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Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War

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BC fan checking in here. Is the general consensus with Wisco people they want to move on from Granato or want to give him more time? I know Eaves got a little stale but curious to hear a current mindset with Granato.

Have seen a lot of BU fans already clamoring for a firing and didn’t know what the consensus was with Wisco people who’ve given it more time than them
 
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There’s no consensus here (hence the thread title).

But I don’t think there’s any question that we’ve never seen a four year stretch of someone doing less with more than we’ve seen since Granato took the helm.

Eaves final 4 years were worse overall from a win% standpoint, but at least he got to the NCAAs in that timespan.
 
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I think the ****tiness of the defense behind him (and, yes, the anemic nature of his own two-way play that’s only improved slightly) hurts our view of Caufield.

He’s definitely the most offensively gifted first rounder we’ve had since Heatley, and it shows in his numbers (granted, he also has more of a high profile role than most other blue-chippers, and his numbers are boosted by that weird Merrimack game, but still…)

Freshman numbers from the other first round forwards (all but one played two seasons)

Caufield: 19G, 36pts (34 GP so far)
Turcotte: 9G, 26pts (27 GP so far)
Kunin: 19G, 32pts (35 GP)
Frederic: 15G, 33pts (30 GP)
Kerdiles: 11G, 33pts (32 GP) (actually a 2nd rounder)
Turris: 11G, 35pts (36 GP)
Skille: 13 G, 21pts (41 GP)
Heatley: 28G, 56pts (38 GP)
 
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Caufield staying gives your coach at least one more season guaranteed
 
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Well congrats on you wins and ruining our weekend. I just hope we can return the favor next weekend! ;)
 
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I was one of the last give TG more time guys....a little winning streak at the time of the year when the streak is meaningless doesn't change the long term prognosis. TG could not get these guys to play when it counted. The team WOEFULLY underperformed until 3 weeks ago. All of a sudden he knows what he is doing? No, it's over. Imagine a fresh start next year with all these guys coming back, plus 4 impactful freshmen that parks the current 4th line. A new outlook could even get Miller to play better, and when they hire a goalie coach, the Hammer plus the new guys could do something really good. If this was an NHL team, TG gets fired midseason. The truth is the odds of changes being made practically went to zero now unless TG objectively looks at things and decides to shake up the staff by getting a goalie coach and making other changes no matter how this ends. The talent on this roster is single digit loss column talent. Is TG the guy to get them there? I vote no. I'm not happy or proud of it, but the facts are the facts.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I think the ****tiness of the defense behind him (and, yes, the anemic nature of his own two-way play that’s only improved slightly) hurts our view of Caufield.

He’s definitely the most offensively gifted first rounder we’ve had since Heatley, and it shows in his numbers (granted, he also has more of a high profile role than most other blue-chippers, and his numbers are boosted by that weird Merrimack game, but still…)

Freshman numbers from the other first round forwards (all but one played two seasons)

Caufield: 19G, 36pts (34 GP so far)
Turcotte: 9G, 26pts (27 GP so far)
Kunin: 19G, 32pts (35 GP)
Frederic: 15G, 33pts (30 GP)
Kerdiles: 11G, 33pts (32 GP) (actually a 2nd rounder)
Turris: 11G, 35pts (36 GP)
Skille: 13 G, 21pts (41 GP)
Heatley: 28G, 56pts (38 GP)
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There is no doubt he is gifted offensively. I just question his effort away from the puck.

Turcotte has really looked good since returning from injury.
 
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WiscTJK said:
RECORD AFTER SWEEPING ASU:

Record: 13-18-1 (6-15-1-1 - 20pts, 7th in Big7) (n/c)
GF/GA: 104/119
USCHO Poll: NR (n/c)
USA Today Poll: NR (n/c)
PWR: 33 (+4)
RPI: 33 (+4)
KRACH: 22 (+8)
Scoring: 3.25 GPG; T12th (+8)
Defense: 3.72 GAPG; 57th (n/c)
Power Play Goals: 23; T26th (+4)
Power Play Rate: 20.18% (23 of 114); 22nd (n/c)
Penalty Kill Rate: 77.39% (89 of 115), 50th (-3)
Penalty Min per Game: 12.53; 15th (1st is worst) (+1)
Shorthanded Goals Scored; 4; T9th (-1)
Shorthanded Goals Allowed: 2; T31st (1st is worst) (+1)
Team Faceoff: 48.0%; 47th (-4)
Shots Allowed: 1035; 52nd (+1)
Save %: .885; 54th (n/c)
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RECORD AFTER WIN / TIE-OT WIN VS OSU:

Record: 14-18-2 (7-15-2-2 - 25pts, 7th in Big7) (n/c)
GF/GA: 110/124
USCHO Poll: NR (n/c)
USA Today Poll: NR (n/c)
PWR: 28 (+5)
RPI: 28 (+5)
KRACH: 20 (+2)
Scoring: 3.24 GPG; T13th (-1)
Defense: 3.65 GAPG; 58th (-1)
Power Play Goals: 25; T25th (+1)
Power Play Rate: 21.01% (25 of 119); 19th (+3)
Penalty Kill Rate: 77.12% (91 of 118), 51st (-1)
Penalty Min per Game: 12.15; 20th (1st is worst) (+5)
Shorthanded Goals Scored; 4; T10th (-1)
Shorthanded Goals Allowed: 2; T31st (1st is worst) (n/c)
Team Faceoff: 48.3%; T45th (+2)
Shots Allowed: 1097; 52nd (n/c)
Save %: .887; 53rd (+1)

Let me know if you see any errors.
 
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WiscTJK said:
lol..... who’s goalies are these? The defense turns it over and gives up odd man rushes all day.

Maybe they need to change their recruiting or strategy because this isn’t working. Look at Mankato. Since Hastings took over not one season under .500 after taking over a team that had like 7 seasons prior under .500.
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Not impressed with Mankato in the cake walk WCHA. Measure them in the NCAA where there lose early and often. No argument there.
 
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Yes, Miller has a great shot but does not use it enough. He should be a forward.
 
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wjefwhite said:
Not impressed with Mankato in the cake walk WCHA. Measure them in the NCAA where there lose early and often. No argument there.
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Not impressed with the #2 pairwise, overall 29-5-2 while sweeping ASU, sweeping UMD, and 1-0-1 vs UND?

He's 212-85-23 .698 in 8 years at Mankato.
 
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Good for the Purple Land Cows and their coach.

Nice numbers in season. Where are the Nattys? Frozen 4's?
 
wjefwhite said:
He should have stayed a forward. He lacks the physical side of the game. Suter or McDonah, that's physical.
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I’ll disagree with this slightly. He’s good at using his body to protect the puck when he’s pressured by a forecheck.

It’s the terrible passing choices he makes afterwards and the general disregard for helping his goalie out when he doesn’t have the puck that drives me up the wall with him.
 
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