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Wisconsin Badgers 2020-2021

FiveHoleFrenzy said:
Yes Captain Obvious...No one in their right mind (you, however, are a different story) would compare Frost, as a player in his prime, to Johnson, as a player in his prime. Fortunately they can be judged now on how good each one is as a coach. Pretty much a toss-up there if you remove the inherent bias of each teams supporters.
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Frosty inherited a great program, MJ created a great program.
 
Timothy A said:
Frosty inherited a great program, MJ created a great program.
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Frost inherited a team that finished 23-12-1 and didn't make the 8-team NCAA field the year before. Johnson inherited a team that finished 22-11-2 and didn't make the 4-team NCAA field the year before. Both squads lost in the WCHA final in their last game before the current coaches took over. Johnson had Badgers in the tournament by his third year, and they were champions in year 4. Frost's teams have reached the NCAA Tournament every year, but it took him until his fifth season to win one.

Not a lot of difference when you look at the numbers.
 
ARM said:
Frost inherited a team that finished 23-12-1 and didn't make the 8-team NCAA field the year before. Johnson inherited a team that finished 22-11-2 and didn't make the 4-team NCAA field the year before. Both squads lost in the WCHA final in their last game before the current coaches took over. Johnson had Badgers in the tournament by his third year, and they were champions in year 4. Frost's teams have reached the NCAA Tournament every year, but it took him until his fifth season to win one.

Not a lot of difference when you look at the numbers.
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There you go again...bringing up relevant, factual information. Man, why you gotta harsh thinner-man's mellow.
 
ARM said:
Frost inherited a team that finished 23-12-1 and didn't make the 8-team NCAA field the year before. Johnson inherited a team that finished 22-11-2 and didn't make the 4-team NCAA field the year before. Both squads lost in the WCHA final in their last game before the current coaches took over. Johnson had Badgers in the tournament by his third year, and they were champions in year 4. Frost's teams have reached the NCAA Tournament every year, but it took him until his fifth season to win one.

Not a lot of difference when you look at the numbers.
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Frost took over a team coming off a down year, but at a school that had previously never failed to make the NCAA tournament and had already won three national championships; Johnson took over a team that had never been to the NCAA tournament.
 
robertearle said:
Frost took over a team coming off a down year, but at a school that had previously never failed to make the NCAA tournament and had already won three national championships; Johnson took over a team that had never been to the NCAA tournament.
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So what changed since #74 for you?
 
robertearle said:
Frost took over a team coming off a down year, but at a school that had previously never failed to make the NCAA tournament and had already won three national championships; Johnson took over a team that had never been to the NCAA tournament.
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This is what I'm talking about. I give the rodent tale spinners a "nice try button" trying to spin Frosty into the same realm as the commie killer.
 
FiveHoleFrenzy said:
Post number...And it is a silly conversation. Johnson or Frost is a horse a piece as far as a coach goes. Period.
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I don't remember if the old format on PC had "post numbers", but the new format that I'm on right now certainly does not (at least none that I can see or find).

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Whether or not Frost is a better player than his team members is a silly conversation.

Contending that Frost and Johnson walking into roughly equivalent coaching situations is plainly wrong.
 
robertearle said:
Frost took over a team coming off a down year, but at a school that had previously never failed to make the NCAA tournament and had already won three national championships;
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That's mostly true; UM didn't make the 2001 tournament. Anyway, the biggest impact players from the most recent NCAA title -- Wendell, Darwitz, Stephens, Wall, Horak -- were long gone by the time Frost took over.

robertearle said:
Johnson took over a team that had never been to the NCAA tournament.
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True. But those were teams that missed out on four-team tournaments, and obviously, Johnson would have had UW into the tournament faster had it been an eight-team event. The biggest change in 2005 was the expansion of the tourney to eight teams. Otherwise, the Badgers would have had to wait one additional year to crack the field.

Nobody is denying that Johnson built a great program in Madison. But the team that he inherited wasn't chopped liver. The blue line for his first squad included returning players Paulsen, Uliasz, Weiland, Engstrom, and MacLeod. Few teams in that era were even close to that group. Compared to a team like the one that Brian Idalski took over in North Dakota and eventually coached to the NCAA Tournament, Wisconsin was much more of a "have" than a "have not."
 
robertearle said:
I don't remember if the old format on PC had "post numbers", but the new format that I'm on right now certainly does not (at least none that I can see or find).
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Upper right corner of the post...#90 for what I quoted from your second most recent post. #93 for mine. On the left side. at the top it shows "Today, 08:54 AM". Just go straight across from there to the right side and you should see it.
 
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FiveHoleFrenzy said:
Upper right corner of the post...#90 for what I quoted from your second most recent post. #93 for mine. On the left side. at the top it shows "Today, 08:54 AM". Just go straight across from there to the right side and you should see it.
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Nope.

I'm on a Dell PC, Intel I5-core processor, Windows 10, Google Chrome; the version of the web site they introduced a month ago or whenever. Date/time are at the upper right, not the left. And no numbers anywhere.

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Adding: This is interesting. If I go into a 'topic' etc., I see the numbers you're talking about. But with the new format, I'm in the habit of clicking on the "Latest Activity" button, which reverses the order in time of the posts. And when you click on 'Latest Activity', the page you get doesn't have the posts numbered.
 
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robertearle said:
adding: This is interesting. If I go into a 'topic' etc., I see the numbers you're talking about. But with the new format, I'm in the habit of clicking on the "Latest Activity" button, which reverses the order in time of the posts. And when you click on 'Latest Activity', the page you get doesn't have the posts numbered.
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Now you know you can click on the "posts" tab if you're in the "Latest Activity" tab if you need to find the post number.
 
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FiveHoleFrenzy said:
Now you know you can click on the "posts" tab if your in the "Latest Activity" tab if you need to find the post number.
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Or... now you know that referring to previous posts by 'number' only can be confusing and lead to miscommunication, depending on how the reader is using the web site.

See what I did there?
 
robertearle said:
Or... now you know that referring to previous posts by 'number' only can be confusing and lead to miscommunication, depending on how the reader is using the web site.

See what I did there?
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Referring to a post number is confusing and leads to miscommunication? OK, ya got me there.
 
UW has released an update to their COVID testing of athletes on campus. The first announcement has two positives in something like 118 athletes (roughly 100 football players and the women's volleyball team, with no word on who had tested positive). This update says a total of seven positives on 428 tests conducted. That does not mean 428 athletes; it might cover that same group of 118 athletes, or some others - more football or maybe some cross-country, etc - who have subsequently arrived on campus.

Meanwhile, overall testing in Dane County has been not good; roughly 100 new cases a day, with over half of the positives in the 20-something age group, and 80% under the age of 40. Local government re-imposing restrictions, such as bars closed back up, stricter limits to restaurants, and starting this week mandatory face masks in stores, etc.
 
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Just drove to and from my brother's lake home in Northern Wisconsin and was amazed how lax things were in terms of people not taking the virus seriously. We saw dozens of small local bars, taverns and restaurants where the parking lots were full, or nearly so, so it was obvious that social distancing couldn't have been possible. And in the few stores we ventured into, like grocery and bait/tackle establishments, maybe half (on average) of the employees were wearing face masks. It was a huge contrast from what we see in Minnesota. at least in the Twin Cities area.
 
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