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Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

bucky15 said:
I believe Seattle would start in 2020, it is not official but it is pretty close to being set. Seattle has applied and they have a group of people who are willing to pay $650 million for a team. \

I didn't mean that the expansion rules would be worse for Seattle, if anything they may be better. I was getting at, the GM's of the other teams are going to be much more reluctant to make such nice offers for Seattle to take one player over another.

Seattle starting in 2020, is going to make the NHL avoid locking out. Without this expansion team starting in 2020, I would have said the likely hood of a lock out would have been quite high.

I enjoyed the expansion process for Vegas and look forward to it again in 2020.

It does help that Fleury is playing out of his mind. Game 4 is a must win for Winnipeg, I don't see a team beating Vegas 3 games in a row the way Fleury is playing.
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**** Seattle. They'll just come up with some stupid 7th Man flag. :mad:

In my opinion Quebec City should have received the next franchise.

Did I mention **** Seattle?
 
MadCityRich said:
**** Seattle. They'll just come up with some stupid 7th Man flag. :mad:

In my opinion Quebec City should have received the next franchise.

Did I mention **** Seattle?
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The team names the Seattle team has taken trademarks out on are odd.

For Quebec, it would cost a Canadian ownership $845 CAD for the expansion fee. The exchange rate is really bad for Canada at the moment.
 
bucky15 said:
The team names the Seattle team has taken trademarks out on are odd.

For Quebec, it would cost a Canadian ownership $845 CAD for the expansion fee. The exchange rate is really bad for Canada at the moment.
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Which is too bad. Quebec deserves a team.

Come to think of it, Wisconsin totally deserves a team too.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

All the talk on the Vegas draft ignores the altered rules they made for who could and couldn’t be protected in addition to the trades that “had” to be made to protect certain players. The difference in “recent experience” (number of games played in the NHL in the previous one or two seasons) compared to previous drafts was significant.

It’s why they got both Haula and Tuch from the Wild. They really fleeced one of NYI or NJD (can’t recall which off the top of my head).

It’s how they got guys like Marchessault.

At the end of the day, Vegas walked out of the expansion draft with more than enough 2nd and 3rd liners to make a good team. It’s not a surprise that some of them would improve with the chance to get 1st line minutes. They were definitely a middle of the road team in the draft, and they’ve also accumulated a **** ton of draft picks in the process. Vegas is set for a LONG time.

That said: It’s still a hell of an accomplishment that so many of them improved as they did. They were set to be a middle of the road team immediately (still a major gift from Bettman), but the fact that they’re almost a SCF Team right now is amazing.

Still: screw them and their special draft rules.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
All the talk on the Vegas draft ignores the altered rules they made for who could and couldn’t be protected in addition to the trades that “had” to be made to protect certain players. The difference in “recent experience” (number of games played in the NHL in the previous one or two seasons) compared to previous drafts was significant.

It’s why they got both Haula and Tuch from the Wild. They really fleeced one of NYI or NJD (can’t recall which off the top of my head).

It’s how they got guys like Marchessault.

At the end of the day, Vegas walked out of the expansion draft with more than enough 2nd and 3rd liners to make a good team. It’s not a surprise that some of them would improve with the chance to get 1st line minutes. They were definitely a middle of the road team in the draft, and they’ve also accumulated a **** ton of draft picks in the process. Vegas is set for a LONG time.

That said: It’s still a hell of an accomplishment that so many of them improved as they did. They were set to be a middle of the road team immediately (still a major gift from Bettman), but the fact that they’re almost a SCF Team right now is amazing.

Still: screw them and their special draft rules.
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Gotta wonder if the loss of a player of the quality that Vegas took from each teams means the talent pool for Seattle will be noticeably less (aside from the fact there won't likely be a clear #1 goalie available). And at the same time, every team will drop in talent a little for the second time.
 
ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
All the talk on the Vegas draft ignores the altered rules they made for who could and couldn’t be protected in addition to the trades that “had” to be made to protect certain players. The difference in “recent experience” (number of games played in the NHL in the previous one or two seasons) compared to previous drafts was significant.

It’s why they got both Haula and Tuch from the Wild. They really fleeced one of NYI or NJD (can’t recall which off the top of my head).

It’s how they got guys like Marchessault.

At the end of the day, Vegas walked out of the expansion draft with more than enough 2nd and 3rd liners to make a good team. It’s not a surprise that some of them would improve with the chance to get 1st line minutes. They were definitely a middle of the road team in the draft, and they’ve also accumulated a **** ton of draft picks in the process. Vegas is set for a LONG time.

That said: It’s still a hell of an accomplishment that so many of them improved as they did. They were set to be a middle of the road team immediately (still a major gift from Bettman), but the fact that they’re almost a SCF Team right now is amazing.

Still: screw them and their special draft rules.
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They got Tuch and Haula because the Wild didn’t want to give up Dumba. These deals will not happen for Seattle. The gms have now realized 2 NHL players are better than 1. For marchessault and Smith, the Panthers didnt think they could afford marchessault and thought Smith was over paid. Panthers were able to move two contracts, since they are a salary cap floor team.
 
bucky15 said:
They got Tuch and Haula because the Wild didn’t want to give up Dumba. These deals will not happen for Seattle. The gms have now realized 2 NHL players are better than 1. For marchessault and Smith, the Panthers didnt think they could afford marchessault and thought Smith was over paid. Panthers were able to move two contracts, since they are a salary cap floor team.
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I’m still irked by Chuck Fletcher’s decision making. They should have protected Suter, Spurgeon, Dumba and given Vegas the choice between Brodin/Scandella. After the expansion I was still okay with what happened until Fletcher went and traded Scandella for garbage and minimal cap savings.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

MadCityRich said:
Unfortunately, I don't think WI would support an NHL team. Tons of Wild fans northwest, tons of Blackhawk fans southeast. Badgers are the hockey team of WI.
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Yeah, that ship has sailed. Back in the late 80's / early 90's when the Showdown was at the BC (and the BC opened), that was when hockey had lots of momentum in Milwaukee (and Madison). Now days we're just a nitch sport in SE WI. It would be interesting to have an NHL team in WI, but it split it's home games between Madison, GB and Milwaukee. That could maybe work.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

DPlaya said:
Chris Peter just tweeted it appears he is leaving for the USHL. The Steel traded his rights to Dubuque.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looks like we can close the book on defenseman JD Greenway's time with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Badgers?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Badgers</a>. This quote is from the Dubuque release on acquring him via trade with Chicago, which drafted him earlier this month. <a href="https://t.co/13ejpih9SA">pic.twitter.com/13ejpih9SA</a></p>— Todd Milewski (@ToddMilewski) <a href="https://twitter.com/ToddMilewski/status/999754869534871554?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Wish him the best.
 
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gwhinwi said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looks like we can close the book on defenseman JD Greenway's time with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Badgers?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Badgers</a>. This quote is from the Dubuque release on acquring him via trade with Chicago, which drafted him earlier this month. <a href="https://t.co/13ejpih9SA">pic.twitter.com/13ejpih9SA</a></p>— Todd Milewski (@ToddMilewski) <a href="https://twitter.com/ToddMilewski/status/999754869534871554?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Wish him the best.
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Loved the energy that he would bring to a game, but he just took too many stupid aggressive penalties for my taste.

Yeah, get in a guy's face, be aggressive. But know where to draw the line and keep yourself out of the box!
 
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Best of luck....fewer bonehead penalties and less playing around with the puck too much until you turn it over is a positive.
 
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I know we're stretching the JD subject out a bit, but I wonder if number of games is a factor? The USHL plays 60 regular season games. NCAA plays 34(?). A step back might help him.

On an unrelated note, I've been asked why kids decide to play in the CHL over NCAA. My answer is TWICE as many games. College hockey lacks in games played.
 
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