Granato should put Donovan in for one of these defensemen. Show the "NHL Draft Pick Blue Line Club" that they cant coast around and make mental mistakes and still expect to play.
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Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
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Granato should put Donovan in for one of these defensemen. Show the "NHL Draft Pick Blue Line Club" that they cant coast around and make mental mistakes and still expect to play.
Wisko McBadgerton
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
As long as they are committed to keeping PP and PK separate, which Tony seems pretty set on, probably not going to see Lindy in the top six.
As long as they are committed to keeping PP and PK separate, which Tony seems pretty set on, probably not going to see Lindy in the top six.
I get that. Lindmark has alot more offensive potential than what was advertised coming in.
digitalbooya
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Team is playing pretty sloppy in the d-zone. I don’t think Miller knows where he is supposed to be position wise.
Wisko McBadgerton
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
Better put a dollar or two on the tv boys, we need to buy a goal!
Better put a dollar or two on the tv boys, we need to buy a goal!
Wisko McBadgerton
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
I have WIBA on iheart and then you just have to get it synched up as the radio is a little delayed. It's working out fine once you get it together. So dumb that there's no audio. Not even a hot mike in the KC.
On the bright side, we bought a couple goals. I'm going to try and buy a couple more!
I have WIBA on iheart and then you just have to get it synched up as the radio is a little delayed. It's working out fine once you get it together. So dumb that there's no audio. Not even a hot mike in the KC.
On the bright side, we bought a couple goals. I'm going to try and buy a couple more!
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
Long way off yet but that could be a real difference making goal come March. Man, what a finish!
It wasn't pretty, but the boys battled and got a big Win. Good thing it didn't go to OT because the Badgers just looked gassed late in this game. It's not surprising really, it was a heck of a hard, physical game with a lot of pace, and when you are constantly fighting for pucks with guys 20-30-40 pounds heavier than you, it can really take a toll over time.
Stick taps to the Clarkies, that is one hard to play against team and I have to believe they're going to win a bunch of games the rest of the way.
Much room to grow for the young Badgers, and lots to learn, but they are off to a pretty good start to the year.
Long way off yet but that could be a real difference making goal come March. Man, what a finish!
It wasn't pretty, but the boys battled and got a big Win. Good thing it didn't go to OT because the Badgers just looked gassed late in this game. It's not surprising really, it was a heck of a hard, physical game with a lot of pace, and when you are constantly fighting for pucks with guys 20-30-40 pounds heavier than you, it can really take a toll over time.
Stick taps to the Clarkies, that is one hard to play against team and I have to believe they're going to win a bunch of games the rest of the way.
Much room to grow for the young Badgers, and lots to learn, but they are off to a pretty good start to the year.
digitalbooya
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Lindmark was clutch!!!
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
It was a nice series, you honored the 4 year arrangement to travel to the middle of nowhere twice so I respect Wisconsin a lot. Minnesota backed right out of our agreement. Our older team is very structured but I’m proud to say for the most part we play a clean hard game, if I were a Wisconsin fan I’d think our young team really grew over the weekend. Your whole defensive group struggled in their own end against Brosseau - Dunne - Egle all weekend and on Saturday especially Lebedeff bailed you out against that line especially. I know most of you don’t follow the ECAC but you guys or maybe Cornell were the toughest remaining games on our schedule, we should steamroll through the ECAC and even our non conference series against Arizona State, Michigan Tech, and SLU so we should be a top 10 Pairwise team, I guess a bubble team at our worst so that split shouldn’t hurt at all. Good luck the rest of the season and maybe we will meet again.
It was a nice series, you honored the 4 year arrangement to travel to the middle of nowhere twice so I respect Wisconsin a lot. Minnesota backed right out of our agreement. Our older team is very structured but I’m proud to say for the most part we play a clean hard game, if I were a Wisconsin fan I’d think our young team really grew over the weekend. Your whole defensive group struggled in their own end against Brosseau - Dunne - Egle all weekend and on Saturday especially Lebedeff bailed you out against that line especially. I know most of you don’t follow the ECAC but you guys or maybe Cornell were the toughest remaining games on our schedule, we should steamroll through the ECAC and even our non conference series against Arizona State, Michigan Tech, and SLU so we should be a top 10 Pairwise team, I guess a bubble team at our worst so that split shouldn’t hurt at all. Good luck the rest of the season and maybe we will meet again.
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I loved seeing the power play get clicking again, even if goals didn't come. When they set up and start shifting around the blue line, it's the same thing they did before this weekend, and they looked great doing it. As soon as they found an opening to attack on Friday, Clarkson seemed to be all over whoever the first receiver was (or the rebound if the first move was a long shot). Even when it was still 0-0, it was refreshing to see them creating chances again like we know they can.
That was a wild one, even with a bunch of people leaving early to avoid the end-of-the-game drama!
Now I'm going to get on my soapbox for a "for all you kids/players/coaches/fans-who-repeat-a-cliche-that-sounds-reasonable-until-you-think-about-it out there" message:
I watched the game-winning-goal again, and I made sure to save and bookmark it for any time someone's confused about how to defend a 2-on-1. The thing where you let the goalie "take the shooter" and the one defender "takes the pass" is ridiculous, and always has been. In those situations, one of the most effective ways to "take the pass" is by proactively pressuring the puck carrier. You still have to be extra sure not to over-commit and fly through to the outside, but it's a heck of a lot easier to defend a pass there than right in the middle of the potential passing line, with two guys on opposite sides of you, where a slight speed change drastically changes that line between the two players.
I mean, look at it! (link) The Clarkson player is clearly 100% focused on defending a crossing pass on the back end rather than the point of attack. This opens up space for Ahcan to have a breakaway and make a move that you can only make with a clear path to the goal. Even though he doesn't score, it's a lot harder for the goalie to deal with, and suddenly there's a loose puck for Lindmark to get to.
It's not like there's some magical 2-on-1 superpowers that set in that allow a player being actively checked to make exactly the pass they want to a guy on the other side of a defender who is right in their face. However, that's the "logic" of the "you take the shooter, and I'll take the pass" cliche. It assumes that by proactively pressuring the puck carrier, you will absolutely (or probably) will allow a clean crossing pass to the other attacker, and you must therefore not do so....and that forgets the obvious part where you're still defending the pass if you take the puck carrier. In fact, if you're not going to go after the puck carrier, the next easiest place to defend the pass (even in a hypothetical situation where you literally only care about defending the pass) is to be right on the potential pass receiver. Anything right in the middle (as opposed to being right on either the puck carrier or receiver) is so much harder to defend. And if you take the option of going over to the potential receiver, you truly are giving the other team a breakaway.
And if you tuned out after the third sentence for "never played the game at a high enough level to say anything about things you see" reasons, ask Justin Bourne (link).
I loved seeing the power play get clicking again, even if goals didn't come. When they set up and start shifting around the blue line, it's the same thing they did before this weekend, and they looked great doing it. As soon as they found an opening to attack on Friday, Clarkson seemed to be all over whoever the first receiver was (or the rebound if the first move was a long shot). Even when it was still 0-0, it was refreshing to see them creating chances again like we know they can.
That was a wild one, even with a bunch of people leaving early to avoid the end-of-the-game drama!
Now I'm going to get on my soapbox for a "for all you kids/players/coaches/fans-who-repeat-a-cliche-that-sounds-reasonable-until-you-think-about-it out there" message:
I watched the game-winning-goal again, and I made sure to save and bookmark it for any time someone's confused about how to defend a 2-on-1. The thing where you let the goalie "take the shooter" and the one defender "takes the pass" is ridiculous, and always has been. In those situations, one of the most effective ways to "take the pass" is by proactively pressuring the puck carrier. You still have to be extra sure not to over-commit and fly through to the outside, but it's a heck of a lot easier to defend a pass there than right in the middle of the potential passing line, with two guys on opposite sides of you, where a slight speed change drastically changes that line between the two players.
I mean, look at it! (link) The Clarkson player is clearly 100% focused on defending a crossing pass on the back end rather than the point of attack. This opens up space for Ahcan to have a breakaway and make a move that you can only make with a clear path to the goal. Even though he doesn't score, it's a lot harder for the goalie to deal with, and suddenly there's a loose puck for Lindmark to get to.
It's not like there's some magical 2-on-1 superpowers that set in that allow a player being actively checked to make exactly the pass they want to a guy on the other side of a defender who is right in their face. However, that's the "logic" of the "you take the shooter, and I'll take the pass" cliche. It assumes that by proactively pressuring the puck carrier, you will absolutely (or probably) will allow a clean crossing pass to the other attacker, and you must therefore not do so....and that forgets the obvious part where you're still defending the pass if you take the puck carrier. In fact, if you're not going to go after the puck carrier, the next easiest place to defend the pass (even in a hypothetical situation where you literally only care about defending the pass) is to be right on the potential pass receiver. Anything right in the middle (as opposed to being right on either the puck carrier or receiver) is so much harder to defend. And if you take the option of going over to the potential receiver, you truly are giving the other team a breakaway.
And if you tuned out after the third sentence for "never played the game at a high enough level to say anything about things you see" reasons, ask Justin Bourne (link).
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
You can argue it, but I've never believed the D should take the pass. Always think the D should close on the puck carrier as early as possible and try to separate him from the puck. Force them to do more things at a speed that's less comfortable for them to beat you, i.e. pass, catch, shoot. (Of course the goalie should know you are going to be taking the puck.) Make them beat you and then also beat your goalie to score.
Best D I've ever seen play at UW never played half way or the pass, they dictate the play and force the puck carrier to an action. I think Emberson is one of the better D in the country on a rush and I don't think I've ever seen him play the pass, he closes quick to plant the puck carrier or take the puck away.
You can argue it, but I've never believed the D should take the pass. Always think the D should close on the puck carrier as early as possible and try to separate him from the puck. Force them to do more things at a speed that's less comfortable for them to beat you, i.e. pass, catch, shoot. (Of course the goalie should know you are going to be taking the puck.) Make them beat you and then also beat your goalie to score.
Best D I've ever seen play at UW never played half way or the pass, they dictate the play and force the puck carrier to an action. I think Emberson is one of the better D in the country on a rush and I don't think I've ever seen him play the pass, he closes quick to plant the puck carrier or take the puck away.
And I would argue that that is taking the pass, just more effectively.
When I was watching the play live, my only thoughts were "ahhh! A chance! Bllaaahhhh! Aww-AAUHHFHGHGOOOAAALLL!!" (I also saw it from the side, so I didn't see quite how much the D-man backed off laterally. But even head on, I wouldn't have been thinking of that in that moment!)
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
Ask the goalie what they want and do that.
I always want my D to take the pass, it forces the shooter to stay to the one side and it allows me to focus on one angle on the side. If they force the player skating with the puck to pass and it gets through them, then you typically have a 1-0 where the goalie is at a massive disadvantage. Just my personal thoughts on the matter.
Ask the goalie what they want and do that.
I always want my D to take the pass, it forces the shooter to stay to the one side and it allows me to focus on one angle on the side. If they force the player skating with the puck to pass and it gets through them, then you typically have a 1-0 where the goalie is at a massive disadvantage. Just my personal thoughts on the matter.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
Of course the goalie wants it to be easiest for the goalie!
I just don't think it's completely logical. To start with, playing the pass is going to result in a SOG nearly 100% of the time. Presumably at least some percentage of the time playing the carrier is going to result in no SOG. So SOG's are reduced one way and not the other. (btw- all this with the caveat that it may not apply to all NHL situations, if for example Crosby is coming in 2-1 with the puck you're probably screwed no matter what you do. Kick the net off is probably best) But anyway, what I want to do is always make it harder on them, as opposed to just easier on us. Pressure the puck and the carrier either loses it, or attempts to shoot or pass. Perfect shot beats you either way but it's harder to make with a D all over the shooter. So the carrier has to make a good pass, and as DC points out, on top of the carrier is probably the best place to be to contest the pass anyway. In any case, pass or shoot is one thing they have to do. Make them do 3 things, and on your schedule not theirs. Pass, Catch, and then Shoot to beat the goalie who should be pretty darn sure the shot is coming from the pass receiver as soon as things start to develop. Odds of 3 consecutive actions going perfectly are just greater than one action going perfectly so that's the way I'm going to be betting.
Thinking about this reminds me of a play The Hammer made when a pass came through the crease to the back door in the 3rd. He got his stick in there and deflected the puck to the wall. Awesome play that, to me, you just don't see enough goalies try to make there.
Of course the goalie wants it to be easiest for the goalie!
I just don't think it's completely logical. To start with, playing the pass is going to result in a SOG nearly 100% of the time. Presumably at least some percentage of the time playing the carrier is going to result in no SOG. So SOG's are reduced one way and not the other. (btw- all this with the caveat that it may not apply to all NHL situations, if for example Crosby is coming in 2-1 with the puck you're probably screwed no matter what you do. Kick the net off is probably best) But anyway, what I want to do is always make it harder on them, as opposed to just easier on us. Pressure the puck and the carrier either loses it, or attempts to shoot or pass. Perfect shot beats you either way but it's harder to make with a D all over the shooter. So the carrier has to make a good pass, and as DC points out, on top of the carrier is probably the best place to be to contest the pass anyway. In any case, pass or shoot is one thing they have to do. Make them do 3 things, and on your schedule not theirs. Pass, Catch, and then Shoot to beat the goalie who should be pretty darn sure the shot is coming from the pass receiver as soon as things start to develop. Odds of 3 consecutive actions going perfectly are just greater than one action going perfectly so that's the way I'm going to be betting.
Thinking about this reminds me of a play The Hammer made when a pass came through the crease to the back door in the 3rd. He got his stick in there and deflected the puck to the wall. Awesome play that, to me, you just don't see enough goalies try to make there.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
Thanks for the feedback. This is the kind of thing that makes college hockey fans the best in sport. I went Friday. Impressive win for your boys. I see all the teams that come in and on TV. Your coaching staff does a great job teaching the game.
Thanks for the feedback. This is the kind of thing that makes college hockey fans the best in sport. I went Friday. Impressive win for your boys. I see all the teams that come in and on TV. Your coaching staff does a great job teaching the game.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
I know we all love the old days and the WCHA rivalries and all that jazz.... but I got to tell you fellas, I have come to hate PSU as much or more than anybody else ever.
And some of these guys on their roster - Folkes, Biro, Smirnov, Sucese, that freakin' giant Pavlychev... what are these pheasants? Like 34 years old now? God, I hate this bunch of Sallys.
I know we all love the old days and the WCHA rivalries and all that jazz.... but I got to tell you fellas, I have come to hate PSU as much or more than anybody else ever.
And some of these guys on their roster - Folkes, Biro, Smirnov, Sucese, that freakin' giant Pavlychev... what are these pheasants? Like 34 years old now? God, I hate this bunch of Sallys.
digitalbooya
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
Woah woah woah, slow down before you say something you will regret.
Woah woah woah, slow down before you say something you will regret.
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