Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winning

[The Rube]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

Who remembers "Chuck Schwartz" on the forums? Tonight, I recognized him, introduced myself, and we talked a few minutes.

For those of you who didnt know of him, that guy is a wealth of hockey player knowledge.

I remember the name, never met him though. Good to hear he was a good guy.

 

[druzy192]

What’s the excuse now?

The team is not very good. Goalies are unreliable.

 

[SteveO]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

I did a stat analysis on the probability of the Badgers making the NCAAs. With the loss last night, UW is basically out. 5 years without an NCAA at-large bid is unprecedented in UW hockey. TG is past his prime.

 

[solovsfett]

The team is not very good. Goalies are unreliable.

And that gets to my main fear. Many people talked up players on this team and how highly regarded they were. And yet they’re likely to miss the playoffs for a 5th consecutive year.

The fear is next year’s recruiting class will temporarily mask a larger underlying issue which is a lack of talent AND bad coaching. Like Heatley masked a lack of talent, somehow with almost no support he got 57 points as a soph.

Osiecki may have lost it as a coach of D. They’ve been generally lousy in version 2.0

Add to that a lack of talent up and down the line and i’m Not sure if Granato is the answer at HC as well.

What if Caulfield and Turcotte are Kariya/Turris/Suter/Kessel types? 1 and done. Does that mean that in 2 years Wisconsin misses the playoffs again so it’s 6 out of 7 years?

There are serious questions about this program and i’m Beginning to feel the same way as I did in 2014. I remember arguing with chuck Schwartz who I thought was pollyannic on UW. Sure enough UW got dumped in game 1 of the ncaa’s. And the reason was lack of talent. Barnes, Mersch et all would be 3rd liners on a championship team. Same with 17 and 18 today although 17 might be ac4th liner on a title team.

I’m very concerned now that Wisconsin is not positioned for long term success with this coaching staff.

 

[LordofBrewtown]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

And that gets to my main fear. Many people talked up players on this team and how highly regarded they were. And yet they’re likely to miss the playoffs for a 5th consecutive year.


Osiecki may have lost it as a coach of D. They’ve been generally lousy in version 2.0

Interesting point/question regarding Osiecki. Most of the talent we have is supposed to be on D. I keep hearing how talented they are; but, young. We're more than half way through the season now, and really most of defensemen are soph's (Tischke a senior). We're like 44th in goals allowed per game. Even if our goaltending is spotty, I don't feel like we should be that bad if the defense is really that talented and/or Osiecki is really a defensive guru.

Granted, penalties haven't helped (54th in power play goals allowed). Though that is also either a sign of talent or coaching (discipline).

 

[digitalbooya]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

I'm not worried about Osiecki. What this team needs is a good head coach, a good forward coach and a goaltending coach.

Reasoning: How come Don Granato was able to do much more with a lot less for players? Then Strobel comes in and back down we went. What about Tony? When has he EVER been a good coach that wasn't propped up by having a loaded team? It's embarrassing that NCAA teams can't have a paid goaltending coach. Goalie U has been getting worse and worse ever since Bill Howard left. Both goalies this year have sub .900 sv%. That's absolutely dreadful and that's not all on just the defensemen. I don't think the forwards know how to play in the d-zone. Look at the PK earlier in the year. They collapsed HARD and what did that lead to? One of if not THE worst penalty kill in college hockey.

Bare minimum this offseason: fire Strobel and hire a real forward coach.

 

[MadCityRich]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

I thought Lebedeff would be better. I've been *****ing about signing Tier 2 (NAHL) goalies for years, and a few posters have given me a load of ****. "Give him time!" "He'll be OK." Well, wow do you like me now, eh? Why can't we get elite goalies here anymore?

This is getting BEYOND frustration. "Wait until next year!" I'm not a Cubs fan and don't believe it any longer.

It's REALLY frustrating seeing the Kohl Center full on a Saturday AM game with a "meh" basketball team.

Last night, NoDame was missing their top 3 scorers and they pot 5 (6). SMMFH.

 

[digitalbooya]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

I thought Lebedeff would be better. I've been *****ing about signing Tier 2 (NAHL) goalies for years, and a few posters have given me a load of ****. "Give him time!" "He'll be OK." Well, wow do you like me now, eh? Why can't we get elite goalies here anymore?

This is getting BEYOND frustration. "Wait until next year!" I'm not a Cubs fan and don't believe it any longer.

It's REALLY frustrating seeing the Kohl Center full on a Saturday AM game with a "meh" basketball team.

Last night, NoDame was missing their top 3 scorers and they pot 5 (6). SMMFH.

And down goes #2 Michigan.

 

[SteveO]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

I did a stat analysis on the probability of the Badgers making the NCAAs. With the loss last night, UW is basically out. 5 years without an NCAA at-large bid is unprecedented in UW hockey. TG is past his prime.

Not trying to be pretentious in anyway, but the death spiral of UW hockey over the past 5 seasons including this one is shocking and unprecedented in the storied history of the University of Wisconsin Badger hockey program. It's not good for UW fans or the Big Ten. I honestly hope there is a solution soon starting with immediate changes in leadership.

BTW what I came up with in my analysis was the Badgers most likely have to run the table (win 11-12 out of their next 13 games) to get to #14-15 in the PWR. Based upon the Badgers record thus far and the remaining schedule that's not possible. An autobid looks like the only path into the NCAA postseason.

 

[MadCityRich]

And down goes #2 Michigan.

They're still a "meh" team. Any team who only scores 15 pts in a first half TWICE, is nothing more. UW skaters beat Notre Dame 5-0 last year when ND was #1. How did that season end up for us?

Of course, I don't let this run my life, but this program is just on bicycle without a chain and it's not fun.

"Head coach Tony Granato talks about the lessons from Notre Dame"

Above was the headline on a video on the Badger Hockey facebook page. It could be used every week so far; just insert a different opponent. Jeez it's bad.

 

[MadCityRich]

Not trying to be pretentious in anyway, but the death spiral of UW hockey over the past 5 seasons including this one is shocking and unprecedented in the storied history of the University of Wisconsin Badger hockey program. It's not good for UW fans or the Big Ten. I honestly hope there is a solution soon starting with immediate changes in leadership.

BTW what I came up with in my analysis was the Badgers most likely have to run the table (win 11-12 out of their next 13 games) to get to #14-15 in the PWR. Based upon the Badgers record thus far and the remaining schedule that's not possible. An autobid looks like the only path into the NCAA postseason.

SteveO doesn't post often, but when he does, he's golden.

 

[WiscTJK]

Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winning

I want to believe but this team keeps making the same mistakes over and over and I am just not seeing improvement.

It's frustrating to watch them skate around Notre Dame, dominate stretches and make the same mistakes and lose.

I continue to be disappointed in the goalies. Lebby looked slow last night. Granted many of those shots where perfectly placed but still we need a big save here and there.

I'm frustrated and disgusted.

And for those asking for it I don't see any changes coming in the coaching staff for several years.




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[digitalbooya]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

Well, it's game day or something... LET'S GO RED!

 

[solovsfett]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

Wisconsin needs to go 6-7 from tonight forward just to match last year’s paltry 14 win total.

Unfortunately I don’t see how that happens.

 

[gwhinwi]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

Wisconsin needs to go 6-7 from tonight forward just to match last year’s paltry 14 win total.

Unfortunately I don’t see how that happens.

Such a sad state of affairs.

 

[digitalbooya]

Upperclassmen are failing this team.

 

[MadCityRich]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

Well boys, I've seen enough this year. Another season out of the NCAA tourney. I just gave my tickets to my daughter to use or sell (good luck). Just like 3 years ago, my hockey money is now for NHL games.

Bitter? You bet your ****ing ***. 2 years ago, we were told to "Wait until next year!" Last year we were told to "Wait until next year!" It is now next year and it's worse than last with better players. Hmmmm.

UW will get my money again when they sign D-1 goalies, go to Western Canada for more talent, get a coach who knows how to teach power plays and face offs, etc, etc, etc.

Sorry boys, I'm ****ed off.

 

[Timothy A]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

Upperclassmen are failing this team.

Yeah, that thought was crossing my mind as well. I really want Seamus and Johnson to do well, but they just aren't scoring. 12 goals over 42 games played those 2 isn't not going to get it done. Zimmer has fallen off the map, though he's never really got any traction his whole career. Seems to me the 5 best F are 4 Fr and a So.

I think the Hammer will be a good goalie, too bad he got cut or he'd have played today, though Berry was solid, though Perrin on the radio said he's going down too early or shouldn't be at all in some cases and too deep in the crease. Obviously they need long term they need to get a goalie coach, that has to be a priority for next year. I'm sure Brad Winchester is a swell person, but him helping isn't doing the goalies any good.

Whoever is in charge for the 75% PK needs to be fired and I don't care who it is. That is stunningly awful. They would have probably swept this weekend if the PK wasn't horrific. This weekend the PK was 40%. That is beyond a steaming pile of elephant dung.

The faceoff situation is a f-ing joke. That is 100% coaching. Dumb luck should almost get you to 50%. You have to be totally negligent as a coaching staff to be this bad on faceoffs.

As for next year's class masking the inadequacies of the coaching, that may be a legit point. I think it is fair to say that DG >MS by a country mile. Oz hasn't lost it, has he? I don't want to believe that. Even it TG was an average NHL coach, shouldn't an average NHL coach be able to be an upper end college coach? Right now it sure looks like I'd take Steve Rohlik over any of the UW coaches. He's recruiting exciting players and they are winning regularly. It does look like it took Rohlik years 4 to get his program rolling, next year IS TG's 4th year. Maybe it's just going to take that long, but I'll tell you what, you don't need 1st round draft picks to kill penalties effectively and win faceoffs. I'm THIS close to saying blow the whole thing up.

 

[Timothy A]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

What if Caulfield and Turcotte are Kariya/Turris/Suter/Kessel types? 1 and done. Does that mean that in 2 years Wisconsin misses the playoffs again so it’s 6 out of 7 years?

Seems to me from the comments online that Caufield, Turcotte and Holloway are at minimum 2 yr guys. Physically Tourcotte may be the most physically advanced of the 3, therefore maybe the highest flight risk.

 

[Timothy A]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

One other thing that is pizzing me off is the coverage overall of UW sports and the spin machine. It used to be that the radio stations that covered the events were not part of the UW machine, so you could get objective coverage. Now UW is in bed with Learfield and it just makes me sick listening to the coverage guys trying to make a silk purse out of a pig's ***. Great guys Posick and Lepay have sold his souls to the UW.