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Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winning
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
What do you guys think about Todd Milewski? He's been doing recaps on FB Live for a bit, and I appreciate the insight offered. Very interactive with questions and such provided (live).
What do you guys think about Todd Milewski? He's been doing recaps on FB Live for a bit, and I appreciate the insight offered. Very interactive with questions and such provided (live).
Looking at the recruiting tracker, it doesnt look like we have any blue chippers lined up to come in after these guys. At least not at forward, based on the stats I'm seeing. These guys are scoring like 3 goals in 30 games in the USHL.
Some are scoring alot of goals in high school... but nothing that "knocks your socks off."
I'm wondering when he's going to ask Tony what the problem is. In a non softball type of way.
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Can you expand on that? Are you saying he's not one of the jaded journalists? He's more of a run of the mill? Honest question, I just started listening to his recaps about a month ago.
Can you expand on that? Are you saying he's not one of the jaded journalists? He's more of a run of the mill? Honest question, I just started listening to his recaps about a month ago.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
Todd is not employed by the UW, but by WI St Journal, therefore I feel he is objective. He's the one that exposed the face-off debacle. He also has written other stories critical if they should be as a journalist. I like his coverage. I do think it is tough being as beat writer because if you start going down the defcon path, they won't tell you anything, so it's definitely a fine line. You can PM him on twitter questions and he'll look into things or get you an answer on a reasonable question, but on other reasonable questions about injuries or red-shirts on the women's side, Mark Johnson is the Bellicheck of women's hockey.
Todd is not employed by the UW, but by WI St Journal, therefore I feel he is objective. He's the one that exposed the face-off debacle. He also has written other stories critical if they should be as a journalist. I like his coverage. I do think it is tough being as beat writer because if you start going down the defcon path, they won't tell you anything, so it's definitely a fine line. You can PM him on twitter questions and he'll look into things or get you an answer on a reasonable question, but on other reasonable questions about injuries or red-shirts on the women's side, Mark Johnson is the Bellicheck of women's hockey.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
Either you changed your handle or you have a twin on this site.
Either you changed your handle or you have a twin on this site.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
This is FRIGHTENING, I have noticed the same thing. They are racking up all these players, but if they are miss evaluating guys, we are doomed, but that goes for any coach.
This is FRIGHTENING, I have noticed the same thing. They are racking up all these players, but if they are miss evaluating guys, we are doomed, but that goes for any coach.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
Is Tony going to throw players under the bus? No. Realistically either he has to blame the players for not performing to the way they are taught or he has to blame himself and the coaches. In the post game last night, cutting through all the rah rah crap between Posick and Oz, they both implied the upperclassmen weren't playing the right way when they singled out the freshmen as playing the right way.
At least in the broadcast Perrin said Kalynuk was holding the puck way too long on the pp and he made comments critical of Tischke on the PK and Berry on the game winner, just being matter of fact honest.
Is Tony going to throw players under the bus? No. Realistically either he has to blame the players for not performing to the way they are taught or he has to blame himself and the coaches. In the post game last night, cutting through all the rah rah crap between Posick and Oz, they both implied the upperclassmen weren't playing the right way when they singled out the freshmen as playing the right way.
At least in the broadcast Perrin said Kalynuk was holding the puck way too long on the pp and he made comments critical of Tischke on the PK and Berry on the game winner, just being matter of fact honest.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
Changed my handle to coincide with other social media sites.
Changed my handle to coincide with other social media sites.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
Figured as much. I'm not sure who'd want to be you but you anyway.
I sure know no one else wants to be me, that is for sure, though they have no idea what they are missing out on.
Figured as much. I'm not sure who'd want to be you but you anyway.
I sure know no one else wants to be me, that is for sure, though they have no idea what they are missing out on.solovsfett
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This is it in a nutshell. Oz version 2.0 isn’t working on D. Version 1.0 could take any 5-6 people from the stands and mold them into a solid defense. Now they’ve got Miller and Emberson (the latter of which has been talked up for a million years around here) and Kalynuk and well....
Tony got an enthusiasm bump in year 1. Then Don leaves. The recruits lined up (other than next year) don’t look like a pipeline to sustain winning. Then again they actually have to start winning. So it’s not a pipeline to build a successful long term program.
Wisconsin is in trouble. And I don’t think it’s far fetched to say Caulfield and Turcotte are 1 and dones until they prove us wrong.
Turris wasn’t ready imo but bolted anyway. Happens all the time. And Caulfield has already eclipsed Patrick Kane’s goal production so it’s not inconceivable there is a 1 year bump or two year bump then right back to .500 or below.
AND the question I ask is: what if the fab 5 don’t bring a title home? Then what? Another 5 years of this and Wisconsin will have 30 consecutive years of mostly mediocre **** hockey.
Ivdidn’t Tune in for one second of either game this weekend. I guess i’m done as a fan and becoming a casual observer. I’m tired of it and Alvarez sure as **** won’t ever see a 6-time ncaa championship pedigree as something to cherish and hold to the highest of standards
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bye
bye
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
That's how I feel. It's to the point where I just wait for the mistake that will cost them the game. I was at the Sat. DU game and they do play fast they just don't finish.
That's how I feel. It's to the point where I just wait for the mistake that will cost them the game. I was at the Sat. DU game and they do play fast they just don't finish.
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
He was saying BYE to me! LOL!
He was saying BYE to me! LOL!
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
Apparently, you like mediocre, below average college hockey. Not too many Badgers fans do, looking at slumping attendance the past 10+ years, except for Granato's first year. This once powerful program's winning percentage is a tick over 50% the past 10 years. 50%!.
Don't let the fake "announced" attendance figures fool you. Where I was sitting in level 2 between the goal and blue lines, there are some rows with nobody but us 2 in them. When "10,000" is announced, it's more like 7,000 tickets scanned. *FACT* It would very difficult to fill the Coliseum (8662 for hockey) these days.
I agree with solo that this program is in very deep **** and on the verge of never coming back. 99% of the time I'm a glass half full, confident, flag waving, excited Badger hockey hockey fan. I'm now in the 1% -----talk is cheap. Show me.
Apparently, you like mediocre, below average college hockey. Not too many Badgers fans do, looking at slumping attendance the past 10+ years, except for Granato's first year. This once powerful program's winning percentage is a tick over 50% the past 10 years. 50%!.
Don't let the fake "announced" attendance figures fool you. Where I was sitting in level 2 between the goal and blue lines, there are some rows with nobody but us 2 in them. When "10,000" is announced, it's more like 7,000 tickets scanned. *FACT* It would very difficult to fill the Coliseum (8662 for hockey) these days.
I agree with solo that this program is in very deep **** and on the verge of never coming back. 99% of the time I'm a glass half full, confident, flag waving, excited Badger hockey hockey fan. I'm now in the 1% -----talk is cheap. Show me.
solovsfett
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It’s sad to me how it seems many have accepted the last 25 years as a “new normal” or take the you can’t win like Bob Johnson, Herb Brooks or Jerry York have anymore attitude.
Honestly no-one should be more ****ed than alumni and I wonder how many of these guys are calling Barry now?
I think you and I and Joeyv (if he reads this anymore) are on the same page with our expectations.
Might be time for me to gear up for F1 and INDYCAR now.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
Story of my life as a MN sports fan.
Story of my life as a MN sports fan.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
Yes, it's realistic to expect Wisconsin's baseline as a program overall to be higher than most, but I doubt that there's a coach alive that could take the reigns of any program and (legally) turn it into a powerhouse that reliably sustains that powerhouse status year after year. Take Motzko, Hastings, Sandelin, and, well...anyone associated with Denver, and you've got your list of people who you could argue would be an upgrade over UW's staff, especially taking into account the ramifications of replacing your coaches after just THREE seasons.
Yeah, UW has been stuck in the middle of the pack (and yes, below the realistic average expectations of this program over the long term...long term, not a breakaway in the second period of one game). I find it hard to think about what a new "era" actually entails for a program (more than 4 years to get "his guys" all through the roster and to establish a new standard) while the team is losing. Losing very competitive games to pretty good teams, but the national ratings and Big Ten race aren't supposed to be predictive or feeling-based -- results are what they are. I want to see my favorite team win, especially when my favorite team has a higher potential (as a program overall, I'm not talking about specific rosters this season).
I guess I don't understand why I'm seeing so many comments from people who seem not just disappointed, but surprised that the classes that were recruited when this program was at its lowest (and while other options are more plentiful) since the start of the Bob Johnson era isn't leading this team to an at large bid.
I highly recommend listening to the College Hockey Today podcast from 2 weeks ago. Nate Ewell articulates this stuff well. It's basically how it's not the 1990s anymore. Does that mean you have to be "okay with losing/mediocrity/whatever?" No. It does mean you should probably think about what is possible and in actual control of the athletic department and coaching staff.
Even if I imagine a world where Alvarez and all his people declare that they're making the Badgers all about hockey, and that hockey will be the number one focus indefinitely, I find it hard to imagine them building a program that always rolls into the tournament within a couple of years.
Maybe they fork out millions and millions of dollars for Mitch Korn. That's a big step, because you're now the preferred goalie destination for a large chunk of goalies. Take your pick of favorite head and assistant coaches. HOW do they suddenly make everything better, and how do they ensure they recruit the best players once it's time for "their guys" to come on board? Big programs make big splashes with renowned coaches, and you still see top guys going elsewhere. (Would the coaches of "elsewhere" do better if you plopped them down at one of those big programs? Maybe. We're partway through Granato's first wave, AND this isn't that make-believe unlimited funds on hockey situation I described. I admit I'm basing this on a gut feeling, but it's hard to imagine coming up with a dream team staff that I'd be comfortable betting on that being an upgrade for reasons they actually cause.)
Again, I realize that UW has one of the highest baseline levels of expectations. (To be clear, I'm talking about expectations of any given program overall in 2019, not the standards/tradition/legacy of when a "powerhouse" program had a different meaning because it was in a different landscape.)
Most of this stuff applies to lots of programs right now. Again, I recommend that College Hockey Today podcast, because I thought it was very well timed for Badgers fans, and it certainly helped me to continue enjoying college hockey and not freak out about a couple of losses halfway into one recruiting cycle, climbing up from a terribly low depth.
Okay, so fans of those other programs SHOULD be mad because they have standards of excellence that demand that they only lose to each other and never to poorer programs! Cool. Let me know what the answer is, because it sure looks like none of them can figure it out either. (Except for you, Denver.) Now, I don't mean to understate the way SCSU and UMD have been so consistently good (rather than just the flash in the pan that is typical of teams that rely on older players with less NHL "talent"). Part of why I was disappointed with last year's Frozen Four was that it was a powerhouse program staying on top.
I didn't write all that to try and satisfy people, because I know it won't, and I don't think we should be satisfied with where things are right this instant. I certainly am not going around saying "well, ya know, this is the new normal, better get used to it, oh well." Not at all. I don't know what major shakeup of the program this summer would be both positive and possible. That's why my disappointment after this weekend's results is only that "the Badgers only got one conference point and a loss/tie in a big matchup." My disappointment doesn't have anything to do with feelings that there's some new crisis with the program.
It's just that the levels of concern, shock, and disgust I'm seeing don't match up with what I've been watching on the ice (and on EliteProspects, I guess ). I did not find that to be the case in the late Eaves years, both when things were iffy/good or (temporarily, and we knew it) great for that last gasp of 2012-2014, and when things were terrible and bleak. Everything matched up, so that's why I've found it weird reading this thread in the last few days.
Yes, it's realistic to expect Wisconsin's baseline as a program overall to be higher than most, but I doubt that there's a coach alive that could take the reigns of any program and (legally) turn it into a powerhouse that reliably sustains that powerhouse status year after year. Take Motzko, Hastings, Sandelin, and, well...anyone associated with Denver, and you've got your list of people who you could argue would be an upgrade over UW's staff, especially taking into account the ramifications of replacing your coaches after just THREE seasons.
Yeah, UW has been stuck in the middle of the pack (and yes, below the realistic average expectations of this program over the long term...long term, not a breakaway in the second period of one game). I find it hard to think about what a new "era" actually entails for a program (more than 4 years to get "his guys" all through the roster and to establish a new standard) while the team is losing. Losing very competitive games to pretty good teams, but the national ratings and Big Ten race aren't supposed to be predictive or feeling-based -- results are what they are. I want to see my favorite team win, especially when my favorite team has a higher potential (as a program overall, I'm not talking about specific rosters this season).
I guess I don't understand why I'm seeing so many comments from people who seem not just disappointed, but surprised that the classes that were recruited when this program was at its lowest (and while other options are more plentiful) since the start of the Bob Johnson era isn't leading this team to an at large bid.
I highly recommend listening to the College Hockey Today podcast from 2 weeks ago. Nate Ewell articulates this stuff well. It's basically how it's not the 1990s anymore. Does that mean you have to be "okay with losing/mediocrity/whatever?" No. It does mean you should probably think about what is possible and in actual control of the athletic department and coaching staff.
Even if I imagine a world where Alvarez and all his people declare that they're making the Badgers all about hockey, and that hockey will be the number one focus indefinitely, I find it hard to imagine them building a program that always rolls into the tournament within a couple of years.
Maybe they fork out millions and millions of dollars for Mitch Korn. That's a big step, because you're now the preferred goalie destination for a large chunk of goalies. Take your pick of favorite head and assistant coaches. HOW do they suddenly make everything better, and how do they ensure they recruit the best players once it's time for "their guys" to come on board? Big programs make big splashes with renowned coaches, and you still see top guys going elsewhere. (Would the coaches of "elsewhere" do better if you plopped them down at one of those big programs? Maybe. We're partway through Granato's first wave, AND this isn't that make-believe unlimited funds on hockey situation I described. I admit I'm basing this on a gut feeling, but it's hard to imagine coming up with a dream team staff that I'd be comfortable betting on that being an upgrade for reasons they actually cause.)
Again, I realize that UW has one of the highest baseline levels of expectations. (To be clear, I'm talking about expectations of any given program overall in 2019, not the standards/tradition/legacy of when a "powerhouse" program had a different meaning because it was in a different landscape.)
Most of this stuff applies to lots of programs right now. Again, I recommend that College Hockey Today podcast, because I thought it was very well timed for Badgers fans, and it certainly helped me to continue enjoying college hockey and not freak out about a couple of losses halfway into one recruiting cycle, climbing up from a terribly low depth.
Okay, so fans of those other programs SHOULD be mad because they have standards of excellence that demand that they only lose to each other and never to poorer programs! Cool. Let me know what the answer is, because it sure looks like none of them can figure it out either. (Except for you, Denver.) Now, I don't mean to understate the way SCSU and UMD have been so consistently good (rather than just the flash in the pan that is typical of teams that rely on older players with less NHL "talent"). Part of why I was disappointed with last year's Frozen Four was that it was a powerhouse program staying on top.
I didn't write all that to try and satisfy people, because I know it won't, and I don't think we should be satisfied with where things are right this instant. I certainly am not going around saying "well, ya know, this is the new normal, better get used to it, oh well." Not at all. I don't know what major shakeup of the program this summer would be both positive and possible. That's why my disappointment after this weekend's results is only that "the Badgers only got one conference point and a loss/tie in a big matchup." My disappointment doesn't have anything to do with feelings that there's some new crisis with the program.
It's just that the levels of concern, shock, and disgust I'm seeing don't match up with what I've been watching on the ice (and on EliteProspects, I guess
). I did not find that to be the case in the late Eaves years, both when things were iffy/good or (temporarily, and we knew it) great for that last gasp of 2012-2014, and when things were terrible and bleak. Everything matched up, so that's why I've found it weird reading this thread in the last few days.Top bloke. Real champion of UW hockey in recent years. He pumps out content and info about the Badgers, including future badgers. Very responsive to fans. There's not necessarily a huge lucrative audience for a lot of the ins and outs of UW hockey, so it's good to have a guy (independent from UW) in the local media fighting the good fight, i.e. we all want the Badgers to be big and great and successful on the ice, on TV, in the stands, etc.
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