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Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread
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pokechecker
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Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread
or maybe she has learned which players to pick on, and which to avoid (thinking freshman year and K Robinson)
one of the dirtiest players in the league, and got caught on Saturday, example, earlier at Ridder while she is skating off before a face off, she trips S Potomak coming on the ice with her stick, tough is when you go head to head, dirty and Chickenpoop is when you nail somebody that is vulnerable or not expecting it
or maybe she has learned which players to pick on, and which to avoid (thinking freshman year and K Robinson)
one of the dirtiest players in the league, and got caught on Saturday, example, earlier at Ridder while she is skating off before a face off, she trips S Potomak coming on the ice with her stick, tough is when you go head to head, dirty and Chickenpoop is when you nail somebody that is vulnerable or not expecting it
digitalbooya
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Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread
OT win!
OT win!
robertearle
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Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread
I can't recall a Badger goal that was more pure single player effort that Roque's goal today. Essentially one-on-three plus goalie, she got through the traffic and around the goal for a wrap-around try, and then put the rebound in, all by herself.
There are a number of Badger players over the years that, when you mention their name, a particular goal or sequence ending in a goal comes to my mind. Today's might very well end up being that goal for Abby Roque. It was an outstanding effort.
I can't recall a Badger goal that was more pure single player effort that Roque's goal today. Essentially one-on-three plus goalie, she got through the traffic and around the goal for a wrap-around try, and then put the rebound in, all by herself.
There are a number of Badger players over the years that, when you mention their name, a particular goal or sequence ending in a goal comes to my mind. Today's might very well end up being that goal for Abby Roque. It was an outstanding effort.
Offsides Guy
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It was as if she decided she’d had enough and it was time to put the puck in the **** net. It is fun to watch great players rise to the occasion like that.
Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread
I agree and I asked her about that after the game. She said the play before she should have made a better pass to Sophie Shirley and that after it happened, she felt like she'd ruined what was likely a goal and felt she needed to do something to make up for that.
Admittedly, I was hoping for a bit more from her.
IMO, Pankowski used to get that "eff this, I'm not letting it end this way" attitude - I specifically think of the OT wins against Harvard last season. It's not particularly Abby's MO, but I think we've seen it once or twice from her at other points this season and I agree it's exactly how that play went today.
Abby has a pretty diverse skill set and one we don't talk a lot about is how well she sees the ice. On this play, she saw the defense let up a bit since UW went for the change and they gave her a lot of space, so she took it. She wasn't thinking shot to begin with, but she had a path to the goal, so she took it. And then she saw the rebounds, so she took them. She said Braendli didn't appear to think she'd get that last rebound/take that third shot. Abby saw the space above the blocker and placed the shot.
Edited: I mistakenly said Abby shot instead of passing to Shirley, when it was just a poor shot, so I fixed that.
I agree and I asked her about that after the game. She said the play before she should have made a better pass to Sophie Shirley and that after it happened, she felt like she'd ruined what was likely a goal and felt she needed to do something to make up for that.
Admittedly, I was hoping for a bit more from her.
IMO, Pankowski used to get that "eff this, I'm not letting it end this way" attitude - I specifically think of the OT wins against Harvard last season. It's not particularly Abby's MO, but I think we've seen it once or twice from her at other points this season and I agree it's exactly how that play went today.
Abby has a pretty diverse skill set and one we don't talk a lot about is how well she sees the ice. On this play, she saw the defense let up a bit since UW went for the change and they gave her a lot of space, so she took it. She wasn't thinking shot to begin with, but she had a path to the goal, so she took it. And then she saw the rebounds, so she took them. She said Braendli didn't appear to think she'd get that last rebound/take that third shot. Abby saw the space above the blocker and placed the shot.
Edited: I mistakenly said Abby shot instead of passing to Shirley, when it was just a poor shot, so I fixed that.
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Offsides Guy
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Excellent analysis. So many players keep sliding away from the net after they make that first shot. Coaches would do well to show their teams that goal as a reminder that your shot doesn’t mean the end of your effort or the play. Always stay engaged in the play looking for your own rebound. A relatively simple thing but so few do it.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread
Being at the game it was pairwise nightmare. OSU scores, UW doesn't in the first period. 2nd period, UW get a penalty shot and a 5 on 3 and don't score. Into the 3rd period with no score. I'm thinking they are going to lose 3 in a row, struggle @ UMD, drop to 5th in the pairwise and get shut out in the ncaa's on the road. Then Roque scores and it was hang on to your seat. Get thru OT, at least got a critical point in the tie and not a loss for the pairwise. Curl scoring on the 3 on 3 gets another critical league point. Whew.
That being said, UW had scored only 1 even strength goal in their last 8 or so periods, bad bad bad. The PP is trying to be too perfect. Pass pass shoot. S Shirley and Watts need to burn all their sticks and dye their hair orange to change the scoring juju, they are as snake bit as I have ever seen UW players. It's time to put the superline back together.
Oh no, anything but THAT!
Being at the game it was pairwise nightmare. OSU scores, UW doesn't in the first period. 2nd period, UW get a penalty shot and a 5 on 3 and don't score. Into the 3rd period with no score. I'm thinking they are going to lose 3 in a row, struggle @ UMD, drop to 5th in the pairwise and get shut out in the ncaa's on the road. Then Roque scores and it was hang on to your seat. Get thru OT, at least got a critical point in the tie and not a loss for the pairwise. Curl scoring on the 3 on 3 gets another critical league point. Whew.
That being said, UW had scored only 1 even strength goal in their last 8 or so periods, bad bad bad. The PP is trying to be too perfect. Pass pass shoot. S Shirley and Watts need to burn all their sticks and dye their hair orange to change the scoring juju, they are as snake bit as I have ever seen UW players. It's time to put the superline back together.
Still Eeyore
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Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread
They aren't snakebit so much as they just don't generate quality chances commensurate with their dominant puck possession. Yesterday, a part of the problem was that Brändli was tremendous in goal, but a lot of it is still on Wisconsin. If an opponent plays good defense, and especially if they collapse to their own net, the Badgers don't have good answers. Roque was the only one who looked ready to score, though she was as much a negative as a positive this weekend.
I don't know about reuniting the Roque/Watts/Shirley line. Johnson did that some on Sunday, and it didn't make a whole lot of difference. Other than a couple of plays in the third period on Sunday, when OSU was clearly running out of gas, Watts was a total non-factor this weekend. There were several occasions where she was coming through the neutral zone and I thought she was going to be able to get to the net, but a Buckeye defender caught her. Take out the St. Cloud series, and she has two goals (one an empty netter) and six assists in her last nine games. Wisconsin needs more production than that out of her, but putting her back with Roque seems like an admission that the Badgers are only going to have one line that's a serious threat to score.
Over the second half of the season, it seems Wisconsin can play offense or they can play defense, but they struggle to do both in the same game.
They aren't snakebit so much as they just don't generate quality chances commensurate with their dominant puck possession. Yesterday, a part of the problem was that Brändli was tremendous in goal, but a lot of it is still on Wisconsin. If an opponent plays good defense, and especially if they collapse to their own net, the Badgers don't have good answers. Roque was the only one who looked ready to score, though she was as much a negative as a positive this weekend.
I don't know about reuniting the Roque/Watts/Shirley line. Johnson did that some on Sunday, and it didn't make a whole lot of difference. Other than a couple of plays in the third period on Sunday, when OSU was clearly running out of gas, Watts was a total non-factor this weekend. There were several occasions where she was coming through the neutral zone and I thought she was going to be able to get to the net, but a Buckeye defender caught her. Take out the St. Cloud series, and she has two goals (one an empty netter) and six assists in her last nine games. Wisconsin needs more production than that out of her, but putting her back with Roque seems like an admission that the Badgers are only going to have one line that's a serious threat to score.
Over the second half of the season, it seems Wisconsin can play offense or they can play defense, but they struggle to do both in the same game.
Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread
Couldn't agree more about trying to be too fine on their scoring opportunities. The PP yesterday seemed like they were always trying to get opportunities for the perfect pass and shot combination when plenty of good chances were there. The 5 on 3 was particularly frustrating in that vein.
Still, you can see this is a very high quality team and should cause fear for everyone they would play in the post season.
Couldn't agree more about trying to be too fine on their scoring opportunities. The PP yesterday seemed like they were always trying to get opportunities for the perfect pass and shot combination when plenty of good chances were there. The 5 on 3 was particularly frustrating in that vein.
Still, you can see this is a very high quality team and should cause fear for everyone they would play in the post season.
Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread
I'm not sure there's a line combination he DIDN'T try on Sunday.
I'm not sure there's a line combination he DIDN'T try on Sunday.
robertearle
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Still Eeyore
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Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread
I disagree with this in its entirety. Good chances that the Badgers didn't take weren't there. All of the puck movement didn't produce quality looks at the net. Some of that is great defense by Ohio State, but a lot of it is on Wisconsin.
Look at the numbers. Wisconsin's problem on offense isn't that they aren't taking shots. It's that, of their last 112 shots, only three have gone in, and only one at even strength. What they need is some combination of better shooting and creating better chances, mostly the latter. There's a reason why Roque is scoring a high percentage of the goals lately: she's the only one who consistently drives to the net. Mauermann likes to get in there and mix it up after the whistle is blown, but that doesn't really help you score.
Right now, the Badgers look like they did three years ago, when they just weren't a good offensive team. They aren't especially scary at the moment, though I don't think that anyone else is, either.
I disagree with this in its entirety. Good chances that the Badgers didn't take weren't there. All of the puck movement didn't produce quality looks at the net. Some of that is great defense by Ohio State, but a lot of it is on Wisconsin.
Look at the numbers. Wisconsin's problem on offense isn't that they aren't taking shots. It's that, of their last 112 shots, only three have gone in, and only one at even strength. What they need is some combination of better shooting and creating better chances, mostly the latter. There's a reason why Roque is scoring a high percentage of the goals lately: she's the only one who consistently drives to the net. Mauermann likes to get in there and mix it up after the whistle is blown, but that doesn't really help you score.
Right now, the Badgers look like they did three years ago, when they just weren't a good offensive team. They aren't especially scary at the moment, though I don't think that anyone else is, either.
Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread
The thing was that there were good chances, especially on the power play, but people just weren't looking in the right directions or executing on them when they were there. I was sitting in the 200 level and could see a few opportunities where defensive players were out of position and the Badgers failed to make the passes and plays to punish them for it.
Having said that, Ohio State played VERY well and their goalie stood on her head for most of the game and was incredibly good in goal. Absolutely no disrespect to them was intended with my statement. I wouldn't have been bothered by the result at all if the Buckeyes would have won, as their defensive play would have deserved it. As it is, they did get a point for their efforts and that was definitely deserved.
The thing was that there were good chances, especially on the power play, but people just weren't looking in the right directions or executing on them when they were there. I was sitting in the 200 level and could see a few opportunities where defensive players were out of position and the Badgers failed to make the passes and plays to punish them for it.
Having said that, Ohio State played VERY well and their goalie stood on her head for most of the game and was incredibly good in goal. Absolutely no disrespect to them was intended with my statement. I wouldn't have been bothered by the result at all if the Buckeyes would have won, as their defensive play would have deserved it. As it is, they did get a point for their efforts and that was definitely deserved.
robertearle
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Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread
"...It's that, of their last 112 shots, only three have gone in..."
And prior to that, 16 of 80 went in (in two games).
Randomness. 'Regression to the mean'. Small sample sizes. Etc Etc.
"...It's that, of their last 112 shots, only three have gone in..."
And prior to that, 16 of 80 went in (in two games).
Randomness. 'Regression to the mean'. Small sample sizes. Etc Etc.
Offsides Guy
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Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread
I agree with this. I would add that from just an "eye test" perspective they seem to lack the urgency needed to bury opponents early. I realize MJ is sacrosanct when it comes to criticism but you have to wonder how well the coaches have been addressing this issue as it seems it's been going on for a while. For example, I noticed the same thing in the first period of the recent Mankato debacle. Simply put, the Badgers have way too much talent to not be getting it done in a more impressive manner.
I agree with this. I would add that from just an "eye test" perspective they seem to lack the urgency needed to bury opponents early. I realize MJ is sacrosanct when it comes to criticism but you have to wonder how well the coaches have been addressing this issue as it seems it's been going on for a while. For example, I noticed the same thing in the first period of the recent Mankato debacle. Simply put, the Badgers have way too much talent to not be getting it done in a more impressive manner.
ARM
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Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread
From what I've seen of the national picture, looking in the mirror should cause fear for everyone, with a possible exception of Cornell. Even the Big Red aren't exactly dynamic on offense, so if they should fall behind in NCAAs, oh-oh.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread
I was in the 200's as well and there were quite a few great looks that did not end up connecting either a bad pass, blocked pass, not seen or a decision to shoot instead of pass. There were also chances where they passed and should have shot. I recall SS cutting to the front of the net in the 3rd then passing to the edge. This not like UW teams a few years ago that lacked talent to score like those teams did, this team has plenty of talent, they are just in a slump right now. The question is will they get a chance to break out of it with UMD coming up, then probably a bye. I still say everything has come apart with the superline being broken up. They are 5-3-1 since they were broken up and were 21-1-1 when they were together.
I was in the 200's as well and there were quite a few great looks that did not end up connecting either a bad pass, blocked pass, not seen or a decision to shoot instead of pass. There were also chances where they passed and should have shot. I recall SS cutting to the front of the net in the 3rd then passing to the edge. This not like UW teams a few years ago that lacked talent to score like those teams did, this team has plenty of talent, they are just in a slump right now. The question is will they get a chance to break out of it with UMD coming up, then probably a bye. I still say everything has come apart with the superline being broken up. They are 5-3-1 since they were broken up and were 21-1-1 when they were together.