways, so can he get them to come to WI?

Having said all that, I do believe in Hastings and I think it is way too soon to panic. However, I do think it’s worth watching whether or not he can recruit/retain high-end offensive talent.
 
That’s exactly my point! Why didn’t they leave last offseason? Why are they leaving *now*? Why isn’t he targeting bigger fish in recruiting?

How you continually show an inability to comprehend what I’m saying is truly outstanding. I didn’t say he was failing and I don’t expect him to fail. But I want fixes to the problem or at least a path towards the fixes. Preferably more than 1 year players.

I think you are running into trouble because you claim there is a problem (there likely isn't) without any evidence besides your feelings, and then want fixes.

I am not sure how long you have been a fan, but the last decade plus has been truly bad and an anomaly for Wisconsin hockey.

However this last year compared to prior:
1. I felt we could actually win close games
2. We showed the ability to come back when down, instead of fold up and lose by 5
3. We had glimpses of a better system and success when that system was implemented
4. We made the NCAAs and did not embarrass ourselves as we did the last 3 times we were there

I agree with srkbadger, I would not call this team "pretty talented." We had essentially the same talent as last year, but performed much better. This is coaching.

Also agree with MCR that the portal, as of right now, is terrible.
 
I have no idea why they didn't leave last year. Perhaps because they saw their new coach's track record but didn't understand all that that success demands. When they found out, they decided to move on. Plausible, but only they know the truth.

Does he tell you who is recruiting? How do you know he hasn't targeted 'bigger fish'? Most of these big fish are targets for major programs (read not Mankato) from their mid teens. At that time Mankato was not on their radar. Now, with UW's cred he can start to develop areas not available to him, but this will take a couple of years as many of these guys are multi-year projects.

As far as these problems, just don't seem them. If one year guy thing goes on for years then it's likely a problem. I don't recall that being his MO at Mankato. It seems to me it was a strong mix of players coming to his program in the 20-22 span of ages. If they stay 3+ years is that a problem? Because some blue chip program did sweep them up when they were 17 they aren't worthy of wearing cardinal and white after maturing somewhere else? Beyond goofer fans deriding him for his roster, has anyone here heard an NHL level scout or executive criticize Hastings for his inability to develop. I'm not that connected in that way, but I've heard no such talk.

That’s because the newest iteration of the transfer portal is barely three years old and players are just now starting to use it in droves. In a crazy world, this would be perfect for a guy like Mike Eaves whom could never break the four year cycle.

I have no problem with 20-22 year old freshmen. My favorite player (Palodichuk) was just a 20/21 year old freshman this past season. (Please don’t leave Palodichuk!)

I would wager a decent amount that the Minnesota Wild brass is not happy with Stramel’s deployment and they probably played a huge part in him leaving the team. Michael Russo has been sounding that horn for a while (not a gopher guy).

Maybe we should all put out what our expectations are for the rest of the offseason and next season.
 
I have no idea why they didn't leave last year. Perhaps because they saw their new coach's track record but didn't understand all that that success demands. When they found out, they decided to move on. Plausible, but only they know the truth.

Does he tell you who is recruiting? How do you know he hasn't targeted 'bigger fish'? Most of these big fish are targets for major programs (read not Mankato) from their mid teens. At that time Mankato was not on their radar. Now, with UW's cred he can start to develop areas not available to him, but this will take a couple of years as many of these guys are multi-year projects.

As far as these problems, just don't seem them. If one year guy thing goes on for years then it's likely a problem. I don't recall that being his MO at Mankato. It seems to me it was a strong mix of players coming to his program in the 20-22 span of ages. If they stay 3+ years is that a problem? Because some blue chip program did sweep them up when they were 17 they aren't worthy of wearing cardinal and white after maturing somewhere else? Beyond goofer fans deriding him for his roster, has anyone here heard an NHL level scout or executive criticize Hastings for his inability to develop. I'm not that connected in that way, but I've heard no such talk.

That’s because the newest iteration of the transfer portal is barely three years old and players are just now starting to use it in droves. In a crazy world, this would be perfect for a guy like Mike Eaves whom could never break the four year cycle.

I have no problem with 20-22 year old freshmen. My favorite player (Palodichuk) was just a 20/21 year old freshman this past season. (Please don’t leave Palodichuk!)

I would wager a decent amount that the Minnesota Wild brass is not happy with Stramel’s deployment and they probably played a huge part in him leaving the team. Michael Russo has been sounding that horn for a while (not a gopher guy).

Maybe we should all put out what our expectations are for the rest of the offseason and next season. It would be interesting to hear other’s opinions.
 
I would wager a decent amount that the Minnesota Wild brass is not happy with Stramel’s deployment and they probably played a huge part in him leaving the team. Michael Russo has been sounding that horn for a while (not a gopher guy).

How much of this is Granato, how is Hastings, and how much is Stramel himself?
 
C’mon. Hastings recruited at Mankato, A. Players that would fit his system and B. As noted Mankato will never outrecruit the rodents in Minnesota or Wisconsin or Michigan so he made 2 frozen fours in his final year with true lunch pail guys.

i’m not concerned about recruiting. He’ll get 80% or better of the guys he wants.

this is all one guy overreacting about Whitelaw and Lucius. 2 players who very obviously did NOT want to play a 200 foot game. They won’t make the NHL because of that btw.

As we all know Granato and Osiecki recruited lIke 4 years worth of players so Hastings has to evaluate IF these kids will fit or not. And IF not, he has to recruit other guys while maintaining tact so people don’t use that against “hey, Tony promised me a spot but Mike dropped me!”


Lucius and a Whitelaw left either because of $, not wanting to play 200 feet games or in Whitelaw’s case possibly following his friend. Either way. Nothing to worry about IMO
 
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Honestly, I was a little disappointed (and completely baffled) with Hastings based on his inability to right the ship down the stretch. It did put a little doubt in my mind about him. Little did I know that in all likelihood these guys had half a step out the door and began half-assing it. I don't know Hastings beyond his pressers and in-game bench demeanor. I haven't heard any bad press from Mankato or his past players, so I find it hard that he was completely unfair to these guys and made their continued presence on the team impossible. I'm willing to accept that the fit just wasn't right. I not willing to accept the effort those guys gave down the stretch when they likely had already decided they were going to leave.
 
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