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Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
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MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
Bart Starr is still one of my top 2 or 3 Packers. Wasn't a good coach.
Bart Starr is still one of my top 2 or 3 Packers. Wasn't a good coach.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
It would cost UW around $2.5 million for his remaining 4 years after the end of this season.
It would cost UW around $2.5 million for his remaining 4 years after the end of this season.
solovsfett
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! Exactly. This is tough to watch and as negative as i’ve Been (I want winners!!!) i’m Incredibly saddened by this turn of events because I really wanted Tony to succeed and be here for 20 years.Ugh...
I bought into the deal that he hadn't gotten his first true recruiting class in yet until this year. And that was the reason. Which is blinders on B.S. Its Tony Granato man. I figured we'd be in at least a final 4 by now.
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Alvarez is in an interesting position. The basketball program isn't relevant anymore nationally. Hockey team is below being relevant.
What's he gonna do? Be a wimp or actually make some changes? I'd lean toward he keeps both guys. But the kohl is empty for hockey. And I've seen empty seats at bbal. Gard wasn't his choice, but Granato was.
I expect him to keep them both. But if he were to fire one of them I'd lean toward Gard as weird as it sounds record wise.
Alvarez is in an interesting position. The basketball program isn't relevant anymore nationally. Hockey team is below being relevant.
What's he gonna do? Be a wimp or actually make some changes? I'd lean toward he keeps both guys. But the kohl is empty for hockey. And I've seen empty seats at bbal. Gard wasn't his choice, but Granato was.
I expect him to keep them both. But if he were to fire one of them I'd lean toward Gard as weird as it sounds record wise.
solovsfett
Registered User
How was Gard BA’s choice? He could have named him interim coach and opened up a search at the end of the season when Ryan pulled a Dick Bennett.
I said "Gard wasn't his choice, but Granato was."
"His" is Alvarez.
Alvarez didn't have to keep him.... but he kinda had to give him at least a year based on Bo essentially vouching for him. And the fan support. On Gards first game they gave him a standing ovation. And then he turned the season around and made the tourney.
Anyway. Wisco should be better with both programs. Alvarez is in charge of the department so it reflects on him if they suck. Hes a winner so maybe he'll do something about it. Like I said it's an interesting situation.
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Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
Even a blind rodent gets a dried up corn kernel once and a while. I don't like coaches who play mind games with goalies.
Worked for MN tonight.
Even a blind rodent gets a dried up corn kernel once and a while. I don't like coaches who play mind games with goalies.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
Post game, tBob said Laffy was skitterish with his feet and fighting the puck a little too much, that's why he pulled him.
Post game, tBob said Laffy was skitterish with his feet and fighting the puck a little too much, that's why he pulled him.
digitalbooya
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Sure hope this wasn’t directed at me. I was one of the first people to question this coaching staff while the majority were still in the honeymoon phase.
srkbadger
Trek: There is no substitute
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
Do they even practice defensive hockey? They are just terrible 2/3 of the way through the season. The Gophers aren’t world beaters, but they’re coming around. How can this be, they’re young?
BTW, our imminent pro who will see ice in the NHL had 2 shots on goal against the maroon and gold defensive wall of doom. Imagine going against the big boys in the pros.
I really thought Tony would turn things around, but this isn’t working. This team has enough talent, and should not be in last place. They continue to make the same mistakes. I would expect noticeable improvement by now. At best they’re treading water, and the staff has to take responsibility.
Do they even practice defensive hockey? They are just terrible 2/3 of the way through the season. The Gophers aren’t world beaters, but they’re coming around. How can this be, they’re young?
BTW, our imminent pro who will see ice in the NHL had 2 shots on goal against the maroon and gold defensive wall of doom. Imagine going against the big boys in the pros.I really thought Tony would turn things around, but this isn’t working. This team has enough talent, and should not be in last place. They continue to make the same mistakes. I would expect noticeable improvement by now. At best they’re treading water, and the staff has to take responsibility.
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sunprairie
Badger Backer
I know the coaches are ultimately responsible for getting the team to perform, and I hate the “young team” excuse as much as anyone. But this from Tarek Baker in Todd Milewski’s game story today is pretty telling - and has to make the locker room pretty uncomfortable (as it should be). I hope Baker, Dhooge and Kalynuk are saying this directly to the players they feel aren’t carrying their weight and aren’t buying into the game plan. I listened to the Badger podcast with Granato this week and he said all the right things about the need for a team to be a team - no one should be playing above the name on the front of the sweater - things he learned from Badger Bob. In the NHL you go after the best players, in college you have to go after the right players, and I think we are learning that three first round draft picks look really good on paper, but don’t necessarily translate into a team that can build into a cohesive unit year over year.
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“It’s been how many games now, and we know exactly what bit us in the end,” Baker said. “It’s silly mistakes that we keep making that keep biting us. Until we figure out how to play consistently for 60 minutes and guys stay on the team’s page instead of staying on their own, we might be coming out with these same results. It’s not good enough to just play on your skill. So until we have full buy-in from all 27 guys, nothing’s going to change.”
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“It’s been how many games now, and we know exactly what bit us in the end,” Baker said. “It’s silly mistakes that we keep making that keep biting us. Until we figure out how to play consistently for 60 minutes and guys stay on the team’s page instead of staying on their own, we might be coming out with these same results. It’s not good enough to just play on your skill. So until we have full buy-in from all 27 guys, nothing’s going to change.”
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solovsfett
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Translation: Caufield, Turcotte, Holloway and Miller don’t play team games. Fine, tell them they’re ready for the Show now and hurry up about leaving.
They’re by far the most selfish players i’ve Ever seen on the ice in 35 years as a season ticket holder with my Dad and it’s not close.
They’re 4 Kessel’s, get rid of them. Get guys who are talented and will buy in.
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
Absolutely not, you've been one of the realistic ones. I don't like to call anybody out!
Tim, when team is struggling AND a goalie looks like he can't stop a beach ball, getting the hook MANY times sparks a team because the players feel responsible. It has worked for generations. As a goalie dad, if MCR Jr was pulled I got it, but most important HE got it. IMO it's not a mind game for Granato, just trying to create a spark.
Absolutely not, you've been one of the realistic ones. I don't like to call anybody out!
Tim, when team is struggling AND a goalie looks like he can't stop a beach ball, getting the hook MANY times sparks a team because the players feel responsible. It has worked for generations. As a goalie dad, if MCR Jr was pulled I got it, but most important HE got it. IMO it's not a mind game for Granato, just trying to create a spark.
sunprairie
Badger Backer
I know it sounds foolish with the record we have right now, but I could totally see a team led by Achan, Mersch, B. Caufield, Gorniak and Lebedeff take the Badgers to a championship in a couple years. They have the kind of grit and team mentality that could lead a talented underclass to big things. In hindsight, I actually wish there had been an extra year of separation between them and this class so they could have been better able to set that example to the all stars, rather than being so close so that they are seen merely as similar-aged peers.
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
That is one of the most bold statements here in....forever. I've wondering myself. Last summer, while being cautiously optimistic, I posted I hope they don't get "swollen domes" and play 1 against 6.
As a big fan it seems ironic to say this, but good riddance to the one-and-dones. What have they done as a team?
EDIT: We aren't going anywhere with Lebedeff. Hopefully the `tendies coming in will shoot to the top of the roster.
Not to be "that guy", but among the grinders who care, they arent confident in the current goalies.
That is one of the most bold statements here in....forever. I've wondering myself. Last summer, while being cautiously optimistic, I posted I hope they don't get "swollen domes" and play 1 against 6.
As a big fan it seems ironic to say this, but good riddance to the one-and-dones. What have they done as a team?
EDIT: We aren't going anywhere with Lebedeff. Hopefully the `tendies coming in will shoot to the top of the roster.
Not to be "that guy", but among the grinders who care, they arent confident in the current goalies.
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solovsfett
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I’ve thinking a lot about this the past two days. So much so that it’s been fighting my indifference. A big part of me wanted to add in my signature last night .” Everything in its right place, Wisconsin Hockey, NCAA Champions 2022.”
And that is based on my watching Achan play last weekend giving it full 60’s. Also, Brock Caufield, Messner And Mersch. Character guys...sorta like Rohlik and Burish. If they’re leaders it can be done.
I’ll be honest our about the one and dones, I really DO want them out of Madison.
solovsfett
Registered User
It’s shocking when you isolate/focus solely on 8 or 15 and 19. Any name could be stitched into their sweaters in front, they DON’T CARE.
I’d bet anything they have a sense of superiority and arrogance that permeates the locker room.
sunprairie
Badger Backer
This list of guys is the biggest reason I am disappointed in the one and dones. Save for Lindmark, who I could see being our big skill guy as a senior, the one and dones are causing the likes of Messner, B. Caufield and Gotniak to have to platoon this year, and not get the ice time that will benefit them when they are the team’s leaders starting next year. Honestly, I think for the future, all of them should be in the dressed lineup the majority of the way out this season.
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