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WISCONSIN HOCKEY 09-10 - Climbing The Mountain (7th Edition?)

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VarsityWisconsin said:
I think Gudmanson is the better goalie after this weekend. Sure, Bennett played ok on Friday, but Guddy makes better saves and hasn't really given up a softie yet this year. That said, neither of them is that much better than the other so we'll see a lot of platooning for the remainder of the year. If we get 2 points up at SCSU, I will consider the series a success.
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Its difficult to tell because neither of them have faced very many shots or good scoring chances. Both have come up big at times, this weekend may give us a little more of a picture for 2 reasons. Its a tough road series at a place where we have struggled to put good back to back efforts which means at least 1 of them will get tested one of the nights. 2nd reason, SCSU can score goals, i don't think they are the offensive force a lot of other people do but they are talented and will challenge out D similar to minnesota did. (And our D responded well against Minn i thought) But SCSU can score in bunches so they have to stay alert at all times and not take any shifts off. hopefully that is something that is stressed this week.
 
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The Hallucination said:
Students: Please stop the "it's all your fault" in the midst of the sieve drum-roll. It's horrible, it's wrong, our sieve cheer is marvelous as is without your crap, just knock it off. Inform the goaltender it's all his fault after we've finished the standard sieve, that's fine. I'm all in favor of ripping on the goalie; it's all his fault, he is a sieve, vacuum, and blackhole, he just sucks, and he takes it the ear. Absolutely. Just don't **** with the classic post goal cheer; do your additional stuff after.
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yes. HATE IT. :mad:
 
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VarsityWisconsin said:
Anyone know what was with Geoffrion tonight? He had a mean streak going from the start and went after the UAA players after the whistle quite a bit. He played very well, but usually he's not the type of player to be involved with scuffles. Usually McDonaugh takes care of that. Good series. We need to take at least 2 points next weekend. It looks like SCSU is tough, tough as they beat UND tonight.
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He was getting whacked, hacked, jacked, you name it, and finally had enough. I saw a few of them on Saturday night. I watched my recording before the Packer game ( :)), but didn't see much. I'm sure he wasn't an innocent bystander, but I really never saw anything he did to initiate some of the slashes.

Ben Dickson had a helluva weekend didn't he?

I agree with the "new" Sieve chant...stop it. I would like to meet the guy who started this crap and throw him from section 300. The chant has evolved from the early years - kind of like slow rolling thunder (siiiiiiiiiiiiiiv, siiiiiiiiiiiiiv, siiiiiiiiiiiiv) - to the quick siv, siv, siv, siv. This new one sux. :mad:
 
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The Hallucination said:
Please stop the "it's all your fault" in the midst of the sieve drum-roll. It's horrible, it's wrong, our sieve cheer is marvelous as is without your crap, just knock it off. Inform the goaltender it's all his fault after we've finished the standard sieve, that's fine. I'm all in favor of ripping on the goalie; it's all his fault, he is a sieve, vacuum, and blackhole, he just sucks, and he takes it the ear. Absolutely. Just don't **** with the classic post goal cheer; do your additional stuff after.
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On one hand: Don't mess with what works.

On the other hand: "It's all your fault" is the only modification I can recall ever since I first went to a Badger game in 2002. Plus, even if I'd prefer the "it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality, I can appreciate that adding "it's all your fault" is a little bit more rythmic than waiting for the entire drum cadence before saying anything. And, to MCR's point: It's not like the sieve cheer has taken that classic foghorn-like sound for as long as I've been around. Even if its faster than you're used to from back in the day, its not exactly like the "sivsivsivsiv" that you're describing. If you think our current cheer is fast, just look at what the hosers to the west of us do. If our cheer is at ~1.25 Hz (just a guess), the people in St. Cloud, Minneapolis, Duluth and Grand Forks are clocking in at 2 or 3 Hz.

If I were still in the student section, I'd like to try to incorporate the "foghorn" sieve into my cheering repertoire. But, I see a few problems. (1) It seems like it will no longer fit into our drum-led cadence for post-goal celebrations (what's the drummer going to do, wait two measures before he strikes the cymbal? Ignore how silly that would sound, I gaurantee you he get's the "freshman drummer" chant the first time he tries, then gives up.) You'd have better success trying to bring back the foghorn as the "while play is still going on" Sieve cheer. (2) If I learned nothing over my tenure as a Crease Creature, it's this: you can only go so far in dictating how the cheers go. It's hard work trying to change 3000 minds. About the only thing I was able to accomplish in five years was to replace every word in "On Wisconsin" with "Sieve". Even then, I wouldn't be shocked if that was something some of you other old people disapprove of. (3) Remember how often we've talked on this board about bringing back the Rumble Rink?

(Go ahead and file this under "Devil's Advocate")
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
(3) Remember how often we've talked on this board about bringing back the Rumble Rink? (Go ahead and file this under "Devil's Advocate")
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:D Man, it's funny you brought that up...I was telling Mrs MCR Saturday night that I hate the new sieve chant so much I was going to shock fans at the next home series. Get some red and white tights, some face paint...I'd find somewhere up high to recite the Rumblerink, but get arrested for taunting by the Kohl SS Troops. You should have seen the look I got from her, because she knew I was somewhat serious. Should've done it on Halloween dammit.

I don't mind the *circle finger* SIV, sivsivsivsivsiv with the cadence, it's evolution and pretty groovy, errrrr cool.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
On one hand: Don't mess with what works.

On the other hand: "It's all your fault" is the only modification I can recall ever since I first went to a Badger game in 2002. Plus, even if I'd prefer the "it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality, I can appreciate that adding "it's all your fault" is a little bit more rythmic than waiting for the entire drum cadence before saying anything. And, to MCR's point: It's not like the sieve cheer has taken that classic foghorn-like sound for as long as I've been around. Even if its faster than you're used to from back in the day, its not exactly like the "sivsivsivsiv" that you're describing. If you think our current cheer is fast, just look at what the hosers to the west of us do. If our cheer is at ~1.25 Hz (just a guess), the people in St. Cloud, Minneapolis, Duluth and Grand Forks are clocking in at 2 or 3 Hz.

If I were still in the student section, I'd like to try to incorporate the "foghorn" sieve into my cheering repertoire. But, I see a few problems. (1) It seems like it will no longer fit into our drum-led cadence for post-goal celebrations (what's the drummer going to do, wait two measures before he strikes the cymbal? Ignore how silly that would sound, I gaurantee you he get's the "freshman drummer" chant the first time he tries, then gives up.) You'd have better success trying to bring back the foghorn as the "while play is still going on" Sieve cheer. (2) If I learned nothing over my tenure as a Crease Creature, it's this: you can only go so far in dictating how the cheers go. It's hard work trying to change 3000 minds. About the only thing I was able to accomplish in five years was to replace every word in "On Wisconsin" with "Sieve". Even then, I wouldn't be shocked if that was something some of you other old people disapprove of. (3) Remember how often we've talked on this board about bringing back the Rumble Rink?

(Go ahead and file this under "Devil's Advocate")
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As a Wisconsin student myself, I agree it is impossible to change the minds of 3,000 (2,000 of them being drunk off their minds) IGNORANT people. This is not the cheer however that we should be angry that they are changing. Although its a change, its a small one in comparison to others, and at least they didn't throw in: "It's all your fu#@ing fault." I'm actually surprised they didn't.

Also, one cheer that I absolutely hate is at the end of a powerplay. Even though I was never a big fan of "That's Debatable," the fact that a select few (500-600) are trying to tack on "She's Inflatable" to the end of that, is nuts. ARE YOU FU#@ing KIDDING ME? What does that even mean?

My parents have been season tickets holders for over 30 years, and for 21 of them, I've been there with them. I think the students' ignorance and lack of class show more and more each year.

It is one thing to be a fan and root for your team (but that is even questionable as I guarentee 80% of the student section doesn't know a lick about hockey or the Badgers) but it is another to act the way they do sometimes!

For this, I refuse to sit with my fellow students (mainly because my parents have kick *** seats) even though I tried it for one year. Madison, please offer a free class to students that teaches them about their own school's sports. Also, maybe if the band started some more cheers, that would help?
 
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The key to success on the PP (and any PP system at all) requires 1.) offensive foresight to see how a team will react to a pass (this can either be through natural instinct or knowledge gained through experience) and 2.) Crisp and clean passes. The challenge is that #1 is worthless without #2 because the window that the shooting lane is open for is so short that by the time the player has corralled the puck the PKer has recovered.

Changing the PP isn't going to change the teams conversion rate until the passing improves. It isn't about passing less, it's about making better passes.
 
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Puck Nut said:
As a Wisconsin student myself, I agree it is impossible to change the minds of 3,000 (2,000 of them being drunk off their minds) IGNORANT people. This is not the cheer however that we should be angry that they are changing. Although its a change, its a small one in comparison to others, and at least they didn't throw in: "It's all your fu#@ing fault." I'm actually surprised they didn't.

Also, one cheer that I absolutely hate is at the end of a powerplay. Even though I was never a big fan of "That's Debatable," the fact that a select few (500-600) are trying to tack on "She's Inflatable" to the end of that, is nuts. ARE YOU FU#@ing KIDDING ME? What does that even mean?

My parents have been season tickets holders for over 30 years, and for 21 of them, I've been there with them. I think the students' ignorance and lack of class show more and more each year.

It is one thing to be a fan and root for your team (but that is even questionable as I guarentee 80% of the student section doesn't know a lick about hockey or the Badgers) but it is another to act the way they do sometimes!

For this, I refuse to sit with my fellow students (mainly because my parents have kick *** seats) even though I tried it for one year. Madison, please offer a free class to students that teaches them about their own school's sports. Also, maybe if the band started some more cheers, that would help?
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I agree 100% about the class. Believe me, it is hard to change some students minds...especially when they are all completely wasted. I had student tickets in both 04-05 and 05-06 (while I was in high school) and I shudder to think about what the student section has turned in to in such a short period of time. Five years from now...it might be in complete shambles :( .

Case in point, Friday, on the fifth goal, the drummer sped up and slowed down the sieve chant (which has been done in the past). Unfortunately, he got "freshman drummer". I stopped about 15 people around me but you can only do so much. I have at least got the ten or so people I sit with acting like true Crease Creatures.

If I hear the "inflatable" bull**** cheer one more time I am going to freak. I am all about creativity, but my God, it makes no sense whatsoever. The way things are going, the drummers will not be allowed to play "drop the puck" because of all the crap that has somehow developed after that (too many words that drunk people can rhyme :mad: ).

Exile, again, they played living on a prayer. Again, I refused to stand for that ****. Just thought you should know;)
 
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WisconsinWildcard said:
Exile, again, they played living on a prayer. Again, I refused to stand for that ****. Just thought you should know;)
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Bon Jovi. The bane of my existence.

That song isn't as bad as Cotton Eyed Joe. But it deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence. A sentence like "In some countries, shoplifters are given the choice of listening to Living on a Prayer and Cotton Eyed Joe in a continuous loop for half an hour and having their hand cut off, but no one ever chooses the music."

As for asinine cheers, a few more that grind my gears:

- The "your girlfriend's inflatable" chant is flat out retarded. I used to like the several variations of the actual cheer that it came from... "That's impossible!" "That's inconceivable!" "That's un-Constituational" "That's JUST PLAIN WRONG!". But at a certain point, I couldn't enjoy it any more when it was just me and four guys in my group doing it. I'm sure there were other, similar minded fans doing it (probably a few posters here), but we were always in the vast minority. Another one of those cases where you do a classic chant, and people stare at you like you're just doing it for attention. But if you do a stupid, quasi-vulgar version of it, then people join in.

- The guys who came up with "What the F" after the "drop the puck" drum cadence should be lined up and shot. Or, at the very least, they should be made to s*it hot knives. They sat next to my group in 113/4 for two seasons (06-07 and 07-08, if I remember correctly). I'm pretty sure they weren't even students anymore. One was bald. The other guy had long, wavy hair (looked kind of like Mark Boone Junior) and always wore a top hat for some reason. I'm describing them so, if you guys ever see them, you can tell them that they can go eat a bag of dicks. I'm secretly hoping that one of them posts here. Rep me and let me know how I can find you. I just might do it, just to tell you what a bunch of tools you guys are. They showed up late for every single game, rarely before the first intermission. They just started shouting "what the F!!!" really loud after every "drop the puck" drum cadence. They thought it was hilarious. I can't believe its caught on. This is your student section, people.

- Last, but not least, how many people really don't get the fact that the last verse of "[Goalie] is a great big sieve" is supposed to sound vulgar, but not be vulgar?

I'm sure there's more that I can remember. But I'm just wishing it was 05-06 again. You know, back when the Crease Creatures weren't filled with a bunch of football student section rejects.
 
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The stupidity of large groups of drunk college students should never be underestimated. To many sheep, not enough shepherds. Once they know to do something one way, it will never become less complicated because their will always be one person who will do it the more complicated way. Simple is always better, except to drunk college students. We can wring our hands all we want, but I'm afraid that the updated sieve chant (along with all the other abominations) is (are) here to stay, unfortunately.
 
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Almington said:
The key to success on the PP (and any PP system at all) requires 1.) offensive foresight to see how a team will react to a pass (this can either be through natural instinct or knowledge gained through experience) and 2.) Crisp and clean passes. The challenge is that #1 is worthless without #2 because the window that the shooting lane is open for is so short that by the time the player has corralled the puck the PKer has recovered.

Changing the PP isn't going to change the teams conversion rate until the passing improves. It isn't about passing less, it's about making better passes.
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Very well said. I've noticed this as a problem with Wisconsin's PP the last few games, although I probably couldn't have pinpointed it this concisely.

A nice crisp pass from one point to the other with an immediate, hard, shot on net works well. If the defender doesn't have time to get in position, the goalie (who is partially screened to begin with) is the only one with a chance of stopping it. But if that pass is bouncing weird or not aimed well - both very common problems lately - our player takes a second to settle it down, the defender gets in position to block the shot, and the opportunity's gone.

This is probably one area where a little extra practice could go a long way in converting power plays into goals.
 
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Also, one cheer that I absolutely hate is at the end of a powerplay. Even though I was never a big fan of "That's Debatable," the fact that a select few (500-600) are trying to tack on "She's Inflatable" to the end of that, is nuts. ARE YOU FU#@ing KIDDING ME? What does that even mean?
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That's what they're saying after "That's Debatable"? Hmmm. I could never figure that out. Lame.
 
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Mike Eaves's take on the Power Play. He does have a point. We did have a few goals right after the clock ticked zero on the PP.

Where's your power play at right now? Are you seeing enough that you think sooner or later you're going to convert a little bit more frequently?

Mike Eaves: We'll be fine. It's funny. If you go back and look at the tape, we scored three power play goals that were within five seconds of being over, so the guy coming out of the box wasn't a factor at all. I know in Pittsburgh with Kevin Constantine, he had his own power play stats, and one of them was when that guy got back in and was part of the play, then he didn't count that, but we were really 3 for 8 by our standards. So did we do everything that we wanted to do, no, but in the end we scored, you know, what you could say would be three power play goals because the guy coming out of the penalty box wasn't a factor in the play.
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Yes, power play percentage is a horrible stat.

A 10 second PP that you get because you were on the PK and the other team did something stupid, giving you 1:50 of 4 on 4 and a worthless 10 second power play counts the same as 2:00 minutes of full man-advantage in the stats.
 
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blockski said:
Yes, power play percentage is a horrible stat.

A 10 second PP that you get because you were on the PK and the other team did something stupid, giving you 1:50 of 4 on 4 and a worthless 10 second power play counts the same as 2:00 minutes of full man-advantage in the stats.
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At best it is a conservative estimate of what you'd expect for a PP. It would be interesting to see what you would get if you were to normalize the stat to goals per 2:00 of PP time.

A PP percentage also isn't totally horrible as an objective and relative comparison between teams, provided that they have roughly the same number of PP opportunities against similar competition.
 
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/notebook?page=buccigross/091117

Nice link that shows the potential olympic rosters for US and Canada.

4 former Badgers look like locks....no real surprises

USA
Suter
Rafalski
Pavs

Canada
Heatley

I bet if Austria makes it to the field Bruckler is the goalie.


The USA roster has the potential to have a lot of former WCHA players on it...... A lot of former college players in general.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
- Last, but not least, how many people really don't get the fact that the last verse of "[Goalie] is a great big sieve" is supposed to sound vulgar, but not be vulgar?
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At least some of them get it, as I happily noticed many of them pointing to their ears last weekend. You can't really hear which version they're singing- or at least I can't- even as close as 109, but the pointing? Like it.

The students do have some strengths this year. I'm liking the way the new ticket assignment (day of at admission) system is filling the lower tier by puck drop; at least the front rows are full and appear to contain people interested in the game, and that's an improvement.

The glory days of ticket line and the strong section it produced are over though... those of us who experienced it should probably just count ourselves lucky to have done so.
 
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